Grim O'Grady
Banned
If you're that bothered stop going. Jesus, it's that simple.
are you saying SS is the new messiah? When did she get the upgrade?
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Grim
If you're that bothered stop going. Jesus, it's that simple.
Although saying that, I have sympathy for this sister steve character - I know very well from my times at university (in Huddersfield ironically) that you can't talk with some smokers about the possibility of them not smoking. I've known some proper nicotine addicts. For some reason logic doesnt work. I WILL be attending this July - because a smoke free S&G will be a far better place and I am hoping to see this virtual scrap infest itself into real-life. Just for some entertainment.
And have a read through your post again and think again what the meaning of 'patronising' is, my friend.
Who is the 'inner circle'? You, Mike, Phill and Ben? I'd rather be in the outer circle if so thank you.
Remember Deano dearest you are only two years my senior even though you act about ten years older. As for me forcing myself on you..that's really laughable!
Who is the 'inner circle'? You, Mike, Phill and Ben? I'd rather be in the outer circle if so thank you.
Pot, Kettle, have you met?
The only post that has made sense is that of 'Sour Grapes' and I don't think your reply to their post was very successful, you didn't really answer anything he said just used long words and sentences to make it look like you had. Maybe my attempt at conveying what I felt wasn't as successful, maybe as it is, as so many like to point out, I am immature and childish.
I don't know why Paul has been banned again just for going against what 'S&G' was saying, which I found quite refreshing seen as though every one else just bums him.The only reason Paul's post makes sense to you is that its the only one that agrees withs you. And the only reason he's agreeing with you is to try and poach as many S&G customers as possible for his own night- despite him supposedly setting the night up to complement the S&G night and not compete with it. Paul's banning from this forum has absolutely nothing to do with this topic but is down to his past behaviour on here. Which makes a mockery of his attacks on the attitude of the S&G poster and his 'holier-than-thou' persona. And telling people they 'bum' someone if they agree with them isn't helping your defence of the accusation of you being immature and childish.Yourself and Paul need to grow up a little.
The smoking ban is UK wide so just accept it. Non-smokers have had to put up with inhaling your disgusting fumes for years, not to mention waking up in the morning with our clothes reeking of smoke. If you want to carry on killing yourself you're still free to do it before and after the S&G night.
The S&G has provided a special night for Smiths and Moz fans for years and both yourself and Paul have enjoyed yourself many, many times there. Therefore, I think its a bit sad that you're now attacking someone who has provided something that nobody else in Manchester would previously consider doing.
Your boycotting of the S&G night is harming no one but yourselves. Its doesn't affect the S&G and we all know both you and Paul would have been gutted at missing last Friday. SisterSteve - you need to just kiss and make up with Andy at the S&G as you both know its just a squabble that has got out of hand. I'm sure S&G would be happy to see you on the 6th July. Paul - you're coming across a pretty pathetic individual. Which is a shame because in person you appear to be a really nice guy.
Steph never was in the inner circle, despite trying to tongue everything that moved within the inner sanctum. Unfortunately, she caught me off guard three times, and Mike twice. She will never be in this prestigious cult, but can happily create her own down Maladjusted.
God is this still going on? It's so boring.
This for me isn't even about smoking anymore, if someone had politely informed me that there was nothing they could do about it and I'd have to refrain from smoking, then I could probably just about live with that.
It's all about the attitude of 'S&G' and although he says that it is impossible to convey tone on the internet, I'm pretty sure what his tone is, there's no other way he could mean what he says.
The only post that has made sense is that of 'Sour Grapes' and I don't think your reply to their post was very successful, you didn't really answer anything he said just used long words and sentences to make it look like you had.
Maybe my attempt at conveying what I felt wasn't as successful, maybe as it is, as so many like to point out, I am immature and childish.
There really is no point in arguing with you because you just come out with the same things over and over
mainly picking up on me calling you a sneering wanker and using phrases such as 'are you having a tin bath', as if they were the main points of my argument
of course all a ploy to make me look stupid. Yes, I may have insulted you by calling you a sneering wanker but how many times have you indirectly insulted me and more so my best friend?
I don't know why Paul has been banned again just for going against what 'S&G' was saying, which I found quite refreshing seen as though every one else just bums him.
At least Paul knows how to look after his customers and I know that I will always be welcomed and valued at 'Maladjusted'. I know you will always get full capacity at The Star and Garter so you don't really need to be nice to your customers, but come on..it takes more muscles to frown than smile!
That is all for now.
Interesting - how do you know "sour grapes" is male? I'm sure a woman could have written something as long worded and long sentenced as "sour grapes" did. Even though it was essentially just a plug for Maladjusted - a night which, Sister Steve, I am led to believe you reported as being "not a patch on the Star&Garter night".
I can only say that myself and Paul have discussed this site numerous times in the past, mostly after he had a fight in the Star&Garter with someone over some name-calling on this very Message Board (I am not joking - these were two grown men).
The only reason Paul's post makes sense to you is that its the only one that agrees withs you.
And the only reason he's agreeing with you is to try and poach as many S&G customers as possible for his own night- despite him supposedly setting the night up to complement the S&G night and not compete with it.
Paul's banning from this forum has absolutely nothing to do with this topic but is down to his past behaviour on here. Which makes a mockery of his attacks on the attitude of the S&G poster and his 'holier-than-thou' persona.
And telling people they 'bum' someone if they agree with them isn't helping your defence of the accusation of you being immature and childish.Yourself and Paul need to grow up a little.
The smoking ban is UK wide so just accept it. Non-smokers have had to put up with inhaling your disgusting fumes for years, not to mention waking up in the morning with our clothes reeking of smoke. If you want to carry on killing yourself you're still free to do it before and after the S&G night.
The S&G has provided a special night for Smiths and Moz fans for years and both yourself and Paul have enjoyed yourself many, many times there. Therefore, I think its a bit sad that you're now attacking someone who has provided something that nobody else in Manchester would previously consider doing.
Your boycotting of the S&G night is harming no one but yourselves. Its doesn't affect the S&G and we all know both you and Paul would have been gutted at missing last Friday. SisterSteve - you need to just kiss and make up with Andy at the S&G as you both know its just a squabble that has got out of hand. I'm sure S&G would be happy to see you on the 6th July.
Paul - you're coming across a pretty pathetic individual. Which is a shame because in person you appear to be a really nice guy.
Any mention of 'Maladjusted' was tagged on the end of my post, which was tagged on the end of an "out of date" thread, or dead thread if you prefer (or so I thought, as did you yourself),
and was made in context, and not designed to "plug" the event, as, I'm sure, you're reporting of a remark someone may or may not have overheard couldn't be construed as a childish attempt to belittle 'Maladjusted' in favour of "the other place".
You may be surprised to learn that the breadth of my ambitions for 'Maladjusted' stretches way beyond being mentioned in the 160th post on a dead thread on the SoLow site.
S&G
"I can only say that myself and Paul have discussed this site numerous times in the past, mostly after he had a fight in the Star&Garter with someone over some name-calling on this very Message Board (I am not joking - these were two grown men)."
No, I had a fight with someone who was shouting in my face and threatening me IN YOUR PUB, which no one did anything about, even though it was in full view, and earshot, of the doorstaff, of which you were one, so, being a "grown man", I took exception to this, which isn't so peculiar I don't think.
So please, kindly refrain from making slanderous remarks about me, or even mentioning me at all, on this website.
Rubbish. After a bit of shouting along the lines of "you/me/Morrissey-Solo/names/how dare you" Paul began to have a fight with Hugh and approximately one half hearted punch was thrown before they were separated and Paul left the building. Hugh was kept in the building because he was afraid Paul was outside waiting for him. I've discussed with Paul and Hugh since the incident took place and both have apologise and accepted how utterly stupid their behaviour was.
If you'd care to click on the link below you'll see exactly how Paul and Hugh "explained" themselves via the old Star&Garter message board.
http://www.starandgarter.co.uk/star2/board/message.asp?TopicID=1057&bandID=2
I sent you an email some days ago, which you haven't responded to, but which contained everything I had to say to you.
Now, if you have no response, which is the response I'd prefer to be frank, then all well and good, but otherwise I'd prefer it if you behaved like a civilised adult and addressed me directly via email, rather than airing your dirty linen on a public forum, which really is most unbecoming.
If I'd received an email then I would have responded. And I've behaved like nothing more than a civilised adult, unlike some people who post messages which refer to me as sneering wanker, arsehole or just plain "it" (I believe that was one of yours) which, to coin a phrase, is most unbecoming of a normally polite and decent fellow who, as he himself as agreed in person, tends to get a bit too easily wound up via the Internet.
As for dirty linen - I have none, have you? Only the zzzzz.....smoking ban.....zzzz......and the policy....zzzzz......of the queue.........zzzzzz.......is just a matter of fact.....*thud*
If you read back over what you wrote, you'll find it quite clear that naming the venue and night it was on can and would be construed as a plug in anyone's book.
Yes, three years. Paul told me that at the door - "people have talked about another Morrissey Smiths Disco for three years and never done a thing about it so I decided to" is exactly what he said. He then continued - "I'm not cashing in on the night, but I just think there should be more than one of these (Morrissey Smiths Disco) nights a month". Of course failing quite spectacularly to see the contradiction he had made.
He also confessed "I'll admit I'm a Morrissey saddo who only goes out to Morrissey related nights, but once a month isn't enough" and how "Saddo and Maladjusted could mean the same thing". We had a laugh about it all actually. He shook my hand and went back in for a dance when some more customers arrived and he shook my hand when he left, as he usually does.
Rubbish. After a bit of shouting along the lines of "you/me/Morrissey-Solo/names/how dare you" Paul began to have a fight with Hugh and approximately one half hearted punch was thrown before they were separated and Paul left the building. Hugh was kept in the building because he was afraid Paul was outside waiting for him. I've discussed with Paul and Hugh since the incident took place and both have apologise and accepted how utterly stupid their behaviour was.
If I'd received an email then I would have responded. And I've behaved like nothing more than a civilised adult, unlike some people who post messages which refer to me as sneering wanker, arsehole or just plain "it" (I believe that was one of yours) which, to coin a phrase, is most unbecoming of a normally polite and decent fellow who, as he himself as agreed in person, tends to get a bit too easily wound up via the Internet.
If you count the wry afterthought in brackets at the end of my post(which I remember without looking anything up) where I mentioned the date of the next event, that was just me poking fun at the person who made the post I objected to, which you obviously DO count, then fair enough, it's a fair cop guv.
OK, I never realised you were recording everything I said with the intention of broadcasting it over the internet, but each to their own. So where's the contradiction? I started the night to give myself and other kindred spirits somewhere to go while we were waiting for the next S&G Smiths night, and that was the motivating factor, so if you'd kindly keep your grubby speculations to yourself regarding my motives, I'd appreciate it.
I think the word you're looking for is "joked', rather than "confessed". You said "saddo" and maladjusted could mean the same thing, I just laughed along benevolently.
Why do you have to name names? That's not particularly charitable is it.
Hugh and I have indeed settled our differences since then, but he will agree that what I said was true. yes, the "fight" was broken up almost immediately, wherupon I didn't simply leave, I was asked to leave, which I accepted, seeing as I had thrown the first punch, albeit under extreme provocation.
It really is the act of a petty and vindictive nature to rake all this up.
Well you were emailed. Check the 'enquiries@star&garter' account, which is the same account from which you have emailed me in the past.
And once again you are attempting to misrepresent me by saying I referred to you as "it". It's clear that what I meant was S&G=they/them/he/it, meaning the S&G personnel collectively, you personally, or "it" as a building or an entity in itself.
And getting "wound up by the internet" is simply shorthand which means that I find rude, spiteful, deceitful and vindictive people who attack me online, quite irritating, as I'm sure most rational people would.
Oh and as for "cashing in on your success", which is what you accused me of doing when you found out about 'Maladjusted'. As I said at the time, I'm "cashing in" on Morrissey's popularity if anything. It would have never occured to me to say "I'm not cashing in on th (S&G) night", they were your words not mine. It's a funny thing, selective memory, don't you think?
Now I think it would be more dignified all round to continue this via email, if indeed there's anything left to say.
Inner sanctum eh. With all due respect mate, i had my first S&G night on Friday, and it was easy to see who you were. Standing like the king of the mountain, desperate to be the centre of attention. Then the pictures went up on here and confirmed that the arrogance was you.
This row is pathetic. Smokers want to smoke. Non-smokers don't care. A venue has to uphold the law, but should have some sympathy for its clients...ALL of them.
This isn't even about the smoking ban - it's just an excuse for a few pathetic people to start a row, try and sound witty, and inflate their own ego. the sad thing is, i can guaratee that anyone who has read this post and never been to the Smiths/Moz night, will probably not want to go now. I'm not planning a return visit. But, as long as the inner sanctum isn't affected, all is well.......