Do you think homosexuality is genetic or chosen?

[PregnantForTheLastTime]

Yes but...

If you really want to break it down, the fact that they might identify (themselves) as gay is beside the point. We're still talking about someone guessing that they are going to do this. See? My point isn't about these kids. It's about the fact that people are guessing about how they might "identify" later in life. In my opinion, it's just new ways to say the same old things, whatever you feel about it.

Is the statement "I love my dead gay son" one of tolerance? (If you haven't seen Heathers never mind)

I don't expect you to understand what I'm trying to say. I think that because it began as a reaction to what you wrote you feel that I am attacking what you said and I'm not. I accept that the way I see it may not be the way that you see it. I find what passes for tolerance in many people to be less than fully evolved.

You won't find many people more tolerant than I am. Not tolerant. Accepting, open, loving. Tolerant implies you're putting up with something.

Many people who identify as gay say they've always known, I'm saying that's because they've always been. And I'd be surprised if these two kids aren't, and I really hope I am still in their lives as a trusted surrogate "aunt" when that happens, because neither set of parents are going to be very happy with it.

But I don't expect you to understand what I'm trying to say.

How could I possibly have not seen Heathers? Sweetie, I saw it in the theater. Opening weekend. For chrissakes. First of all, the statement about the "dead gay son" was made purely for comic value, as you must realize. And secondly, as a parent I'm more likely to interpret it as a statement of profound regret and sorrow that the father didn't accept his son when he was alive. I strive to understand my kids and help them work to get what they want and need out of life.

God, I wish I could sleep. I think it's time to take another stab at it, don't you?

 

[Flax]

I dunno. If it were so genetic I think we would find it more in nature. Now before you all leap on me with the few example there are, I am fully aware of the same sex penguins, lesbian seagulls, etc. I just don't think I will believe that until homosexually is more evident in everyday, domestic animals.

You should watch animal planet more often.
Homosexuality is present in all mammals, some birds and reptiles.

Prejudice only happens among a certain breed of deer and humans.

 

[JoyDiv007]

I think it's genetics. I know quite a few and they all have said they knew they were since childhood.

 

[Dave]

You won't find many people more tolerant than I am. Not tolerant. Accepting, open, loving. Tolerant implies you're putting up with something.

Exactly. Bingo. it implies that... exactly what you said.

But I don't expect you to understand what I'm trying to say.

I feel you deserve that but not in a mean way. I've actually been tolerant of some of your posts where you say essentially that same thing. "because you are a teenager" or "because you are not a parent" or whatever. So haha.

My mom had this idiot boyfriend that would try to say "when you are older you will agree with me", but guess what? I am older and I still don't agree. AC/DC is still way better than Jimmy Buffet.

How could I possibly have not seen Heathers? Sweetie, I saw it in the theater. Opening weekend. For chrissakes. First of all, the statement about the "dead gay son" was made purely for comic value, as you must realize. And secondly, as a parent I'm more likely to interpret it as a statement of profound regret and sorrow that the father didn't accept his son when he was alive. I strive to understand my kids and help them work to get what they want and need out of life.

God, I wish I could sleep. I think it's time to take another stab at it, don't you?

Yes the Heathers quote was referenced to lighten the mood. You got it.

 

[Flax]

Yeah it's terrible ain't it? Two people falling in love...

To me, i think it's probably something that develops during childhood. I'm not sure but I'm not too interested either, because itjjust happens and it will always happen.


Anyone who thinks it is a choice is an imbecile etc. It's a ludicrious view.

I was being sarcastic... Blasphemy is one of my favorite sports.

 

[Deleted member 6305]

You should watch animal planet more often.
Homosexuality is present in all mammals, some birds and reptiles.

Prejudice only happens among a certain breed of deer and humans.

Oh I know all that. But it doesn't occur at the rate of homosexuality in humans.

And to quote Will Truman, "This is what happens when you watch gay porn and animal planet on Picture in Picture"

 

[Dow Jones]

Oh I know all that. But it doesn't occur at the rate of homosexuality in humans.

That might be because other animals aren't humans. Just a shot in the dark there.

 

[Flax]

Oh I know all that. But it doesn't occur at the rate of homosexuality in humans.

And to quote Will Truman, "This is what happens when you watch gay porn and animal planet on Picture in Picture"

I guess it doesn't matter what the reason is, really. People have asked this question many times in order to classify people in a certain group and probably to also blame gay people for being gay because they wanted to.

Things aren't as simple as gay/bi/straight. Humans are more complicated than that.

Also, this hormone theory, that implies that men turn gay because they might have had a certain dosage of a certain hormone doesn't make sense to me. It seems to me that most gay men are all about masculinity. Nothing to do with wanting to be women. Of course, the gay people you see on TV have to be stereotyped otherwise people wouldn't get it, but I'd think that there are more gays who cops, truckers, construction workers than hairdressers on fire.

 

[Deleted member 6305]

That might be because other animals aren't humans. Just a shot in the dark there.

EXACTLY! We're better with decisions. We'll most of us.

(Not necessarily referring to those that chose to live a homosexual lifestyle)

I guess it doesn't matter what the reason is, really. People have asked this question many times in order to classify people in a certain group and probably to also blame gay people for being gay because they wanted to.

Things aren't as simple as gay/bi/straight. Humans are more complicated than that.

Also, this hormone theory, that implies that men turn gay because they might have had a certain dosage of a certain hormone doesn't make sense to me. It seems to me that most gay men are all about masculinity. Nothing to do with wanting to be women. Of course, the gay people you see on TV have to be stereotyped otherwise people wouldn't get it, but I'd think that there are more gays who cops, truckers, construction workers than hairdressers on fire.

I agree with you completely. Well said.

 

[Sharron Needles]

EXACTLY! We're better with decisions. We'll most of us.

(Not necessarily referring to those that chose to live a homosexual lifestyle)

Wit, what exactly are you trying to imply here? I see you added to your original post... "Choose to live a homosexual lifestyle?" Do you choose to live a Hispanic lifestyle? I don't get it?

 

[IDon'tOweYouAnything23]

I'm not entirely convinced it's genetic, but some have said to me they knew from early childhood that they were gay. I dunno, it probably is genetic, but environmental and lifestyle factors nurse it maybe.

 

[Black_Eyed_Sioux]

We all like talking about gayness in this forum don't we?
Something you'd like to all get off your collective chests?

But in all seriousness, I certainly didn't choose to be gay, I don't find anything sexually attractive about women at all...But again, I certainly didn't choose to feel that way...
Unless I'm a Catholic subconciously fighting the system

 

[Hellie]

You should watch animal planet more often.
Homosexuality is present in all mammals, some birds and reptiles.

Prejudice only happens among a certain breed of deer and humans.

The lion thing is a dominance thing and has nothing to do with sexual pleasure.

 

[chica]

Personally, I'm hoping at least one of my sons is gay, so I get to add another son, instead of losing them both to icky girls. But I'm fairly sure they aren't.

I just thought of two interesting polls to add.

Will one of them be "do you prefer having sons or daughters and why?"

 

[Jane Birkin]

there is some debate among people,from one side to the other if homosexuality is genetic or chosen.

are people taught?
is it genetic?

Do we really need to ask these kind of questions in 2008?

 

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Hi everyone again!!!
Now, this looks an interesting thread....Mind If I put my two penneth worth in ???
I used to work in "Fords" Car Factory, Halewood, UK, and one of the chaps was an "out" Gay man...( VERY brave in those days, and the general 198os attitude to AIDS).
He was often asked about how he "Turned" Gay...he used to say he fancied the baby boy in the next "Cot" at the hospital he was born in....
He was also "Propositioned by "Not Gay at ALL Men" VERY Often to provide Sexual " Services" that their own wives wouldn't....ALWAYS stating that they were not " A queer".....
I don't think it's Nature or Nurture....some of us are just born Lucky!!!
No Fault, No Blame, just the way it goes....
and, speaking as a Gay bloke....why is my home so dirty?? and the curtains so CRAP???...and you wanna see the STATE of Millie-Dawgg!!! ...Tatty is NOT the word....( but she gives me and john total and unconditional love....that'll do....)

And I cannot STAND Judy ferlipping Garland!! ( I was Actually in a Gay bar in Liverpool ONCE, when the DJ played "This Charming Man!!! wahayyy!!!)
Gimme Alice Cooper, AC/DC ( oo-er missus) and Motorhead anyday!!! Plus Mozzer, of course...
thanx for reading/replying/making me welcome here!!!
Cheers!,
Dave.

 

[nugz]

Hi everyone again!!!
Now, this looks an interesting thread....Mind If I put my two penneth worth in ???
I used to work in "Fords" Car Factory, Halewood, UK, and one of the chaps was an "out" Gay man...( VERY brave in those days, and the general 198os attitude to AIDS).
He was often asked about how he "Turned" Gay...he used to say he fancied the baby boy in the next "Cot" at the hospital he was born in....
He was also "Propositioned by "Not Gay at ALL Men" VERY Often to provide Sexual " Services" that their own wives wouldn't....ALWAYS stating that they were not " A queer".....
I don't think it's Nature or Nurture....some of us are just born Lucky!!!
No Fault, No Blame, just the way it goes....
and, speaking as a Gay bloke....why is my home so dirty?? and the curtains so CRAP???...and you wanna see the STATE of Millie-Dawgg!!! ...Tatty is NOT the word....( but she gives me and john total and unconditional love....that'll do....)

And I cannot STAND Judy ferlipping Garland!! ( I was Actually in a Gay bar in Liverpool ONCE, when the DJ played "This Charming Man!!! wahayyy!!!)
Gimme Alice Cooper, AC/DC ( oo-er missus) and Motorhead anyday!!! Plus Mozzer, of course...
thanx for reading/replying/making me welcome here!!!
Cheers!,
Dave.

damn dude, are you on Ritalin???

 

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Cheeky Vimto's actually....with a dash of "Brown" Ale! to lighten the taste!!

 

[chica]

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2006/06/evolution_and_homosexuality.php

"Homosexuality is a byproduct. This is my favorite explanation, because ultimately it's about development. Why do men have nipples? Because women need them. Both men and women have the same set of genes (more or less), and follow very similar developmental pathways, and the nipple represents a developmental constraint or byproduct: mutations that knock out the male nipple might also knock out the female nipple, so the structure is retained in both sexes. Male nipples are a byproduct of a function needed by the other sex.

We might also ask, why do some men love other men? The answer: because women need to love men. (We could also propose the complement, that lesbians exist because men need to love women.) If there are pathways that can predispose an individual to find males sexually attractive, the base structure is present in both men and women, and what we have are additional mechanisms to modulate the expression of the trait in men vs. women. Just as we guys have an echo of a female attribute in our nipples, why not assume that we also bear echoes of female mate preferences in our brains—echoes that can't be expunged without also eliminating women's desire for men (and oh, no, we mustn't have that, I know)?"

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http://www.newscientist.com/article...rheterosexuals-.html?feedId=online-news_rss20

Bisexual men might have their "hyper-heterosexual" female relatives to thank for their orientation.

Previous work has suggested that genes influencing sexual orientation in men also make women more likely to reproduce. Andrea Camperio Ciani and colleagues at the University of Padua, Italy, showed that the female relatives of homosexual men tend to have more children, suggesting that genes on the X chromosome are responsible. Now the team have shown that the same is true for bisexuality.

"It helps to answer a perplexing question - how can there be 'gay genes' given that gay sex doesn't lead to procreation?" says Dean Hamer of the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Maryland, who was not involved in the work. "The answer is remarkably simple: the same gene that causes men to like men also causes women to like men, and as a result to have more children."

 

[HIM]

(i haven't read this thread, 'cause there was a lot of long and complicated-looking posts in it and i noticed that some people were talking about "science" 'n' stuff.)

anyway, i don't really think that homosexuality and heterosexuality are genetic or something that people freely choose. aren't these labels simply a means of categorising people in order to render their behaviour a little more intelligible and predictable? i don't think that anybody is entirely homosexual or heterosexual, despite their protestations to the contrary.