'I feel like I've been had': Morrissey's collaborators respond to his politics - The Guardian

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'I feel like I've been had': Morrissey's collaborators respond to his politics - The Guardian
The former Smiths singer’s new album features guest spots from Billie Joe Armstrong and Grizzly Bear’s Ed Droste. Are they not put off by his increasingly unpleasant right-wing stance?

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As US music magazine the Fader asked: “What possible reason could any of these people have for lining up behind Morrissey now?”

Droste declined to comment. The only artist willing to speak with the Guardian was Canadian vocalist Ariel Engle, who performs with cult indie outfit Broken Social Scene. She received a call from the American producer Joe Chiccarelli asking her to contribute backing vocals for a cover of Joni Mitchell’s Don’t Interrupt the Sorrow. “I thought, ‘Oh the Smiths, sure’,” she says. “It was $500 for two hours’ work.”

Engle says she didn’t become aware of Morrissey’s political views until the album was announced and a friend emailed to question her involvement. “It’s a very weak argument to claim ignorance,” she says, “but it is my argument. It’s not an excuse but it happens to be the truth.”

Morrissey’s manager, Peter Katsis, says he is unaware of statements made by any guest vocalists, but that the intention of the covers album was supposed to be fun. “This is where his head is at,” he says. “Maybe enough has been said with the last few albums being political.” Of Morrissey’s political views, Katsis says: “I manage his artistic career and sometimes I have to deal with things he says, but it’s not for me to comment.”

Chiccarelli echoes Katsis’s sentiment. “I can’t speak to Moz’s politics,” he says. “I’m a record-maker. I’ve known him 10 years and he’s been a gentleman and a pleasure. I consider him a friend.” When asked about the far-right figures for whom Morrissey has expressed support, Chiccarelli says: “I’d really have to research it and see if it crossed a particular line for me.”

Engle says that learning of Morrissey’s political opinions has left a “bad taste”, and that she stands in opposition to his views. “The inflammatory things he says are not my politics. I think he’s completely out of line. I grew up around multiculturalism and I am the product of multiculturalism and immigration. I feel like I’ve been had, but it’s my fault.”

The American singer LP offered a statement through a PR representative: “As I’m a huge fan of his music and poetry, I was honoured to be asked to collaborate on the album.” Representatives for Lydia Night of California band the Regrettes offered no comment, but the 18-year-old told punk magazine Kerrang!: “I’ve grown up loving the Smiths – my cat’s name is Morrissey!” Representatives for Armstrong said he was in the studio and therefore unreachable.

The guest stars on California Son are all North American, suggesting a difference between perceptions of the former Smiths frontman in the US and UK. Katsis, who is American, sees the critical focus on Morrissey’s politics as a British preoccupation.

“I don’t think they know enough about it to care about it,” he says of Morrissey’s US fans. “I don’t feel knowledgable enough to comment on British politics, therefore it’s probably not as important to me or the international fans as it is to UK fans. This whole thing has had me perplexed. The subjects are very complicated and dividing.”

The figures bear out Morrissey’s enduring support across the Atlantic. He ended 2018 with arena shows in North and South America, and has announced his first Canadian tour in 20 years for this April. In November 2017, Los Angeles City Council declared 10 November “Morrissey Day”.

“In America, he tends to be seen as the rock star who sang about queer life and spoke openly about feminism when nobody else did,” says Rolling Stone critic Rob Sheffield. “These two images define him, and he’s still seen in terms of his pioneering place in history. His grumpy old age is not really held against him. Americans tend not to follow UK politics very closely, so when he makes mind-blowingly offensive statements there might be outrage or humiliation for a few days, or hours, but then it’s back to listening to The Queen Is Dead”.




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I'm sure there're lots of artists in USA supporting Donald Trump and crazy religious groups and nobody knows about them. That's the thing about Morrissey... He's not scared of talking loud, so what you see is what you get so of speak. I do appreciate his transparency, but I don't share his political views (apart from animal warfare) like I don't share them with many other people. I feel comfortable separating the artist from his views.
 
This is the new normal. Folk are not arguing over whether this singer is racist or not - that's a given - we're at the point where the majority of users here are trying to find reasons to denigrate others for merely pointing it out, making the demonisation of racists demonisable in its own right.

Mad. Utterly mad.
The problem was children being blown up in Manchester in the name of Islam, never ever forget that, I won't be forgetting that. Morrissey, I think, supports Anne Marie Waters for her support of animal welfare. Tommy Robinson, as much as people seem to hate him,.. I do believe he's done his bit to stop radical Muslims having their way in the UK, he's probably saved peoples lives, and probably saved children from being abused, he puts pressure on people who would just take over if he wasn't there. Islamic terrorists breed off the weak, so be strong.
 
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Nothing to do with Haslam, all do to with with large numbers of people not agreeing with his views on Robinson and Walters. He f***ed up big time discussing anything to do with those two and it was not something I ever expected to see from the man who fronted a band that I loved from their fist gig I saw back in 84.

I suspect that the poor ticket sales last summer had more to do with the ridiculous prices being charged for what would have amounted to 75 minutes of dull songs performed in a very unappealing field.

The recent set lists have been far more interesting. If he continued to sing songs fans actually want the hear, and his management dropped prices to something more reasonable - I'd stretch to £45 all in - he'd still sell out every venue in the country.

Apart from a few self-righteous members of Solo, I don't think anyone really gives a toss about his politics. He's a singer, nothing else.
 
Sympathy for an out and out racist and you wonder why he gets tarred with the same brush? This is why his UK support crumbled. It would be the same if he said he was sympathetic to Trump, his Mexican support would crumble within days. I appreciate that to you he can do no wrong but when he made those comments, he crossed the line with his UK fan base. Maybe time will heal that, who knows?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6746757/Tommy-Robinson-DELETED-Facebook-Instagram.html

Lol. How are you supposed to feel about a group of people using religion as a basis to cut off people’s heads and set off bombs in public? Are you supposed to love them? Respect them? They don’t love and respect you. Get a f***ing clue.

Which Mexican support would that be? The ones in Mexico, the ones in the U.S., or the ones illegally in the U.S.?
 
Y’know, I consider myself moderately left wing - (left wing-ly moderate?!) and I’m sort of appalled at the attitudes displayed by media outlets such as the Guardian. Just because people like the Green Day dude and the Grizzly Bear dude (two people ultimately loved by predominantly young and therefore left wing) are choosing to collaborate with Morrissey, they feel it’s their obligation to run scathing articles about people feeling betrayed.
I don’t necessarily agree with everything Morrissey says these days but I am in agreement with the man about the so-called loony left. Nowadays it feels like unless we all exist in some Lego Movie ‘everything is awesome’ universe then you’re condemned to death on Twitter. The NME have been guilty of similar this week, having put Morrissey as one of this week’s losers. For releasing a track from a forthcoming covers album. Just because a couple of their left wing stalwarts decided to collaborate. Pathetic
 
Raggy isn't racist, he's just pissed. Other than that, I'm not sure what your point is.

Point is, you’re showing sympathy for Ragdale Road a self-professed racist.

And yet you say nothing when Surface falsely accuses Morrissey of wrong doing when Morrissey shows sympathy for Robinson.. or is Morrissey like you ? showing sympathy for another human being regardless of what that human being has said or done?

In your post you excuse ‘Raggy’s’ racism then comfort him by saying .... ‘But I think we all know you're not about to invade Poland or anything.’

Then you say.. he ‘isn't racist, he's just pissed’.
So what you’re saying is ... that being pissed is an excuse for someone’s racism, that it’s alright.

Well maybe Morrissey was pissed when he showed ‘support’ for Robinson? :lbf:
and Morrissey is not invading any country nor is he a leader of any political party that will bring harm to any people, so shouldn’t then Morrissey
also be excused of his ‘wrong doings’ :rolleyes: also ?


Yes, very interesting.



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I agree with all the so-called controversial things Morrissey has said. Every last one of them. He's a man of great intelligence and foresight - and with an admirable romantic love for the country he grew up in. England is losing its identity at a rapid rate. It's losing all the things that made it what it was. Very soon it will resemble a third world nation in all but the richest areas - and Moz is the only celebrity with the balls to broach this fact - a subject that as reticent Brits we've been conditioned from birth to be silent about.

I've always known Moz was different, a true individual. That's what drew me to him in the first place - his insouciant defiance of norms. But in recent times I have come to admire him even more. It takes real courage to defy our masters (who control everything, including how we must think) and speak out.

Especially if you are in the public gaze, and know full well the public crucifiction you will suffer.
 
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Just seen tweet from her, do u remember?? Lol. I actually do agree with it, The Guardian has become a yawn over the never ending mozza hating. And you'd think they might all get bored of it by now ffs


 
Believe what you want. Robinsons a racist, Morrissey has been tarred with the same brush and due to him spouting off about the arsehole his UK career is f***ed.
It ain't f***ed from my angle, and not from many others angles either. How many children has Tommy Robinson killed? This is what gets me, if it was your child blown up in the name of Islam you'd hate the bastards, but as it isn't you will back their cause, wake up!!, TR has made the country safer, he puts pressure on them to police themselves, its vital,
 
Brexit was indeed magnificent - very few in the public eye have he guys to comment even though it is the majority view. Thanks moz
 
Lol. How are you supposed to feel about a group of people using religion as a basis to cut off people’s heads and set off bombs in public? Are you supposed to love them? Respect them? They don’t love and respect you. Get a f***ing clue.

Which Mexican support would that be? The ones in Mexico, the ones in the U.S., or the ones illegally in the U.S.?

Despise the c***s like everyone else. But should I despise a couple of my mates who I play football with every week. They are Muslim and I have known them for 30 years and Im pretty sure they haven't chopped off someones head or bombed anybody?
 
I agree with all the so-called controversial things Morrissey has said. Every last one of them. He's a man of great intelligence and foresight - and with an admirable romantic love for the country he grew up in. England is losing it's identity at a rapid rate. It's losing all the things that made it what it was. Very soon it will resemble a third world nation in all but the richest areas - and Moz is the only celebrity with the balls to broach this fact - a subject that as reticent Brits we've been conditioned from birth to be silent about.

I've always known Moz was different, a true individual. That's what drew me to him in the first place - his insouciant defiance of norms. But in recent times I have come to admire him even more. It takes real courage to defy our masters (who control everything, including how we must think) and speak out.

Especially if you are in the public gaze, and know full well the public crucifiction you will suffer.

Romantic love for the country that embraced his immigrant family.
 
This may force Morrissey to finally distance himself from far-right politics, the worst examples to date being his support for Anne Walters (and her party) and Johnny Robinson. If it does, it's a good thing.
If you've got any sense, Steve, do this right away.
who is Johnny Robinson....you should get a job at The Guardian with that level of factual accuracy. Hilarious. Pilgrimupnorth
 
It ain't f***ed from my angle, and not from many others angles either. How many children has Tommy Robinson killed? This is what gets me, if it was your child blown up in the name of Islam you'd hate the bastards, but as it isn't you will back their cause, wake up!!, TR has made the country safer, he puts pressure on them to police themselves, its vital,

Show me a post where I have ever backed any atrocity carried out in the name of Islam?
 
Point is, you’re showing sympathy for Ragdale Road a self-professed racist.

And yet you say nothing when Surface falsely accuses Morrissey of wrong doing when Morrissey shows sympathy for Robinson.. or is Morrissey like you ? showing sympathy for another human being regardless of what that human being has said or done?

In your post you excuse ‘Raggy’s’ racism then comfort him by saying .... ‘But I think we all know you're not about to invade Poland or anything.’

Then you say.. he ‘isn't racist, he's just pissed’.
So what you’re saying is ... that being pissed is an excuse for someone’s racism, that it’s alright.

Well maybe Morrissey was pissed when he showed ‘support’ for Robinson? :lbf:
and Morrissey is not invading any country nor is he a leader of any political party that will bring harm to any people, so shouldn’t then Morrissey
also excused of his ‘wrong doings’ :rolleyes: also ?


Yes, very interesting.
Not sure what you're smoking but I was simply talking to my friend Raggy, who is not, for the record, a racist (despite what he says when he's pissed). So there's nothing to excuse. Not sure why you feel the need to draw parallels with Morrissey since I wasn't doing that myself. Do I need to comment on all of Surface's posts? If you were paying attention, you would know that I am not someone who has habitually labelled Morrissey racist. I think he's embarrassingly uninformed and says crass, insensitive things to get a reaction but that's not necessarily the same thing. But whatever I think, I don't need to justify any of it to you.
 
Feeling very lonely. I'm alone, I'm alone, I'm alone I'm alone I'm alone, im alone and I never had noone ever.
 
Romantic love for the country that embraced his immigrant family.

I’m sure his family legally immigrated and didn’t push to have religious law within predominantly Irish communities.
 
Show me a post where I have ever backed any atrocity carried out in the name of Islam?
You slag off a man who has shown resistance to child murder & rape in the UK, in the name of Islam.
 
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