anyone believe this email from the main board?

[Puddle]

Why would he appoint LA lawyers if he lives in Italy now?

Cause his management company are still based over there?

The contact details are valid though:

http://www.kwikalaw.com/ourPeople/gGabriel.html

I'm far from knowing how it works but they are entertainment lawyers with other very famous clients in music and film/tv.

My guess is the only places to get worthwhile entertainment lawyers are LA, New York, London...Anywhere else? They would have to be based in the US and/or UK since that's where all the entertainment industries are based. Well at least the biggest ones in the Western world are based there.

 

[Math Tinder]

Hello, Math. Where were you when the shit hit the fan?

Hey lovely mozmic. Eh, let's say I was out fulfilling some fantasies, but they didn't exactly work out - a night in front of the laptop, reading the latest Moz gossip, would have served me better.

You didn't like The Youngest video? You didn't appreciation Moz's understated I-doing-Steve-McQueen-doing-me performance? Not even the hairsweep? The black and white footage? Boz squeezed in his cop uniform? The handcuffs, my god, the handcuffs?!

Awwww. I liked it.

Well, I'm glad you liked it. As I posted in a Comment over on the ever-ballooning thread on the main site, I thought the video had a fine idea, but that it was executed just stupidly. Sure, the hair sweep, the Moz-doing-McQueen-doing-Moz was all cool - and totally, the handcuffs were HOT! The cuffs were a cool Bowie reference as well, for those who remember a certain ace promo by David.

But I found it pretty much unwatchable - it was ill-composed and edited SO badly, not cut on beats / musical changes / anything to do with the song. It's like the editor had the sound down while s/he was cutting it, seriously.

I really think it needed just a bit more going on - wouldn't the handcuffs have been way hotter and more interesting if they were used as an ironic reveal at the end? Like, it looks like Morrissey is being escorted into a car and the paparazzi are all there just because he's famous, but then at the end, he holds up his hands, and you see the cuffs for the first time, and only THEN you realize he's been arrested? That would have been _something_. Instead it's just a long, slow take of Morrissey getting into a car that strips a great song of all its energy and magic. Ah, well.

--
Puddle, I agree with you that one of Morrissey's most charming aspects is that he lives in his own bubble - your 'it's b+w, that's badass right?' comment made me laugh a lot. Yeah, it is endearing that he thinks he walks into a car and this makes a great video. But still, it's not gonna get him any damn airplay, the poor boy.

Also, about employing L.A. lawyers when he lives in Italy; that's not unusual in the slightest. One celebrity who comes to mind, who does exactly the same thing, is George Clooney.


much love
math+

 

[Puddle]

Eh, let's say I was out fulfilling some fantasies, but they didn't exactly work out -

Math...You still can't find an 80s Moz

 

[Math Tinder]

^Heh, I found close enough , but last night was a different subject entirely, check your PMs.

And she'll never never do it again... not until the next time.

xo, math+

 

[mozmic_dancer]

Hey lovely mozmic. Eh, let's say I was out fulfilling some fantasies, but they didn't exactly work out - a night in front of the laptop, reading the latest Moz gossip, would have served me better.

Fulfilling fantasies -- oh my.

Well, Gather ye rosebuds while ye may, old time is still a-flying; and this same flower that smiles today, tomorrow will be vacuuming curtains before company arrives.

There will always be another video. Anyway, gotta go.

I found an 80s Moz once, bust em right in half!

 

[Suzanne]

the only thing that makes me cringe when watching the moz video is that i get the feeling that he enjoys handcuffs way too much!

 

[DeadQueen]

the only thing that makes me cringe when watching the moz video is that i get the feeling that he enjoys handcuffs way too much!

Nothing wrong with that!

 

[veradicere]

It had to be someone from Sanctuary making mischief, anyway will Sanctuary pull out all the stops for the next single?

Yeah, I bet some mischievous interns are having laughs over drinks at this very moment

 

[Theo]

Save the songs and kill the singer

I think many were quick to jump to the conclusion that it's a fake.

I would like to submit an apology to those I ridiculed for thinking this ugly, arrogant, asinine, and emabarassing email was real. Although my opinion of Morrisssey the person has fallen considerably in recent years (I still think Quarry is an excellent album and Ringleader has a few good moments, however), never in my wildest dreams would I have thought this is what the man is like when the curtain is pulled back. Apparently some of you knew Morrissey far better than I did, and you recognized right away that this is what he is and what he sounds like off-stage. I'm sad to know it. It's times like these one wishes you could go back to the days when you didn't have too much information about singers. Yes, it was much better when all I knew were the songs and an occasional magazine article that didn't reveal too much. Many have said it is not good to meet the celebrities you admire because they'll let you down and be considerably lesser than in your imagination. With the Internet revolution you no longer even have to meet stars to see the curtain pulled away.

I've felt for a long time now that Morrissey is not the man I once thought he was. Now I don't even think I like him. Ah well, at least there's still the songs.

 

[realitybites]

Re: Save the songs and kill the singer

I would like to submit an apology to those I ridiculed for thinking this ugly, arrogant, asinine, and emabarassing email was real. Although my opinion of Morrisssey the person has fallen considerably in recent years (I still think Quarry is an excellent album and Ringleader has a few good moments, however), never in my wildest dreams would I have thought this is what the man is like when the curtain is pulled back. Apparently some of you knew Morrissey far better than I did, and you recognized right away that this is what he is and what he sounds like off-stage. I'm sad to know it. It's times like these one wishes you could go back to the days when you didn't have too much information about singers. Yes, it was much better when all I knew were the songs and an occasional magazine article that didn't reveal too much. Many have said it is not good to meet the celebrities you admire because they'll let you down and be considerably lesser than in your imagination. With the Internet revolution you no longer even have to meet stars to see the curtain pulled away.

I've felt for a long time now that Morrissey is not the man I once thought he was. Now I don't even think I like him. Ah well, at least there's still the songs.

I have been harboring the same feelings as well. I feel very conflicted at the moment. On the one hand, I love the music. But all this outrageous behavior in the last two years is disheartening to say the least. It all started with that IOW fiasco--letting all the fans down. Then denying any connection with his official site--disappointing fans once again. Then dissing Solo by publicly referring to the site as So-low. Next it was the boycotting of Canada and his pro-ALF comments. Then the tacky display of Playboy symbolism--feminist my ass! Last this e-mail. I have lost faith in Morrissey as a person. His self-centered attitude is no longer charming. It's childish.

I have more admiration and respect for David Tseng than Morrissey. If it weren't for the hospitable webmaster here, I would have packed my bags a while back.

 

[mjp]

Re: Save the songs and kill the singer

I have been harboring the same feelings as well. I feel very conflicted at the moment. On the one hand, I love the music. But all this outrageous behavior in the last two years is disheartening to say the least. It all started with that IOW fiasco--letting all the fans down. Then denying any connection with his official site--disappointing fans once again. Then dissing Solo by publicly referring to the site as So-low. Next it was the boycotting of Canada and his pro-ALF comments. Then the tacky display of Playboy symbolism--feminist my ass! Last this e-mail. I have lost faith in Morrissey as a person. His self-centered attitude is no longer charming. It's childish.

I have more admiration and respect for David Tseng than Morrissey. If it weren't for the hospitable webmaster here, I would have packed my bags a while back.

You beat me to it, I was seconds away from posting support and agreement with Theo's sentiments.

I took great exception to his critisism of this site at the time and e-mailed Julia (without any reply - what a shock) this was the place I'd come during the barren years to keep Morrissey's celebrity alive.

 

[Suzanne]

Re: Save the songs and kill the singer

I wondered if maybe the meningitis didn't fry his brain. i'll admit that he has always done some pretty, uh, "interesting" stuff, and maybe i was young and wanted to make excuses for him, but good lord!

 

[zom]

Re: Save the songs and kill the singer

I would like to submit an apology to those I ridiculed for thinking this ugly, arrogant, asinine, and emabarassing email was real. Although my opinion of Morrisssey the person has fallen considerably in recent years (I still think Quarry is an excellent album and Ringleader has a few good moments, however), never in my wildest dreams would I have thought this is what the man is like when the curtain is pulled back. Apparently some of you knew Morrissey far better than I did, and you recognized right away that this is what he is and what he sounds like off-stage. I'm sad to know it. It's times like these one wishes you could go back to the days when you didn't have too much information about singers. Yes, it was much better when all I knew were the songs and an occasional magazine article that didn't reveal too much. Many have said it is not good to meet the celebrities you admire because they'll let you down and be considerably lesser than in your imagination. With the Internet revolution you no longer even have to meet stars to see the curtain pulled away.

I've felt for a long time now that Morrissey is not the man I once thought he was. Now I don't even think I like him. Ah well, at least there's still the songs.

It takes a big man to apologize theo, i am impressed. Kudos on the entire post, you hit the nail on the head.

zom

 

[zom]

Re: Save the songs and kill the singer

Then the tacky display of Playboy symbolism--feminist my ass!

I must have missed this, what was it?

zom

 

[Suzanne]

Re: Save the songs and kill the singer

I must have missed this, what was it?

zom

i think she's talking about the t-shirts the band has been wearing.

that doesn't bother me too much because, you never know with him and it might mean something as campy as the Jobriath t-shirts. however, when he blamed women for the perpetuation of the fur industry and stated his views about how it should be against women's natures to wear furs because they have maternal instincts just really makes you wonder when is the last time he spoke to a woman outside of his mother and julia.

 

[sarahT]

I think Morrissey has every right to be upset with Sanctuary. They should realise what a prize they have in him and treat him accordingly. There's nobody of Morrissey's equal in the music industry today and they should grab that and take really advantage of it. He's completely unique. There are no other musicians of any age who appear on the covers and in the contents of all the music magazines on such a regular basis and who are still bringing out music of such a consistently high standard. He should have people especially assigned to working on his behalf and doing it as well as he does his side of things. He should be treasured a bit more.
It's like a record company being lucky enough to land Frank Sinatra and then treating him the same as they would treat Bucks Fizz.
I'm completely baffled by it and if I was him I'd be pissed off too.

 

[wolve]

In my opinion, this email hasn't changed my view on Morrissey a bit! I mean, there's nothing that you don't know yet! Yes, he's always interested in chart positions (which artist isn't?), yes, he's got the right to complain to someone at the company he's working with, yes, he makes comments about animal rights to be heard in the end (when those quotes get in the papers the day after, they get more attention and publicity!).

We should do a friggin' poll!

 

[chrisarclark]

juste read the email for the first time- its definitely him.

its completely in keeping with everything typically Moz, if nakedly revealing of his most arrogant side. these are things only Moz would say:

"Scooby dooby doo, where are you?
We've got some work to do now.
Scooby dooby doo
We need some help from you now
Come on Scooby Doo, I see you
Pretending you've got a sliver
You're not foolin' me 'cause I can see
The way you shake and shiver"

his listing is also very givaway- it's truly authentic. idont doubt fora moment that Morrissey would laud TYWTML's video and artwork as "great"- theyre not, but that wouldnt stop Morrissey from thinking or at least saying so. no doubt, he was involved himself in their creative process and he is of the belief that most everything he touches is gold. ialso dont doubt how he would bring up his mug gracing the cover of the NME as another reason the release should hav faired better- the way he puts it reeks of his style of vanity. finally, ialso dont doubt the comment about the aniaml rights comments- although ido believe he believes (or would like to believe) in all of his talk of animal rights and veganism and on and on, ialso believe that he has very consciously used the cause throughout his career to create contraversy and drum up press in service of his own self-promotion. iknow this sounds like sour grapes from a Canadian fan, but theres no doubt that Moz timed the announcement of his big Canadian boycott to coincide with the release of ROTT in the hopes that the added exporsure brought on by the contraversy would push ROTT over the top to #1 in the UK- and it worked. he was likly hoping for more payoffs with his incessant commentary once again implying support of the Animal Right Militia- didnt work this time.

this is definitely genuine. whether he purposely leaked it or not is debatable (ithink he could hav), but there should be no question that it is him. the legal revocation order is certainly more proof of this.

idont think anyone should be surprised- this is typical Morrissey. iwas surprised at his boycott of Canada because ithink thats certainly the furthest hes ever gone with any of this kind of arrogant bullshite, but this email is mild in comparison.

 

[Math Tinder]

In my opinion, this email hasn't changed my view on Morrissey a bit! I mean, there's nothing that you don't know yet!

Yeah... I agree, especially with that second statement.

People who are so shocked by the content of the email, do you remember the kinds of things Morrissey went around saying in the 1980s? I'm not about to post a list of quotes because that would only spread more negative energy about, but it baffles me that anyone says 'NOW I'm upset with him, NOW I'm no longer a fan'. What on Earth has changed?

His tone could be pure business strategy to deal with his record company; it could be 100% heartfelt sentiment. It could have been something that he wrote while he was drunk and doesn't even remember writing!

But... assuming it to be genuine and heartfelt... this part of Morrissey was one of the parts I fell in love with, back in the day. Truly. I didn't fall without first managing to read some of his angry exclamations; maybe it was surprising that they brought forth affection in me; I dunno. But I'm pretty surprised that this is the first or worst angry exclamation that some fans have read.


love
math+

 

[Puddle]

theres no doubt that Moz timed the announcement of his big Canadian boycott to coincide with the release of ROTT in the hopes that the added exporsure brought on by the contraversy would push ROTT over the top to #1 in the UK- and it worked.

didn't the fact that the boycott came a day after the seal cull started give you just a tiny bit doubt about motive behind the timing? or are you just that bitter? no doubt is a little extreme.

idont doubt fora moment that Morrissey would laud TYWTML's video and artwork as "great"- theyre not, but that wouldnt stop Morrissey from thinking or at least saying so. no doubt, he was involved himself in their creative process and he is of the belief that most everything he touches is gold.

I have my doubts whether or not morrissey is involved all that much in the packaging for singles, including the artwork and video. morrissey has been in the business long enugh to sit back and expect competent people to make sound judgements--artistic and business. He just doesn't care too much about the artwork in my opinion. videos perhaps, but not all of the recent ones. He's going to include it in his eamil because i thnk the point of his email is that the business and promotion (sales force if you may) failed to sell a good product. so he's not going to say, "yeah sure the art work could have been better but you guys still failed."

furthermore, he listed all those things that you say made him sound arrogant and vain because he just wanted to be comprehensive in letting merck know what they had to work with, and yet they didn't succeed due to the named people not doing their job in is opinion.

but yes morrissey would praise his work, he is the artist of his work, he's going to praise it. as he should.