Moment of silence for killed Pantera guitarist

[nonesoever]

> oh yeah...i also forgot to mention that this guy was in the military at
> one point. not that all military types are crazy, but they definitely have
> a much higher incidence of running into a restaurant and shooting up the
> place than the average population.

Is it because those who go to the military are inherently crazy, or is it because of what the army does to them?
Well, I don't really think it's a phenomena unique to the US anymore, it's happening everywhere. I just wish they'd shoot someone who deserve it.
Like in Switzerland, there was a case a few years ago, where an armed man
went into his local parliament and gunned down some members.
I mean if someone has to die ...

> morrissey dramatizes a lot of that. only he can be about to go on a stage
> in front of 15,000 cheering and adoring fans and make an assasination
> comment such as that one. it's as if all he thinks about is that one
> journalist who might have something to say and whose comments are going to
> be buried on page 53 of the NME and doesn't think at all about the rest of
> the people who turned up out of legitimate love.

Well he is a drama queen, what can we do?
We always knew he was vain.
I mean, getting death threats means you're important.
For a man who rarely leaves the house, he sure managed to piss a lot of people.

> there are bands who play in front of 30 people and imagine they are the
> hottest shit in the world.

And then they became what we know as Guns'N'Roses.

> yeah, exactly.

> who said that? i don't remember reading that anywhere.

I remember reading it somewhere on the comments pages.
But is it really that hard to convey death threats?
Sending him a copy of 'Sorrow Will Come In The End' would be nice.
I've always wanted to send that special someone a copy.
Jam the elevator and make them listen.

Would you have asked him "Morrissey, how do you prefer your death threats? Love, Suzanne"?

> i seriously doubt they would be asked. i realized that those questions
> were not sprung on him. that time gap of "we need your questions by
> the 7th" means that they had a standing arrangement that all
> questions had be received a few days ahead of time and forwarded on to
> morrissey's management for a chance to approve which ones are asked on
> air. if it was his management's job to figure out what he wouldn't mind
> being asked, i'm sure that silly questions about why the band was wearing
> kilts and the like were struck down.

Yeah, and I'm sure your death threats question would not have made their list ...
The silly question might though.

At least it would give him a chance to come up with some good answers.
One isn't born witty, that I'll tell ya, he always rehearses his material, he sits all day and thinks about what to say.

> it doesn't bother me too much. i didn't approach what i sent in with that
> in mind anyway. i just figured that they would get about 400 questions
> about what morrissey's next album will be like and figured that they
> didn't need question 401 about it, even if that is actually the
> information that i'm going to be the most interested in finding out about.

They usually have that segment in interviews where they approach the more lightheaded questions and questions from fans.
I'm quite sure Janice doesn't need any encouragement to ask about the next album - that's the standard interview.
But his last interview with her was rather special.
She comes up with great questions all by herself.

 

[suzanne]

> Is it because those who go to the military are inherently crazy, or is it
> because of what the army does to them?

i think its the training to kill people indiscriminately. it also doesn't help that once the army is done with you, they really are done with you.

> Well, I don't really think it's a phenomena unique to the US anymore, it's
> happening everywhere. I just wish they'd shoot someone who deserve it.
> Like in Switzerland, there was a case a few years ago, where an armed man
> went into his local parliament and gunned down some members.
> I mean if someone has to die ...

> Well he is a drama queen, what can we do?
> We always knew he was vain.
> I mean, getting death threats means you're important.
> For a man who rarely leaves the house, he sure managed to piss a lot of
> people.

> And then they became what we know as Guns'N'Roses.

> I remember reading it somewhere on the comments pages.

i don't remember reading that, but even if someone posted it, there is still roughly an 85% chance that someone made it up.

a couple of months ago, i decided to go down memory lane of the first vegas concert that was canceled on me. people were posting all sorts of shit like claiming that moz had lost a lot of money at the tables and was pissed off and didn't want to play any shows afterwards.

an even better example is the recent retirement rumor.

> But is it really that hard to convey death threats?
> Sending him a copy of 'Sorrow Will Come In The End' would be nice.
> I've always wanted to send that special someone a copy.
> Jam the elevator and make them listen.

and then cut the elevator cables?

dying in a hotel fire is even better. or wishing that it wasn't Ronnie who had died.

> Would you have asked him "Morrissey, how do you prefer your death
> threats? Love, Suzanne"?

what are you trying to do to me, noney? they'd surely put me on a "do not fly" list if i sent in a question like that.

> Yeah, and I'm sure your death threats question would not have made their
> list ...
> The silly question might though.

no, maybe if i asked one about why its wrong to eat meat or wear fur. or what he thinks about Pop Idol. or what's wrong with music today. or why MTV won't play his music. or why VH1 won't play his music. or why Radio 1 won't play his music. or why Sky TV won't play his music.

i think i could have had a real shot with those.

even though, i did see the CD:UK real video clip and i do have to say that he sticks out like a sore thumb. it almost reminded me of one of Shakes the Clown where Bobcat Goldthwait scares the little kids with his bitter and cynical adult problems.

still, i found it amusing.

> At least it would give him a chance to come up with some good answers.
> One isn't born witty, that I'll tell ya, he always rehearses his material,
> he sits all day and thinks about what to say.

it takes a lot of hard work to be spontaneous.

i can almost see him looking down and peeking at answers he had written on the inside of his hand. what a crisis it must be if he had to wash his hands before the show started.

> They usually have that segment in interviews where they approach the more
> lightheaded questions and questions from fans.

lightheaded?!?!? ha ha ha ha

yes, you know his fanbase well.

> I'm quite sure Janice doesn't need any encouragement to ask about the next
> album - that's the standard interview.
> But his last interview with her was rather special.
> She comes up with great questions all by herself.

that's standard. who wouldn't want to be a person to sneak a peek at morrissey's calendar for the upcoming year? or to steal his demo tapes and notebook? forget trying to steal the Mona Lisa. that would be even better!

 

[nonesoever]

> i think its the training to kill people indiscriminately. it also doesn't
> help that once the army is done with you, they really are done with you.

I dunno, most of the army's personnel is in non-combat roles, sweeping the floor at some US base or flying jets in Texas' special guard.

Funny how security is so strict regarding cameras, but allows for fire arms.

> i don't remember reading that, but even if someone posted it, there is
> still roughly an 85% chance that someone made it up.

> a couple of months ago, i decided to go down memory lane of the first
> vegas concert that was canceled on me. people were posting all sorts of
> shit like claiming that moz had lost a lot of money at the tables and was
> pissed off and didn't want to play any shows afterwards.

It's all true
He never said that the rumors were completely unfounded.
Though the most likely explanation is that he lost another court appeal.
But seriously it's probably hard for him to be in the mood every other night.
He should have learned by now to plan his tours better.

> an even better example is the recent retirement rumor.

Well, it became a sort of a tradition, every Morrissey album is said to be his last.
I don't believe he's finished yet. I'm thankful for every new album.
I wonder who would co-write the next album.

> and then cut the elevator cables?

I'd stay true to the lyrics and slit their throat.
But really I'm sure I'd send someone a copy of 'Sorrow' someday, it's so precise.

> dying in a hotel fire is even better. or wishing that it wasn't Ronnie who
> had died.

Ronnie Kray?

> what are you trying to do to me, noney? they'd surely put me on a "do
> not fly" list if i sent in a question like that.

It was a totally innocent question
Life is pretty boring without the occasional death threat in the morning,
it means someone out there still cares.

> no, maybe if i asked one about why its wrong to eat meat or wear fur. or
> what he thinks about Pop Idol. or what's wrong with music today. or why
> MTV won't play his music. or why VH1 won't play his music. or why Radio 1
> won't play his music. or why Sky TV won't play his music.

> i think i could have had a real shot with those.

I'm sure you would have, but God I wish he'd stop talking about these issues forever. The stalker incidents are much more amusing. I'm sure he has some new ones from this tour.
Maybe that guy from Vh-1 Behind The Music, I think he's BG.

> even though, i did see the CD:UK real video clip and i do have to say that
> he sticks out like a sore thumb. it almost reminded me of one of Shakes
> the Clown where Bobcat Goldthwait scares the little kids with his bitter
> and cynical adult problems.

What do you expect with such a ridiculous catwalk stage?
Though Moz wears his fashion items well, the priest suit will surely be a hit in next year's Paris fashion week.
The stage looks like a WWF disco wrestling arena.
I prefer it when he performs Jesus live, it allows him to play with the lyrics a bit and it makes the performance more personal to me as a fan.

> still, i found it amusing.

The expressions on his face are always amusing. Though I haven't seen his reaction to that Cat lady.

> it takes a lot of hard work to be spontaneous.

I don't think he's spontaneous. I think he works hard to be witty, though others, no matter how much time they had on their hands, would never come up with the stuff he does.

> i can almost see him looking down and peeking at answers he had written on
> the inside of his hand. what a crisis it must be if he had to wash his
> hands before the show started.

Yeah, his hands must look like Robert DeNiro's in 'Cape Fear'.
Nah, I think he has a good memory, but he does rehearse his comeback lines.
Besides, he has a terrible handwriting.

> lightheaded?!?!? ha ha ha ha

> yes, you know his fanbase well.

> that's standard. who wouldn't want to be a person to sneak a peek at
> morrissey's calendar for the upcoming year? or to steal his demo tapes and
> notebook? forget trying to steal the Mona Lisa. that would be even better!

Maybe we should hire the guy who stole Johnny Marr's guitar a few years ago.
The Killers' singer went through Boz's stuff and listened to the music of Quarry, it's all possible.
I bet we'd be disappointed, it'd be full of vegetarian recipes.

It would be easier to sell on e-bay, than the Mona Lise, that's true.

 

[suzanne]

> I dunno, most of the army's personnel is in non-combat roles, sweeping the
> floor at some US base or flying jets in Texas' special guard.

yes, that's what they generally do in between combat, but they do go to bootcamp and they do play wargames that simulate real combat situations....

> Funny how security is so strict regarding cameras, but allows for fire
> arms.

it's a metal concert. cameras aren't made of metal. guns are.

> It's all true
> He never said that the rumors were completely unfounded.
> Though the most likely explanation is that he lost another court appeal.
> But seriously it's probably hard for him to be in the mood every other
> night.
> He should have learned by now to plan his tours better.

i don't know what was up with that. the person booking his tour is a mixture of a genius and a putz.

either that, or someone is biting off more than they can chew....maybe he wanted to cram everything in there to get off the road as quickly as possible, but if that's the case, they might as well reduce the number of shows.

> Well, it became a sort of a tradition, every Morrissey album is said to be
> his last.
> I don't believe he's finished yet. I'm thankful for every new album.
> I wonder who would co-write the next album.

as i said, it's the ying and the yang. for years we had to suffer through, "he's signed to the label that uses 7-11 as their distribution points" rumors and now, it's the opposite with "he's had enough and is retiring..."

i know what some people's thoughts are on Harry Potter, so forgive my comparisons.... however, there is a really excellent fan website called www.mugglenet.com that is basically the harry potter version of this website in that it caters to the obsessives that need their artist-related news everyday...and i don't care for 79% of it because i generally don't care if it is the guy who played the wizard who sold Harry his first wand's birthday. still, i can't really make a comment as to what constitutes acceptable news for others. likewise, the author herself has responded with her own website which she addresses rumors and has some interaction with the mugglenet website and so forth. it just feels so peculiar to have such an interaction like that since morrissey has for so long operated under the dogma of being very hands off when it comes to his internet fanbase. i guess it will take a while to see if it is a good thing or not.

> I'd stay true to the lyrics and slit their throat.
> But really I'm sure I'd send someone a copy of 'Sorrow' someday, it's so
> precise.

slitting throats is messy. and there is no point for an elevator because you can slit their throat anywhere.

> Ronnie Kray?

reagan. the actor who became a president.

> It was a totally innocent question
> Life is pretty boring without the occasional death threat in the morning,
> it means someone out there still cares.

i don't think that morrissey needs a death threat. i think he needs something more positive like a "Live Threat" as in "for the love of god, move on and live your life and stop worrying about this crap.....or else..."

> I'm sure you would have, but God I wish he'd stop talking about these
> issues forever. The stalker incidents are much more amusing. I'm sure he
> has some new ones from this tour.
> Maybe that guy from Vh-1 Behind The Music, I think he's BG.

its kinda too late in the game to worry about what MTV thinks of you when you've been around for over 20 years.

> What do you expect with such a ridiculous catwalk stage?

i don't get to see the show here in america, so i can only imagine what it looks like based upon the very fuzzy images i was getting with the real video stream. i'm actually getting a better mental picture of the people who were in that audience trying to figure out what the hell was going on.

> Though Moz wears his fashion items well, the priest suit will surely be a
> hit in next year's Paris fashion week.
> The stage looks like a WWF disco wrestling arena.
> I prefer it when he performs Jesus live, it allows him to play with the
> lyrics a bit and it makes the performance more personal to me as a fan.

what do you expect? most of his shows are filled with enough people who know what's going on that we all understand that its a big joke shared amongst the lot of us that we all understand that morrissey is crazy and its a way of life that we fully accept. however, it sorta dies a bit outside of that setting because it involves trying to explain the joke, and nothing kills a joke like having to explain it.

> The expressions on his face are always amusing. Though I haven't seen his
> reaction to that Cat lady.

i don't know what it was either since i don't subscribe to this torrent business and i think i'm officially too old to figure it out and rely on the kindness of people with real video or who take still pictures, but if i were him, i would have totally gone for it. how often does one get freebies from attractive people? ok, he might get freebies nightly, but you've seen most of the people who would give him freebies. they don't look like Cat.

> I don't think he's spontaneous. I think he works hard to be witty, though
> others, no matter how much time they had on their hands, would never come
> up with the stuff he does.

yes, he does repeat his jokes often. "whoever gets the shirt gets me". in the old days he could get away with it, but now, since the advent of the internet, we know his dirty little secrets.

> Yeah, his hands must look like Robert DeNiro's in 'Cape Fear'.
> Nah, I think he has a good memory, but he does rehearse his comeback
> lines.
> Besides, he has a terrible handwriting.

he could type them on his hand.

> Maybe we should hire the guy who stole Johnny Marr's guitar a few years
> ago.
> The Killers' singer went through Boz's stuff and listened to the music of
> Quarry, it's all possible.
> I bet we'd be disappointed, it'd be full of vegetarian recipes.

i always need new quick and easy to fix recipes. right now, i subsist on TV dinners and soft tacos. once i burn out on the "mexican" food kick, god knows what i'll be forced to try to add to my diet for variety as i'm burned out on fake chicken patties.

> It would be easier to sell on e-bay, than the Mona Lise, that's true.

who would want to sell it? i wouldn't even share it or let anyone know that i had it...except for making jokes about it that absolutely nobody would believe.

"oh yeah...YOU have his demo tape..."

 

[nonesoever]

> yes, that's what they generally do in between combat, but they do go to
> bootcamp and they do play wargames that simulate real combat
> situations....

Sadistic sergeant does not make for real combat. Real combat is being shot by your fellow men in the back, or being air raided by your own airforce.

> it's a metal concert. cameras aren't made of metal. guns are.

Yeah, metal concerts sure simulate real combat situations.
But seriously how many of them really go to combat? If you ever seen
that TV show JAG, you'd know the army needs a LOT of cutbacks.

> i don't know what was up with that. the person booking his tour is a
> mixture of a genius and a putz.

Oh, you mean Morrissey books his own tour?

> either that, or someone is biting off more than they can chew....maybe he
> wanted to cram everything in there to get off the road as quickly as
> possible, but if that's the case, they might as well reduce the number of
> shows.

Nah, I think Morrissey enjoys the shows, they should have just stretched them out over a longer period.
I on the other hand would have surely crammed them in.

> as i said, it's the ying and the yang. for years we had to suffer through,
> "he's signed to the label that uses 7-11 as their distribution
> points" rumors and now, it's the opposite with "he's had enough
> and is retiring..."

He could have signed with 7-11? wow? What a missed opportunity, seriously.
Well from the psychological standpoint it does make sense, you always go into things, only to realize you don't really want to do them.
But seeing that the 7 years break was somewhat voluntary, I think he really wanted to come back, as he had enough time sitting at home with Nancy.
Funny how they both want to make it clear the other one is the one who initiated the relationship. On the Wright interview yesterday, he said she called him and asked him to come to her hotel and on the Ross interview she said he called her hotel, etc. Such big egos.

> i know what some people's thoughts are on Harry Potter, so forgive my
> comparisons.... however, there is a really excellent fan website called
> www.mugglenet.com that is basically the harry potter version of this
> website in that it caters to the obsessives that need their artist-related
> news everyday...and i don't care for 79% of it because i generally don't
> care if it is the guy who played the wizard who sold Harry his first
> wand's birthday. still, i can't really make a comment as to what
> constitutes acceptable news for others. likewise, the author herself has
> responded with her own website which she addresses rumors and has some
> interaction with the mugglenet website and so forth. it just feels so
> peculiar to have such an interaction like that since morrissey has for so
> long operated under the dogma of being very hands off when it comes to his
> internet fanbase. i guess it will take a while to see if it is a good
> thing or not.

I see you're becoming a Harry addict.
I always stand amazed at how nonsense become the focal point of people's life, I mean Harry f***ing Potter.
Being an avid fan of Morrissey now seems rather normal.

JK must be thankful, Morrissey's personality makes him somewhat more ungrateful, but only seemingly.
Considering the communication in his personal life is rather lacking, I think Internet interaction is too much to expect, though usually it makes personal interaction easier for people. But with him, everyone would know it's him, so it lacks purpose. Besides, there must be some distance between him and his fans, otherwise the relationship would be ruined. I mean, it's like seeing him naked.
He talks about it in the 'Public Image', we don't really want to meet the other person he is.

> slitting throats is messy. and there is no point for an elevator because
> you can slit their throat anywhere.

The elevator is a must, how are you going to make them listen to the song otherwise? God knows it won't be played on radio.
I'd do the throat slitting the Steven Seagal way, or I'll hire Morrissey to do it.

> reagan. the actor who became a president.

Who's he?

> i don't think that morrissey needs a death threat. i think he needs
> something more positive like a "Live Threat" as in "for the
> love of god, move on and live your life and stop worrying about this
> crap.....or else..."

I think he gets those all the time. But I can see how it can work for me.

> its kinda too late in the game to worry about what MTV thinks of you when
> you've been around for over 20 years.

He's only human. Don't say you don't regret things you've said to people 20 years ago and worry about what they might have thought about you.
It's in our nature, 'I am human and I need to be loved'.
'MTV, do you hate me?'.
That's why I like Jesus so much, the all 'do you hate me?' part is spot on.

I'm a bit mad in that respect, I just wish I could start my life from scratch.
It's the same way with our body, you can scar and blemish it so easily.

> i don't get to see the show here in america, so i can only imagine what it
> looks like based upon the very fuzzy images i was getting with the real
> video stream. i'm actually getting a better mental picture of the people
> who were in that audience trying to figure out what the hell was going on.

Neither do I. I watched the real video, only I have DSL so it wasn't as fuzzy.
In the eyes of people outside of his fan base I'm sure it wasn't a very exciting performance. It seems like a very odd show to me in general.
See an image capture I took below, it looks like a prison yard.

> what do you expect? most of his shows are filled with enough people who
> know what's going on that we all understand that its a big joke shared
> amongst the lot of us that we all understand that morrissey is crazy and
> its a way of life that we fully accept. however, it sorta dies a bit
> outside of that setting because it involves trying to explain the joke,
> and nothing kills a joke like having to explain it.

Well in a way it's true, but it also depends on the song, a more upbeat
song usually gets people going (they don't listen to the lyrics anyway).
Music can disarm people, as even if you dislike the person performing,
the song can still be catchy and you won't be able to resist.
Though you are left ashamed and violated. Take for example
Alanis Morrisette's line "you already won me over, in spite of me …
I couldn't help it, it's all your fault".
Luckily her material is usually awful, making it easier to despise her.

> i don't know what it was either since i don't subscribe to this torrent
> business and i think i'm officially too old to figure it out and rely on
> the kindness of people with real video or who take still pictures, but if
> i were him, i would have totally gone for it. how often does one get
> freebies from attractive people? ok, he might get freebies nightly, but
> you've seen most of the people who would give him freebies. they don't
> look like Cat.

The torrent business is really simple, the only catch is you need a fast
connection, cause the files are usually quite large.

Yes, Cat is hot. I don't know why she left MTV for CD:UK, I only remiss
I can't see her more often. I think she's very fond of Morrissey (maybe she's a fan).
It's so typical of us Morrissey fans to be so superficial.

> yes, he does repeat his jokes often. "whoever gets the shirt gets
> me". in the old days he could get away with it, but now, since the
> advent of the internet, we know his dirty little secrets.

But still the ones he has are brilliant and he does come up with new ones (Morrissey after singing I Like You: "This song is called ..." audience: "I like You", Morrissey: "no, it's called I hate you").
I also love the one which goes, fans: 'Morrissey thank you for all the great music you've given us" Morrissey: "I didn't mean to".

He can definitely tell a joke, his timing is excellent.

> he could type them on his hand.

Ouch!

> i always need new quick and easy to fix recipes. right now, i subsist on
> TV dinners and soft tacos. once i burn out on the "mexican" food
> kick, god knows what i'll be forced to try to add to my diet for variety
> as i'm burned out on fake chicken patties.

Eat healthier foods, salads, etc.
The key is to diversify, like tacos and chicken patties alternately,
Otherwise you can burn out yourself on anything, chocolate, everything.
Our body is such an incredible machine. Obviously it doesn't work as well
with drugs …
That must be a plus with touring, you eat something somewhere different everyday.

> who would want to sell it? i wouldn't even share it or let anyone know
> that i had it...except for making jokes about it that absolutely nobody
> would believe.

> "oh yeah...YOU have his demo tape..."

That almost makes me believe some people here have stole his demos.
It's hard to resist sharing. Things are pretty pointless in life, without
someone to share things with. It is impossible to validate one's greatness,
without someone to acknowledge it. Though usually people have
a completely different perception of us, than we have of our self.
Morrissey is so lucky!

 

[suzanne]

> Sadistic sergeant does not make for real combat. Real combat is being shot
> by your fellow men in the back, or being air raided by your own airforce.

or have your satellite technology malfunction and think that you are firing on the enemy

> Yeah, metal concerts sure simulate real combat situations.
> But seriously how many of them really go to combat? If you ever seen
> that TV show JAG, you'd know the army needs a LOT of cutbacks.

not a whole lot go to combat, but they do other things such as work with the intelligence that comes in, or they hang around on one of the many military bases just in case something happens...

and god knows why we need a military base in Shannon, Ireland or most other places except that it provides us with a good place to refuel when we are bombing the crap out of the middle east.

when you think about it, it is strange. France doesn't have any military bases in the US. Nor does Germany or the UK.

> Oh, you mean Morrissey books his own tour?

> Nah, I think Morrissey enjoys the shows, they should have just stretched
> them out over a longer period.
> I on the other hand would have surely crammed them in.

stretching things out would obviously cost more money because that is more that you have to pay for having the crew and band hang around.

i think it could have been argued that the tour could have been shorter. Did philidelphia and Miami need two nights apiece? Did South Bend need to happen at all?

when the tour dates were announced, i wondered at the likelihood at the Texas dates just because they were at the tail end of all of that other stuff. Just from the fact that he canceled El Paso and simply packed it in after Ft Worth, i think that in itself is proof that maybe he needed a breather and had been on the road for too long.

> He could have signed with 7-11? wow? What a missed opportunity, seriously.
> Well from the psychological standpoint it does make sense, you always go
> into things, only to realize you don't really want to do them.
> But seeing that the 7 years break was somewhat voluntary, I think he
> really wanted to come back, as he had enough time sitting at home with
> Nancy.

maybe. i think that a situation like Sanctuary needed to exist for the likes of him. i keep thinking about his vanity label and like Madonna, he needs to sign his own alanis morrissette for that puppy to take off. until that point, they are generally going to regard that thing as a pet project to keep him happy...

and maybe he's ok with that. of course i can't ask him, but i'm sure he's been dying to inflict James Maker on the world for quite some time in any way he can.

> Funny how they both want to make it clear the other one is the one who
> initiated the relationship. On the Wright interview yesterday, he said she
> called him and asked him to come to her hotel and on the Ross interview
> she said he called her hotel, etc. Such big egos.

next thing you know, their egos will grow so massive that they will say, "I have no idea who this person is and why they keep name dropping me."

> I see you're becoming a Harry addict.
> I always stand amazed at how nonsense become the focal point of people's
> life, I mean Harry f***ing Potter.
> Being an avid fan of Morrissey now seems rather normal.

ha! it's almost one and the same...

well, no, not really. if i were a 14 year old girl, it could totally be my thing because the movies are full of boys about that age....about the only fair game for me is Alan Rickman and the guy who plays the Weasley father. not very good pickings, is it? its not the same category as lusting after a man who is 15 years my senior and who likes to run around in priest garb while singing pop songs.

All i have are the books. I got sucked into them because i thought that maybe i could start writing kids books, but realized that i was an old lady and it had been years since i've read anything and decided to find out what was popular with the kids of today....and i don't think i learned a damn thing from it except that i'm now waiting for book 6 to come out.

> JK must be thankful, Morrissey's personality makes him somewhat more
> ungrateful, but only seemingly.
> Considering the communication in his personal life is rather lacking, I
> think Internet interaction is too much to expect, though usually it makes
> personal interaction easier for people. But with him, everyone would know
> it's him, so it lacks purpose. Besides, there must be some distance
> between him and his fans, otherwise the relationship would be ruined. I
> mean, it's like seeing him naked.
> He talks about it in the 'Public Image', we don't really want to meet the
> other person he is.

i think he tried reaching out for a while, but i think he has taken the role of active reader. occasionally, there would be communiques with david t and so forth, but that's all completely gone now. even on his own official website he says very very little, and that is actually hallowed ground where he could be as relatively impersonal and direct the comments to absolutely nobody in particular if he likes...

but then again, this is the morrissey i know. the post 1994 morrissey, and it's such a norm now because i've rooted myself here so steadfastly that when i go to other artist websites for investigational purposes and see personal touches from the artists themselves, it's a bit of a shock to see it.

but then, it could be like Andy Rourke's website where he asks Johnny Rogan to make some intro remarks which i found very odd.

> The elevator is a must, how are you going to make them listen to the song
> otherwise? God knows it won't be played on radio.
> I'd do the throat slitting the Steven Seagal way, or I'll hire Morrissey
> to do it.

> Who's he?

he's in a box in the ground...

> I think he gets those all the time. But I can see how it can work for me.

maybe the Live threats can include nudie pics or an undiscovered Oscar Wilde play....something to get his heart racing.

> He's only human. Don't say you don't regret things you've said to people
> 20 years ago and worry about what they might have thought about you.

i was 10 years old. i'm sure that i was a perpetual mis-step of social norms...

> It's in our nature, 'I am human and I need to be loved'.
> 'MTV, do you hate me?'.
> That's why I like Jesus so much, the all 'do you hate me?' part is spot
> on.

it's also good for scaring the kids.

> I'm a bit mad in that respect, I just wish I could start my life from
> scratch.
> It's the same way with our body, you can scar and blemish it so easily.

i think that i need to redo the last 30 years all over again...

> Well in a way it's true, but it also depends on the song, a more upbeat
> song usually gets people going (they don't listen to the lyrics anyway).
> Music can disarm people, as even if you dislike the person performing,
> the song can still be catchy and you won't be able to resist.
> Though you are left ashamed and violated. Take for example
> Alanis Morrisette's line "you already won me over, in spite of me …
> I couldn't help it, it's all your fault".
> Luckily her material is usually awful, making it easier to despise her.

i actually kinda like her stuff even if i've never owned an album.

> The torrent business is really simple, the only catch is you need a fast
> connection, cause the files are usually quite large.

i think that's the problem. i've had modem problems up until recently, but even so, at 56k, i could be there waiting for it to finish downloading until they start playing it on PBS as part of a "remember the 00's" part of their annual pledge drive.

> Yes, Cat is hot. I don't know why she left MTV for CD:UK, I only remiss
> I can't see her more often. I think she's very fond of Morrissey (maybe
> she's a fan).

i don't fault her. you know...the body guards can't tackle her because she's a presenter and all that, so she had a clear open shot at it.

> But still the ones he has are brilliant and he does come up with new ones
> (Morrissey after singing I Like You: "This song is called ..."
> audience: "I like You", Morrissey: "no, it's called I hate
> you").
> I also love the one which goes, fans: 'Morrissey thank you for all the
> great music you've given us" Morrissey: "I didn't mean to".

he's such a great liar

> He can definitely tell a joke, his timing is excellent.

> Ouch!

> Eat healthier foods, salads, etc.
> The key is to diversify, like tacos and chicken patties alternately,
> Otherwise you can burn out yourself on anything, chocolate, everything.
> Our body is such an incredible machine. Obviously it doesn't work as well
> with drugs …

i will never EVER burn out on chocolate. i could get tired of consuming it in that one sitting that i just ate a handful of ghirardelli snack sized bars, but eventually, in a couple of hours, i could easily seek out more.

> That must be a plus with touring, you eat something somewhere different
> everyday.

i could eat something new and different around here. right now, i could go for some Indian food.

> That almost makes me believe some people here have stole his demos.
> It's hard to resist sharing. Things are pretty pointless in life, without
> someone to share things with. It is impossible to validate one's
> greatness,

no, i don't need any of you people to validate my greatness.

> without someone to acknowledge it. Though usually people have
> a completely different perception of us, than we have of our self.
> Morrissey is so lucky!

i don't think that with all of the demo tapes in the world i could become queen of anything...

 

[nonesoever]

> or have your satellite technology malfunction and think that you are
> firing on the enemy

They are firing on purpose, it's ok to gun down civilians.

> not a whole lot go to combat, but they do other things such as work with
> the intelligence that comes in, or they hang around on one of the many
> military bases just in case something happens...

Like they'd really know what to do if something happens.
The US has no (military) intelligence you should have known this by now.
That JAG guy cost the Navy millions, he crashed his share of jet fighters.

> and god knows why we need a military base in Shannon, Ireland or most
> other places except that it provides us with a good place to refuel when
> we are bombing the crap out of the middle east.

Status Quo's song "In The Army Now" comes to mind: "Now you remember what the draft man said, nothing to all day but stay in bed / A vacation in a foreign land, Uncle Sam does the best he can"

The US foreign bases are what made Coca Cola a multinational back in WW2, so
I guess they help American corporations. And besides you can't trust those Germans.

> when you think about it, it is strange. France doesn't have any military
> bases in the US. Nor does Germany or the UK.

Well the US isn't adjacent to any strategic targets, if you exclude Canada.
And the US didn't start world wars.

> stretching things out would obviously cost more money because that is more
> that you have to pay for having the crew and band hang around.

It's all about the money isn't it? But Morrissey doesn't pay his band and crew anyway

> i think it could have been argued that the tour could have been shorter.
> Did philidelphia and Miami need two nights apiece? Did South Bend need to
> happen at all?

Well it makes sense to do a second show in Pedophilia, if you're already there, money-wise.
Economically Morrissey has just a handful of cities he should play in the US,
so it's surprising that he even does a tour of the US.

> when the tour dates were announced, i wondered at the likelihood at the
> Texas dates just because they were at the tail end of all of that other
> stuff. Just from the fact that he canceled El Paso and simply packed it in
> after Ft Worth, i think that in itself is proof that maybe he needed a
> breather and had been on the road for too long.

I hope he opens with Texas next time. He was probably in Houston, so he could have drove the extra mile, though it's the hardest.

> maybe. i think that a situation like Sanctuary needed to exist for the
> likes of him. i keep thinking about his vanity label and like Madonna, he
> needs to sign his own alanis morrissette for that puppy to take off. until
> that point, they are generally going to regard that thing as a pet project
> to keep him happy...

I really don't think giving him a label cost them anything, so it's probably just Morrissey needing an excuse to sign, but eventually this deal was a success story all round. He has a reason to be happy.

> and maybe he's ok with that. of course i can't ask him, but i'm sure he's
> been dying to inflict James Maker on the world for quite some time in any
> way he can.

Yes, the new "Hand In Glove".

> next thing you know, their egos will grow so massive that they will say,
> "I have no idea who this person is and why they keep name dropping
> me."

I can certainly see that happening. Things would have been different had Nancy enjoyed chart success. I'm sure it would dampen the relationship.

> ha! it's almost one and the same...

Yeah right, idolizing Harry Potter vs. Morrissey, lets see ...
Would you have idolized Harry if he were powerless? Thought not.

> well, no, not really. if i were a 14 year old girl, it could totally be my
> thing because the movies are full of boys about that age....about the only
> fair game for me is Alan Rickman and the guy who plays the Weasley father.
> not very good pickings, is it? its not the same category as lusting after
> a man who is 15 years my senior and who likes to run around in priest garb
> while singing pop songs.

That was all that you thought about at that age, boys?
But I think that old magician has a big inheritance ...
Hey, you could do much worse than Moz.

> All i have are the books. I got sucked into them because i thought that
> maybe i could start writing kids books, but realized that i was an old
> lady and it had been years since i've read anything and decided to find
> out what was popular with the kids of today....and i don't think i learned
> a damn thing from it except that i'm now waiting for book 6 to come out.

Madonna just released her children book, I'm sure she had no problem stooping to that level. Well, she has kids, but her kids are probably spoiled millionaires:
"And than the evil midget went back to his secure mansion, surrounded with his bodyguards, while the people of the town starved to death".

I think kids always remain the same up to a certain age. I mean when they're little you can read them a cookbook and it would have the same effect on them.

You're anxiously waiting for the sixth book to come out?
The previous books probably disrupted the receptors in your brain. We should get you into rehab. These books should be outlawed, I've the damage they can do.

> i think he tried reaching out for a while, but i think he has taken the
> role of active reader. occasionally, there would be communiques with david
> t and so forth, but that's all completely gone now. even on his own
> official website he says very very little, and that is actually hallowed
> ground where he could be as relatively impersonal and direct the comments
> to absolutely nobody in particular if he likes...

I always thought the writs he sent out were a desperate cry for attention.
"Why can't they see the love in our eyes, when they are handed our writs?"

Well, he's trying to maintain the mystery and aura, it's an old trick.
I mean we'd think less of him if we'd converse with him daily.
When he pops out it needs to be an event.

> but then again, this is the morrissey i know. the post 1994 morrissey, and
> it's such a norm now because i've rooted myself here so steadfastly that
> when i go to other artist websites for investigational purposes and see
> personal touches from the artists themselves, it's a bit of a shock to see
> it.

Really? Was he more open pre 1994?
But you see, you don't hold other artists in such high regard.

> but then, it could be like Andy Rourke's website where he asks Johnny
> Rogan to make some intro remarks which i found very odd.

> he's in a box in the ground...

> maybe the Live threats can include nudie pics or an undiscovered Oscar
> Wilde play....something to get his heart racing.

I think that big boobs gal gave him one of Wilde's first editions.
It seems like it's working.

> i was 10 years old. i'm sure that i was a perpetual mis-step of social
> norms...

Well, I think one pretty much ascertain his or her place in society by that age.
I know I have.

> it's also good for scaring the kids.

Any Morrissey song would do the trick.
He sure scared me as a kid.

> i think that i need to redo the last 30 years all over again...

That's exactly how I feel! Though I really wouldn't know how to live it differently.

> i actually kinda like her stuff even if i've never owned an album.

Maybe there's a reason for you not having any one of her albums.
An album would probably change your mind.
She, like many other artists, has nothing to add to her first album.
Kind of a novelty act.

> i think that's the problem. i've had modem problems up until recently, but
> even so, at 56k, i could be there waiting for it to finish downloading
> until they start playing it on PBS as part of a "remember the
> 00's" part of their annual pledge drive.

DSL or cable surely doesn't cost too much. I guess the move is worth it if you spend enough time in a month using the Internet. Though at first you feel compelled to use it more, cause you have so much bandwidth than before. But one can download TV show and movies, music, etc. It's an handful.

> i don't fault her. you know...the body guards can't tackle her because
> she's a presenter and all that, so she had a clear open shot at it.

Thank God she's not an assassin.

> he's such a great liar

You're right!
That's probably the most important ingredient.
But I hope he doesn't use it for unmerited purposes.

> i will never EVER burn out on chocolate. i could get tired of consuming it
> in that one sitting that i just ate a handful of ghirardelli snack sized
> bars, but eventually, in a couple of hours, i could easily seek out more.

Well chocolate is addictive, but I'm really burnt out on it.
I have a theory that eating a little piece is enough, continuing to eat more doesn't contribute anything to the enjoyment. It's true to all foods, the first taste gives you the flavor, afterwards there's no more sensation, no matter how much you consume of the same food.

It is also a known fact that taste mainly comes from scent and not from the taste buds, which only detect three flavors, sweet, sour and salty (spicy is not a flavor, it's a sensation).
That's why when you have a cold nothing has taste.

Besides I find that boredom is the most important factor in people eating when they shouldn't.

> i could eat something new and different around here. right now, i could go
> for some Indian food.

Make sure it's good Indian food, otherwise it's just a spicy mess.

> no, i don't need any of you people to validate my greatness.

Well if you ever need self validation, I'm here.

> i don't think that with all of the demo tapes in the world i could become
> queen of anything...

You'd be surprised how you turn into a magnet when you have something people want. (Yes I'm talking about my body)

 

[chattermouth]

What are you talking about? Alan Rickman is HOT! (And I am serious, too.)

 

[suzanne]

Re: What are you talking about? Alan Rickman is HOT! (And I am serious, too.)

i have a friend that would agree with you, and i agree that he's cool as an actor...but that's about it. the only truly evil type that does it for me is morrissey.

well, i suppose in the scheme of the harry potter movies that he's a lot more desirable than Michael Gambon.

 

[Republican Party Reptile]

> "Dimebag" Darrell Abbott, founding member and former guitarist
> for heavy metal rock band Pantera, was shot and killed today on-stage
> while performing with his band current band, Damageplan, in Columbus,
> Ohio.

> Dimebag, despite being considered the best metal guitarist of the 90's,
> was a huge fan of the Smiths and Morrissey, often citing them as one of
> his favorite bands. He is also credited to introducing the Smiths to Flea
> of the Red Hot Chili Peppers. In the early 90's, Pantera even recorded a
> Smiths cover, which was slated as a b-side to a UK single, but which ended
> up never getting released.

> Let's have a moment of silence and respect for this great musician felled
> by tragic circumstances and one of our own, a true Morrissey fan.

Oh, cool, so with his death maybe they'll have a record company meeting and decide to release that Smiths cover!

 

[Republican Party Reptile]

BTW, I don't know if anyone knows this, but Morrissey's guitarist Jesse was a Chili Pepper

I never saw it on the news page.

Jesse was briefly a member of the Red Hot Chili Peppers. They never recorded anything with him, and he was fired for "personality differences" right before Dave Navarro came on board. He also was nominated for an Emmy once.

Not that it matters much, because my sense is he's just playing with Morrissey as a hired gun to make a little dough before going back with his wife's band. But if he was good enough for Flea to wanna hire him, he must have a lot more guitar chops than we realize. (He probably also looks good wearing nothing but a sock on his crotch.) Alain, you'd better hurry back before Morrissey makes Jesse an offer he can't refuse!

 

[Republican Party Reptile]

Will Morrissey one day have an all-Yank band??

 

[Otherwise, yea! I'm next in line for a stringed in]

If there's a god in heaven! Except let's keep Boz, because he's pretty cool.

 

[Colleen1962]

Re: BTW, I don't know if anyone knows this, but Morrissey's guitarist Jesse was a Chili Pepper

> I never saw it on the news page.

> Jesse was briefly a member of the Red Hot Chili Peppers. They never
> recorded anything with him, and he was fired for "personality
> differences" right before Dave Navarro came on board. He also was
> nominated for an Emmy once.

> Not that it matters much, because my sense is he's just playing with
> Morrissey as a hired gun to make a little dough before going back with his
> wife's band. But if he was good enough for Flea to wanna hire him, he must
> have a lot more guitar chops than we realize. (He probably also looks good
> wearing nothing but a sock on his crotch.) Alain, you'd better hurry back
> before Morrissey makes Jesse an offer he can't refuse!
Amen, RPR! I am sure, as every other Moz fan out there wonders,"what REALLY happened to Alain" We will probably never know.