Morrissey: "Current feminism does not help our societies and makes masculinism retaliate" - Culto

I will preface this article with a couple of caveats: firstly, it has gone through translate and secondly, context and details are lacking. It should be noted that the title is part of one question asked and not the main topic - it is a bit misleading. Only a few questions with lots of commentary/background.

In Culto (part of La Tercera), by Andrés del Real (29th July, 2018):

Morrissey: "Current feminism does not help our societies and makes masculinism retaliate"

Click the spoiler to see the full article in Google translated English:
Morrissey: "Current feminism does not help our societies and makes masculinism retaliate"

How does a celebrity adapt to the times? Probably not being Morrissey, who, true to his style and before his return to Chile, shoots against modern feminism, the English press and "the culture of the negation of the left".
Last month, an indeterminate number of English self-styled "former admirers of Morrissey" announced on social networks a party against racism in Manchester, set for the same night that the British artist, his exidolo, would come to the city with the tour promotional of his most recent album, Low in high school. The reason? The statements that the former Smith of The Smiths had made days before, taking pity on the situation of the founder of the movement of extreme right English Defense League, Tommy Robinson, sentenced to 13 months in prison for contempt of court. Coincidence or not, days before the shows, the singer announced the cancellation of his dates in Manchester and all the rest of his European tour, due to "logistical problems".

The episode is added to the increasingly extensive list of polemics starring the soloist, who with the same voice with which for decades has captivated different generations of followers in search of an answer to their torments and depressions, has also got into a series of problems and controversies, for statements against the British monarchy -one of its favorite targets-, multicultural Europe and immigration, and even the #metoo feminist movement, relativizing the denunciations against Harvey Weinstein and Kevin Spacey, among others. His verbal incontinence seems to go against the current tendency of his colleagues, quick to bend to all the causes that drive certain opinion leaders and many of their own followers.

But even the sharpest language at some point knows when to stop, and Steven Patrick Morrissey is no exception: consulted by Worship about what happened in Manchester, the musician opts for silence. It is the only answer that he decides to omit from a questionnaire sent via mail at his request, in which, before launching a series of darts against various causes and modern institutions, he gives praise to the Chilean public.

"It's always great for me to go to Chile. I feel that I am valued there as a serious artist, rather than as mere entertainment for the media,"

says the 59-year-old soloist, once dubbed by the press of his country as "The Pope of Depression", from of the semi-divine cult that generates its sensitive and enlightened voice, which unleashes extreme and conflicting passions. A church that in Chile, despite its history of controversy, the canceled tours and the headaches that suppose for the producers their vegan demands and their particular character -recognized by the former director of the Viña Festival, Álex Hernández, who asked that the Briton "I hope he does not come back" - he still has a respectable legion of faithful, as the six presentations that the artist accumulates in the country prove,

- In recent years, many of his statements to the press have generated controversy, including rejection and even campaigns against him. Do you feel that in these times it is difficult to express a different opinion to the predominant or politically incorrect current? Is it difficult today to be critical of modern life?

- It is difficult in England, where all the written press is controlled by the left, which does not want an open debate or a different opinion. The left is closed minded and works very hard to maintain a culture of denial. If you do not agree with the left, you are massacred in the press for being a racist fanatic, your public is ridiculed and every effort is made to silence you. If you question Islam or multiculturalism, the BBC radio will not reproduce your music because Islam is now a dominant ideology in the United Kingdom. I oppose halal killing [a type of preparation of animal flesh according to Islamic law] as well as I oppose any killing of animals, and that is the reason why the "Loony Left" [term with which the European extreme left is pejoratively called in certain sectors of the United Kingdom] has tried to destroy me. My views are not controversial, but if you question Islam you can be sent to jail without a trial. This is Soviet Britain, it's very real, and it's too big a problem to take over.

- Is feminism a topic that worries or generates a particular opinion? Do you think that musicians and artists in general have the responsibility to express a position on this topic today?

-I discovered feminism when I was 14 years old. By then, it was the answer to everything, because it freed all people, not just women. I read And Jill Came Tumbling After (Judith Stacey), The Female Eunuch (Germaine Greer), Women and Madness(Phyllis Chesler) and they changed my point of view. Modern feminism is not the same because it seems to aspire to "whatever men do," and that seems to be enough. Therefore, it becomes a great success, for example, to have a female football team or a group of girls in a boy scout club. The original goal of feminism was to move towards a higher intellectual plane, but now it only seems to want to occupy masculine positions and receive male aggression. It does not help our societies and, on the contrary, it causes masculinism to retaliate. Female leaders in Germany and the United Kingdom have made a mess of those countries, and this does not help modern feminism either. In all matters what I ask of the people is that they think for themselves. Collect your own material and you will reach your own conclusions. It is easy. Just stop watching the news!

Music does not change the world
The criticisms of the voice of "How soon is now?" To the media are not new and have increased in the last time. Answering through his email seems to be the way he chose to communicate publicly, after he himself announced, last December during a concert in Germany, his decision to stop giving interviews to the written press, after accusing the newspaper Der Spiegel twisted his words in an interview in which, among other things, he would have indicated that the actor Kevin Spacey has been "unnecessarily attacked" after accusations of sexual abuse against him, and even that he would kill the president of the United States, Donald Trump, if the opportunity were given.

But it has been the media in his country that have responded the hardest to the soloist. His eleventh solo album, Low in high school(2017), perhaps the most overtly political work of his discography, was warmly received by the specialized critics. And while an opinion column in The Guardian newspaper a few weeks ago called simply to "stop listening" to Morrissey's music, NME magazine this month published the story of Johnny Turner, a guy who imitates the singer in a tribute band to The Smiths, who confessed that these days people stop him in the street and contact him on social networks to insult him and threaten him if he supports the controversial sayings of his idol. If before being a fan of "Moz" was tantamount to declaring a misfit, today, in a time of greater sensitivity to certain causes postponed and in which many young people have chosen to "veto" their social networks to celebrities who do not share their opinions ,

- In this era of musical consumption via streaming, social networks and post-truth, do you think that music, the lyrics of a song, can change the world? Or at least make it a little better?

-We are very closed and I think we resort to music to discover who or what we are. Music tells us how to escape from certain things. It does not change the world, because songs are like art arrows and can not really compete with the silly spectacle of war, money and political violence ... which is what makes the world go round. The songs mitigate the trauma of ... just being alive.

- In 2019 it will turn 60 years old. Is it something that bothers you or that you receive with peace of mind? Do you see yourself singing on stage and publishing albums for many more years?

-I feel somewhat insensitive with respect to age. Everything happens so fast that it is difficult to even know what is really happening. As long as I have a good pulse, I know that I will have the initiative to sing. I am not a chosen one, I have never been promoted to be fashionable or I am where I am because of my appearance, therefore, I have not moved away from the original need to sing. You must continue as if everyone is listening to you ... Even if they are not!

Article link:
http://culto.latercera.com/2018/07/...sociedades-al-masculinismo-tomar-represalias/

Article source:

Anyone from Chile in the know?
Regards,
FWD.

 
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Thewlis

Junior Member
Anybody who can't grasp that modern feminism is a direct result of the failure of the feminist movements of the past is missing something. Sure a woman can vote. But when one of the candidates wants to grab em by the pussy, or dictate what they can and cannot do with their bodies, is it progress? Any woman can get into acting, but when they get blackballed in the industry because they aren't willing to put out for the producer, is that progress? Any woman can get any job a man can, but when they get paid 80% of what a man does for the same job, is that progress?

People decrying "modern" feminism would do well to realize that women have every right to be pissed off right now. Talk is cheap. Direct action is not. Standing up and saying this is wrong, and it needs to stop NOW isn't a confusing stance, or one that deserves mockery. Men love to call women triggered, or hysterical, for demanding equal rights, lives and workplaces devoid of discrimination and sexual harassment and subjugation, when the men themselves are the ones triggered, because the thought of women as actual equals, in day to day life instead of some P.C. lip service bullshit fashion terrifies them. The thought that the women don't need them to nursemaid them through life like the delicate daisies men take them to be, terrifies them. Because men crave power and control above all else.

The future is there for the taking. Men destroy life. Women have the power to create it.
People have the power, as Patti Smith once beautifully sang, men and women!
 

Aubrey McFate

Lonely in Barcelona
Utter nonsense. Why else would he talk about not hearing English on the streets of Kensington - language being religious, and all. Why else would he denigrate the language of Sadiq Khan - the language? Why would he call Hitler Left wing, and Farage a liberal educator? Are you seeing the link here? Nothing to do with religion.
Language is cultural, obviously. All of these comments are merely of a piece with, "it feels like the Muslims are taking over."
 

Charlie Cheswick

Well-Known Member
Well, everything is dollars down the drain, if that's how you want to look at it. If his primary motivation was money, he wouldn't have said anything negative about anyone at all. He could've kept his trap shut and kept all those tour dates, and sung to all the white, middle-aged, Guardian-reading moms and dads.
Well it's clear that his belief system is now the same as Trump's. Exactly. Except for Mexicans. Have Mexicans got anything special to offer Morrissey other than $$$'s?
 

Aubrey McFate

Lonely in Barcelona
Okay. I don't think he would've made those comments if he'd heard people speaking Spanish in Kensington. Let's put it that way.
 

Uncleskinny

It's all good
Subscriber
Well it's clear that his belief system is now the same as Trump's. Exactly. Except for Mexicans. Have Mexicans got anything special to offer Morrissey other than $$$'s?
This is correct. As I've said countless times, he'll tour where folk haven't heard of Tommy Robinson, Anne Marie Waters etc. He called the Chinese a sub-species but was fine and dandy with going to Hong Kong to take their concert money. He is a money-grabbing hypocrite and racist. And that is the stone-cold truth, whether anyone here likes it or not.
 
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Anonymous

Guest
It would have to be. He's certainly not supporting Trump, who wants to keep out all the brown-skinned Mexicans.
No, he was talking about Pakistanis smelling funny in his pen pals letters. His platform doesn't differ from Trump. He's already established that on numerous occassions.

He's always had a thing about foreigners even in his earliest days. Whether it was fantasizing about the "tube" collapsing, or pandering to skinheads, his bigotry has been all encompassing since the beginning.

He's just not relevant, so he has nothing to lose at this point, and chooses to speak like an out of touch pensioner.

If Morrissey was alive today he would be carpet bombing the comments sections in support of alt right Youtubers.

You see this mindset in men who never really grew up. Insecurity, and personal resentment color their world view. It's a kind of arrested development. Life is black, and white, and the world revolves around them. No one can match their "rationality," and they're not used to having other points of views as part of the conversation.

As I've said before, in my more cynical moments I believe the the source of this resentment is the death of rock music.

They have no cultural touchstone to launch from now, and there's no cultural touchstone on the horizon.

If it's not all about them, then it's not about them at all. It's the privilege they've held from the beginning, and now it's going away, so they panic, and act like fools.
 

g23

Always crashing in the same car
People have the power, as Patti Smith once beautifully sang, men and women!
I know it's sad that your boy will have a black mark next to his name in the history books, but he brought it upon himself. As each generation ages, their prejudices die a little more in the world that thinks to question them. It's a shame that Morrissey turned out this way. Maybe it will come out that he has one of those brain tumors that turns you into an asshole, and he will be absolved. Just wanted to leave you with a kernel of hope in these trying times.
 
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katiamos

Guest
He's not against masculinity. He just prefers to ingest it in a more "Tom of Finland" kind of way.
Anyway from autobiography
(sorry not able to make the text smaller don't see the option)
“I understand feminism to be a social savior because it liberates everyone without exclusion, whereas masculinism damns itself by measuring a man's health by the amount of sexual gratification he receives.”
 

g23

Always crashing in the same car
Anyway from autobiography
(sorry not able to make the text smaller don't see the option)
“I understand feminism to be a social savior because it liberates everyone without exclusion, whereas masculinism damns itself by measuring a man's health by the amount of sexual gratification he receives.”
He said a lot of stuff in that overly florid and verbose birdcage liner.
 
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Anonymous

Guest
I'm just remembering the image of Morrissey sitting in front of the camera after the Spacey comments, with a feminist book in the background as a kind of carefully placed marketing that was somehow supposed to defuse his comments.

Let's not forget that this man stated that a fourteen year old boy knew what he was getting into when he entered an adults room. Yeah, skipping fatherhood was the right decision.

Like Trump, he has said so many crazy things that people tend to forget exactly how bad particular statements were.

When someone makes that kind of statement, it really makes you wonder what's in their closet.
 

Charlie Cheswick

Well-Known Member
Just where I always have been. But please elaborate, if you make blunt statements you may as well elaborate.
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-...umanity-comments-latest-updates-a8078831.html
He hates Trump as much as Thatcher back in the day. Why would you think otherwise?
He hates Trump cause he wants to appeal to Mexicans. Aubrey managed to find the steaks thing, so that's steaks and Mexicans that don't correlate. Outside of that, the same shit comes out of both of them. Not grabbing women by the pussy obviously. That's three things.
 
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Anonymous

Guest
He’s not going to cancel South-America.
The last Tour was officially postponed.
And new dates will be added in the next few weeks.
Do you mean new U.K/Europe dates to be announced for October?
 

Aubrey McFate

Lonely in Barcelona
Why do you suppose he carefully calibrates his positions to appeal to Mexicans, but doesn't care an iota if he pisses off half or more of his fanbase in England? It doesn't add up, if you're alleging a monetary motive.
 

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