Morrissey: "Current feminism does not help our societies and makes masculinism retaliate" - Culto

I will preface this article with a couple of caveats: firstly, it has gone through translate and secondly, context and details are lacking. It should be noted that the title is part of one question asked and not the main topic - it is a bit misleading. Only a few questions with lots of commentary/background.

In Culto (part of La Tercera), by Andrés del Real (29th July, 2018):

Morrissey: "Current feminism does not help our societies and makes masculinism retaliate"

Click the spoiler to see the full article in Google translated English:
Morrissey: "Current feminism does not help our societies and makes masculinism retaliate"

How does a celebrity adapt to the times? Probably not being Morrissey, who, true to his style and before his return to Chile, shoots against modern feminism, the English press and "the culture of the negation of the left".
Last month, an indeterminate number of English self-styled "former admirers of Morrissey" announced on social networks a party against racism in Manchester, set for the same night that the British artist, his exidolo, would come to the city with the tour promotional of his most recent album, Low in high school. The reason? The statements that the former Smith of The Smiths had made days before, taking pity on the situation of the founder of the movement of extreme right English Defense League, Tommy Robinson, sentenced to 13 months in prison for contempt of court. Coincidence or not, days before the shows, the singer announced the cancellation of his dates in Manchester and all the rest of his European tour, due to "logistical problems".

The episode is added to the increasingly extensive list of polemics starring the soloist, who with the same voice with which for decades has captivated different generations of followers in search of an answer to their torments and depressions, has also got into a series of problems and controversies, for statements against the British monarchy -one of its favorite targets-, multicultural Europe and immigration, and even the #metoo feminist movement, relativizing the denunciations against Harvey Weinstein and Kevin Spacey, among others. His verbal incontinence seems to go against the current tendency of his colleagues, quick to bend to all the causes that drive certain opinion leaders and many of their own followers.

But even the sharpest language at some point knows when to stop, and Steven Patrick Morrissey is no exception: consulted by Worship about what happened in Manchester, the musician opts for silence. It is the only answer that he decides to omit from a questionnaire sent via mail at his request, in which, before launching a series of darts against various causes and modern institutions, he gives praise to the Chilean public.

"It's always great for me to go to Chile. I feel that I am valued there as a serious artist, rather than as mere entertainment for the media,"

says the 59-year-old soloist, once dubbed by the press of his country as "The Pope of Depression", from of the semi-divine cult that generates its sensitive and enlightened voice, which unleashes extreme and conflicting passions. A church that in Chile, despite its history of controversy, the canceled tours and the headaches that suppose for the producers their vegan demands and their particular character -recognized by the former director of the Viña Festival, Álex Hernández, who asked that the Briton "I hope he does not come back" - he still has a respectable legion of faithful, as the six presentations that the artist accumulates in the country prove,

- In recent years, many of his statements to the press have generated controversy, including rejection and even campaigns against him. Do you feel that in these times it is difficult to express a different opinion to the predominant or politically incorrect current? Is it difficult today to be critical of modern life?

- It is difficult in England, where all the written press is controlled by the left, which does not want an open debate or a different opinion. The left is closed minded and works very hard to maintain a culture of denial. If you do not agree with the left, you are massacred in the press for being a racist fanatic, your public is ridiculed and every effort is made to silence you. If you question Islam or multiculturalism, the BBC radio will not reproduce your music because Islam is now a dominant ideology in the United Kingdom. I oppose halal killing [a type of preparation of animal flesh according to Islamic law] as well as I oppose any killing of animals, and that is the reason why the "Loony Left" [term with which the European extreme left is pejoratively called in certain sectors of the United Kingdom] has tried to destroy me. My views are not controversial, but if you question Islam you can be sent to jail without a trial. This is Soviet Britain, it's very real, and it's too big a problem to take over.

- Is feminism a topic that worries or generates a particular opinion? Do you think that musicians and artists in general have the responsibility to express a position on this topic today?

-I discovered feminism when I was 14 years old. By then, it was the answer to everything, because it freed all people, not just women. I read And Jill Came Tumbling After (Judith Stacey), The Female Eunuch (Germaine Greer), Women and Madness(Phyllis Chesler) and they changed my point of view. Modern feminism is not the same because it seems to aspire to "whatever men do," and that seems to be enough. Therefore, it becomes a great success, for example, to have a female football team or a group of girls in a boy scout club. The original goal of feminism was to move towards a higher intellectual plane, but now it only seems to want to occupy masculine positions and receive male aggression. It does not help our societies and, on the contrary, it causes masculinism to retaliate. Female leaders in Germany and the United Kingdom have made a mess of those countries, and this does not help modern feminism either. In all matters what I ask of the people is that they think for themselves. Collect your own material and you will reach your own conclusions. It is easy. Just stop watching the news!

Music does not change the world
The criticisms of the voice of "How soon is now?" To the media are not new and have increased in the last time. Answering through his email seems to be the way he chose to communicate publicly, after he himself announced, last December during a concert in Germany, his decision to stop giving interviews to the written press, after accusing the newspaper Der Spiegel twisted his words in an interview in which, among other things, he would have indicated that the actor Kevin Spacey has been "unnecessarily attacked" after accusations of sexual abuse against him, and even that he would kill the president of the United States, Donald Trump, if the opportunity were given.

But it has been the media in his country that have responded the hardest to the soloist. His eleventh solo album, Low in high school(2017), perhaps the most overtly political work of his discography, was warmly received by the specialized critics. And while an opinion column in The Guardian newspaper a few weeks ago called simply to "stop listening" to Morrissey's music, NME magazine this month published the story of Johnny Turner, a guy who imitates the singer in a tribute band to The Smiths, who confessed that these days people stop him in the street and contact him on social networks to insult him and threaten him if he supports the controversial sayings of his idol. If before being a fan of "Moz" was tantamount to declaring a misfit, today, in a time of greater sensitivity to certain causes postponed and in which many young people have chosen to "veto" their social networks to celebrities who do not share their opinions ,

- In this era of musical consumption via streaming, social networks and post-truth, do you think that music, the lyrics of a song, can change the world? Or at least make it a little better?

-We are very closed and I think we resort to music to discover who or what we are. Music tells us how to escape from certain things. It does not change the world, because songs are like art arrows and can not really compete with the silly spectacle of war, money and political violence ... which is what makes the world go round. The songs mitigate the trauma of ... just being alive.

- In 2019 it will turn 60 years old. Is it something that bothers you or that you receive with peace of mind? Do you see yourself singing on stage and publishing albums for many more years?

-I feel somewhat insensitive with respect to age. Everything happens so fast that it is difficult to even know what is really happening. As long as I have a good pulse, I know that I will have the initiative to sing. I am not a chosen one, I have never been promoted to be fashionable or I am where I am because of my appearance, therefore, I have not moved away from the original need to sing. You must continue as if everyone is listening to you ... Even if they are not!

Article link:
http://culto.latercera.com/2018/07/...sociedades-al-masculinismo-tomar-represalias/

Article source:

Anyone from Chile in the know?
Regards,
FWD.

 
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SweetnTenderYorkshireman

Well-Known Member
Nothing too controversial here i dont think, avoiding the headline and reading the full excerpt he tells how when he was young he was fascinated by feminism and notes the impactful books he read on the subject.
He takes issue with the hyper sensitive ‘modern feminism’ which he feels only serves a purpose to act as childish as men, which is not an uncommon thing to say.

But pissed off he ignored the cancellation question, he should really just apologise and say “its out of my hands unfortunately” we would know its bollocks, but it would be better than nothing.
 

Charlie Cheswick

Well-Known Member
You must be picking up on some serious nuances in his language. I can, however, imagine him reading Douglas Murray or (obviously) listening to Anne-Marie Waters.
I can't be bothered to go through his interviews again but his language isn't nuanced, it's the SAME. Anne Marie Waters, there's another one. Infowars. Any others? All shitbags eating out of the same trough.
 

clem

magical thinking gets us by
I don't want to fight with anyone (and I've only posted once here before please be gentle) but didn't he say he would never do a print interview again? Since then I've been skeptical of pretty much everything that's come up in the media but I don't want to be ignorant if he's actually saying this stuff.
 

Aubrey McFate

Lonely in Barcelona
I've listened to some podcasts with Anne Marie Waters. She is certainly focused like a laser on Islam. I didn't hear any racism or even deep conservatism: she's concerned about Islam when it comes to gay rights and women's rights. Whereas those are the things that your Breitbart-reading American actually has more or less in common with Islam.
 
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g23

Always crashing in the same car
Most women are probably modern feminists. Most women probably aren't into having a man sign a consent form before sex or that if a woman has a gin and tonic and then has sex then she's been raped. It's pretty easy to filter out the loonies.
The modern feminists I know are pretty well grounded, intelligent, driven women who have grown up watching their relatives settle for less, and accept the unacceptable, and simply refuse to. They aren't hairy-legged pussy hat wearing crazies who start screaming at restaurant servers for asking "how are you guys doing?"
 

Aubrey McFate

Lonely in Barcelona
I will concede that Morrissey and Trump probably overlap a lot on Israel. But that's something where they're actually both out of step with the alt-right. The alt-right has a pronounced tinge of anti-Semitism.
 
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Anonymous

Guest
So, it's not just anti-immigrant, and anti-European sentiment after all.

He's already softened his ant-royalty stance that has helped define his career.

What's next, an anti-gay stance highlighting how its holding back the humansexual movement?

One thing's for sure, he's not done erasing himself.
 

Uncleskinny

It's all good
Subscriber
I've listened to some podcasts with Anne Marie Waters. She is certainly focused like a laser on Islam. I didn't hear any racism or even deep conservatism: she's concerned about Islam when it comes to gay rights and women's rights. Whereas those are the things that your Breitbart-reading American actually has more or less in common with Islam.
Well, yes, I mean, you get into the KKK for the comfy clothing, not the ethics
 
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Anonymous

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I've listened to some podcasts with Anne Marie Waters. She is certainly focused like a laser on Islam. I didn't hear any racism or even deep conservatism: she's concerned about Islam when it comes to gay rights and women's rights. Whereas those are the things that your Breitbart-reading American actually has more or less in common with Islam.
She should be primarily concerned about that bigotry among her own allies, and less concerned about the attitudes of foreigners. She doesn't get a vote with them.

Priorities.
 
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Anonymous

Guest
I don't want to fight with anyone (and I've only posted once here before please be gentle) but didn't he say he would never do a print interview again? Since then I've been skeptical of pretty much everything that's come up in the media but I don't want to be ignorant if he's actually saying this stuff.
Oh, for the love of God!

Bomb us. Please.
 

Oh my god. it's Robby!

spontaneously luminescent
Gonna give a pass on this one since I’ve heard at least 3 women I personally know say similar things. I don’t feel I really agree, but who am I to argue with women bout this issue, I’m just a man...
 

Oh my god. it's Robby!

spontaneously luminescent
Just saying, according to the women I know in my personal life, there is a virulent strain in modern feminism that frankly they seem to despise
However, yes, I realize that here in the USA, “anti feminism” often equates to taking away a women’s right to choose.
& my usually come back on this issue is:
“Bet you’ll be a feminist when they overturn roe v Wade”
 

Aubrey McFate

Lonely in Barcelona
Indeed:

Bannon bragged in 2016 that his site was “the platform for the alt-right,” the loose nationalist movement coined by white supremacist Richard Spencer whose members frequently espoused racist and anti-Semitic sentiments. Former tech reporter Milo Yiannopoulos, who has Jewish ancestry, infamously co-wrote an “guide to the alt-right” explaining and justifying the movement’s racism as little more than shock humor.

An investigation by BuzzFeed News exposed how Yiannopoulos and Bannon worked together to promote the alt-right, sometimes in conjunction with known white supremacists. Frequent contributors to Breitbart, such as Jack Hadfield and Paul Nehlen, were later discovered to have made many anti-Semitic statements, and reporting by the Forward determined that Bannon’s frequent Breitbart contributor and White House colleague Sebastian Gorka had longstanding ties with Nazi-allied groups in Hungary.
 
V

Vicar in a mankini

Guest
Since when does Morrissey support AS Monaco, I always thought he hated football?
 

Oh my god. it's Robby!

spontaneously luminescent
Also, it prolly doesn’t hurt that all of them work in industries where they don’t seem to think there is a “glass ceiling” I’ve tried to argue otherwise, but like I said.
They’d know better than me and also, on certain level?
I think they just hate the idea of being “victims” of some kind
 

g23

Always crashing in the same car
Just saying, according to the women I know in my personal life, there is a virulent strain in modern feminism that frankly they seem to despise
However, yes, I realize that here in the USA, “anti feminism” often equates to taking away a women’s right to choose.
& my usually come back on this issue is:
“Bet you’ll be a feminist when they overturn roe v Wade”
There are stupid people who draw attention away from the real issues in every movement. If you scream "DID YOU JUST ASSUME MY GENDER???" at me if I say "Pardon me, ma'am." I'll write you off as a fuckwit. They exist. I live in Oregon, man. I know they exist! :lbf: But it's like the idiot patchouli stinking potheads that used to canvass for legalization here. You don't send a clown to do a job that requires the person doing it be taken seriously.
 

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