Is it "green" for Morrissey to release product like "Swords"?

[Theo]

Al Gore says the planet has a fever, and if we all don't work hard to make changes in our lives to change the global climate, there will be a massive "global warming" catastrophe that will wipe out human civilization.

So I find it strange that Morrissey - who endorsed Barack Obama, who endorses Al Gore's "global warming" fear-mongering - is releasing this "Swords" product. Why doesn't he just put the tracks up on the web for download? There would be a much smaller "carbon footprint" that way.

I mean, I'm told by all the lefties that I'm supposed to cut my "carbon footprint" as well as be taxed to the hilt on top of that. So I'd like the pop stars who endorse these politicians to actually conform to what they have endorsed. I want Morrissey to reduce HIS carbon footprint. How much is he doing on his tours to reduce his "footprint"? All that traveling and all those lights and so forth. Dear Lord. And why is he releasing CD copies of songs that have already been released, when that means more hard copy CDs have to be shipped all over the globe?

Morrissey: You endorsed these left wing politicians. You stood up and asked everyone to vote for Barack Obama, for example. If you do not believe in the stuff they are saying as they are relentlessly going after us to reduce our "carbon footprints", why did you endorse them? Are you a FRAUD?

People already have the songs on "Swords". Yet this CD will be shipped all over the place to get people to buy these same old songs again. Between that and Morrissey's jet-setting around, he has a massive "carbon footprint". So why does he endorse politicians who are telling me I have to change all my light bulbs or else I am evil? Barack Obama has even said he wants to tell me what to set my home's thermostat at. Hey, how about Obama tells Morrissey what to do first, since he's the one who went all over the press endorsing the idiot.

 

[I am a Ghost]

Some nice green/autumnal foliage on the cover.

Still haven't bought it yet, though.

 

[dizzywhore_1804]

Admittedly I didn't follow it closely - but he's surely better than what you were stuck with last time, or what you would have been stuck with this time.

 

[Theo]

Admittedly I didn't follow it closely - but he's surely better than what you were stuck with last time, or what you would have been stuck with this time.

How is Obama better than John McCain? John McCain is someone who has actually risked his life, and endured torture, for his country, and has had a long career in the Senate of much accomplishment and earned much respect across party lines. John McCain is not my choice for an ideal president by any means (*), but I find it difficult to work out how the "community organizer" of no accomplishment from Chicago was the better choice.

Obama is making a big mess of things in record time. Despite my low expectations for this man-child who is in over his head, it's nevertheless shocking what a mess of things he's making. Seems like the worst president we've ever seen. But I could be wrong. Please list the accomplishments of his first year and impress me.

*I voted for Bob Barr as a protest.

 

[troubleluvsme]

Al Gore says the planet has a fever, and if we all don't work hard to make changes in our lives to change the global climate, there will be a massive "gobal warming" catastrophe that will wipe out human civilization.

So I find it strange that Morrissey - who endorsed Barack Obama, who endorses Al Gore's "global warming" fear-mongering - is releasing this "Swords" product. Why doesn't he just put the tracks up on the web for download? There would be a much smaller "carbon footprint" that way.

I mean, I'm told by all the lefties that I'm supposed to cut my "carbon footprint" as well as be taxed to the hilt on top of that. So I'd like the pop stars who endorse these politicians to actually conform to what they have endorsed. I want Morrissey to reduce HIS carbon footprint. How much is he doing on his tours to reduce his "footprint"? All that traveling and all those lights and so forth. Dear Lord. And why is he releasing CD copies of songs that have already been released, when that means more hard copy CDs have to be shipped all over the globe?

Morrissey: You endorsed these left wing politicians. You stood up and asked everyone to vote for Barack Obama, for example. If you do not believe in the stuff they are saying as they are relentlessly going after us to reduce our "carbon footprints", why did you endorse them? Are you a FRAUD?

People already have the songs on "Swords". Yet this CD will be shipped all over the place to get people to buy these same old songs again. Between that and Morrissey's jet-setting around, he has a massive "carbon footprint". So why does he endorse politicians who are telling me I have to change all my light bulbs or else I am evil? Barack Obama has even said he wants to tell me what to set my home's thermostat at. Hey, how about Obama tells Morrissey what to do first, since he's the one who went all over the press endorsing the idiot.

Great point

I still can't figure out why anyone who already has all the songs would buy this.

 

[Theo]

Anyway, what one thinks of Bush vs. Obama or McCain vs. Obama is not relevant to this thread.

The world has never seen a fear-mongering campaign as large as this "global warming" stuff. So, it's time I start seeing the people who push that stuff making the sacrifices as examples to the rest of us.

I'll state right now that I refuse to reduce my "carbon footprint" until celebrity endorsers of Obama - such as Morrissey - reduce theirs below where mine is currently at. I simply refuse to make one single further change until I see Morrissey and all the other Obamites leading by example. If they continue to try and push me around about these things, I shall start doing my best to increase my carbon footprint as large as possible (open all my windows, idle my car for hours, turn on as many lights as possible, etc) until they shut up.

And if Obama takes this global warming stuff so seriously, why doesn't he do more of his work from the White House? You know, they have technology now that would allow him not to jet around the globe so much. When Obama travels, it is a MASSIVE carbon footprint and costs many millions of dollars. Why isn't he setting an example? Video conferencing, for example -- look into it, Boy Wonder! Since we're told human civilization will end, or be drastically harmed, if we all don't make these sorts of changes ASAP?

 

[Hellie]

He is old school and likes the aesthetics and the physical product as do I.

Bah humbug to green downloads.

 

[All Over Battersea]

Swords has sold so few copies that it's carbon footprint is about the size of a doormouse.

 

[cornelius blaze]

Great point

I still can't figure out why anyone who already has all the songs would buy this.

I'm not

 

[Barking]

I totally agree with you Theo.

However if we wait for power-tripping/ inconsistent/ do as I say don't do as I do/ terminally self-obsessed people to show us the example, we'll wait a long time.

Like, Obama may be an allright guy, but is he going to show the example? Nah. Taking the train and having visioconferences? That would make America look weak! And poor! He has to go abroad in person to impress. It's all part of personality cult and image, which is what ruling is actually all about even in democracies.

Our President is exactly the same. Preaching and doing the exact opposite himself. (But I mean, it's different, ours is a cretin.) I haven't followed American politics but I kinda knew Obama wouldn't be a revolutionary. It's too much to change too soon. Start with the colour of the Prez, it's already something I guess. But other than that he's probably trapped by party politics, lobbies and so on.

The human race is facing a crisis it's brought upon itself but as the systems and the minds were never actually challenged to evolve as fast as the shit we've created, that's why looks like it's in trouble.

There are alternative lifestyles that could "save the world".

There are people who got all that long ago and have been experimenting different ways to live, buy, think, relate to the environment, be creative. There are many many intelligent people out there tackling the problem and I've been fortunate to meet a few of them. From New Age crusties in England (hehe) to well know climate change specialists in North America, along the years, I've met the people who are ready for "Change."

Trouble is, we still turn to people and systems of the past to show us the way when most of them are useless.

So you see, you, like I, turn to Morrissey, because we think he has an environmental conscience, since he is vegetarian. But the truth is, he's not even able himself to communicate on vegetarianism in a positive way. His personality totally sabotages his message. He had everything in his hands to really be part of change but the way he's acted is mostly counterproductive, I'd say. He's associated with the wrong people, said the wrong things, and made himself look like a loony in the eye of the general carnivore public. That's how I see it because that's how I feel, and I've been a full vegetarian.
His extremism in the matter is not what is needed. A vegetarianism that's fascist will never convince people.

You need to go about things gradually and give people the freedom to choose. That's how you educate and change mentalities. You don't fundamentally change people by making feel guilty or by treating them like idiots, and you don't assume they will do as you say because they look up to you. That may work a while on young little fans but that's imitation. Not education and empowerment.
Once they start thinking about it and are respected in their opinion, people usually warm to reasonable ideas, and become adults. And vegetarianism is a reasonable idea.

As is fighting global warming.

We'll never know why Morrissey sabotages the cause that seems so worthy to his eyes. ("ha!") Has he ever approached a TV channel to suggest them to hire a vegetarian chef? Probably not. He prefers to bitch about that on stage. Result? F.A. And still he keeps doing it instead of trying to change his approach. Well we all repeat mistakes. And yet with his status that's something he probably could have contributed in creating. How big a step does he need to take to have a result? Does he refuse to take positive action because he loves whining to much, and he'd miss it if he could just communicate normally and actually achieve something?

Well that sounds familiar.

Maybe with old age and collapsing he's gonna look at things differently now. He can remain what he is, just be more positive and reasonable and do something about the things he doesn't like in his world or in his life, instead of just bitching about chefs and writing songs to let so and so know that he doesn't love them, so there, and so and so can rot as far as he's concerned(as if so and so gave a shit I really don't think she does, Morrissey.).

God knows that wouldn't kill him.

Mind you, I seem to remember (I didn't buy Mozipedia, maybe I should have), that a tv programme about animals getting slaughtered he shouldn't have seen is at the start of his vegetarianism. And I've recently learnt that his mum is a veggie too. Hmmm: childhood trauma, mummy influence, probably not an ideal combination to become a stable and irresistible vegetarian later on in life.

Might want to look into that someday, Mister Bates. Oops, Morrissey, I mean..

whip: -Hey! don't make me run, my teeth hurt )

 

[mcrickson]

Morrissey has also said 'The World is Full of Crashing Bores,' so it would be very logical for him to aid the end of the world by whatever means as soon as possible

 

[lainey]

I'm happy for Bono to stop releasing CD's.


I still like Larry Mullen Jr though, he's the talented one

 

[Barking]

I'm happy for Bono to stop releasing CD's.


I still like Larry Mullen Jr though, he's the talented one

He's also the cute one. (poor Bono.)
Allright then, tell you what:
-cute people, keep releasing cd's and carbon dioxide, and do what you please cos you're cute.
-non cute people, just hang yourselves.

For each problem, a solution.

 

[wontshareyou]

This thread isn't real.

 

[mcrickson]

This thread isn't real.

It isn't?

 

[wontshareyou]

It isn't?

At least, I hope it isn't.

 

[DeathRockSnowWhite]

This thread isn't real.

f***! Did I fall into an imaginary universe again!?

 

[The Cat's Mother]

He's also the cute one. (poor Bono.)
Allright then, tell you what:
-cute people, keep releasing cd's and carbon dioxide, and do what you please cos you're cute.
-non cute people, just hang yourselves.

For each problem, a solution.

"Hmmmmm.... you've let yourself go a bit recently, haven't you, Miss Spears? You'd better put that new album on hold. We're cutting your carbon emissions allowance until you get those eye-bags fixed."

That could work.

 

[Barking]

This thread isn't real.

is this link real?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL8_k2uhdj8

(it's not, is it?)

 

[Abrahan]

He is old school and likes the aesthetics and the physical product as do I.

Bah humbug to green downloads.

which is why i love that it was released on vinyl.