...and furthermore

[now that I'm getting over my initial nausea...]

1. This thread was about the spamming of the chat. Which Angerbauer apparently admits to.

He disabled the chatroom for three days.

Any thoughts on that, David?

2. Explain to me how Alan and Jennifer's behavior differs from Freeyourself's, except that they have been sycophantic toward you, and he has insulted you.

I'm waiting.

 

[davidt]

> 1. This thread was about the spamming of the chat. Which Angerbauer
> apparently admits to.

> He disabled the chatroom for three days.

> Any thoughts on that, David?

> 2. Explain to me how Alan and Jennifer's behavior differs from
> Freeyourself's, except that they have been sycophantic toward you, and he
> has insulted you.

> I'm waiting.

I did not hear about the chatroom being disabled, why didn't someone say something? People were using it throughout those three days, so how could it be disabled?

I have not heard anyone complain about their behavior apart from yourself. Anyone else want to back up the claims?

It wasn't me who banned your ip, it was a different moderator earlier in the day who mistook it for Freeyourself.

 

[ask a person a question, ban their ISP, get a misp]

"I did not hear about the chatroom being disabled, why didn't someone say something? People were using it throughout those three days, so how could it be disabled?"

David, someone did say something. I did. Are you in any way able to look at a chatroom transcript and see what happened during those three days? I made it clear in my earlier post: the chatroom was difficult to use for about three days. Finally, a second bot was introduced, and it became completely unusable. You and I were both there. We talked about it.

Why do we still seem to be discussing whether or not this even happened?

"I have not heard anyone complain about their behavior apart from yourself. Anyone else want to back up the claims?"

Is there a time limit before someone else can post about this, David? You seem to be in quite a hurry to rehabilitate the Angerbauers and to toss me into internet jail. Furthermore, you have presumably heard no one DENY their behavior aside from THEMSELVES. And have they denied it? If so, why are you simply taking their word for it? I've described nothing that the site administrator shouldn't be able to verify.

Did you see the spamming or not, David? Did Alan admit to it or not, David? Does that BOTHER you or not, David? And how is the deletion business different from the behavior of Paul which got him suspended from using the site?

 

[david hear me out]

alan and jehne should both be banned from this site

> I did not hear about the chatroom being disabled, why didn't someone say
> something? People were using it throughout those three days, so how could
> it be disabled?

> I have not heard anyone complain about their behavior apart from yourself.
> Anyone else want to back up the claims?

> It wasn't me who banned your ip, it was a different moderator earlier in
> the day who mistook it for Freeyourself.

it;s about time you realised what a bunch of manipulatives scumbags they are

 

[Paul/Freeyourself]

Yes, it's true I have insulted David Tseng.
I have done so on many occasions and with a great deal of enthusiasm.
I first insulted him when he failed to take action, and delete homophobic posts made against me, along with posts which claimed that I was a convicted paedophile, while at the same time deleting messages of mine posted in my own defence or as a result of extreme provocation.
This is back in the days when I was an innocent little internetter in the summer of 2004, naive to the ways of "internet trolls", and visited this site simply to interact with other Morrissey admirers.
I emailed him several times and appealed to him via the Discussion Board, but David Tseng offered me no protection whatsoever, on the contrary, after I had discovered I could register my adversaries unregistered troll aliases, and then delete their vicious posts, he banned me from the site and has waged a determined campaign for the best part of a year, and deleted or marked down to -1, so they will not be seen by most users, virtually every post I have made since.
He also allowed a Guestbook user to post vile homophobic filth for over a year and ignored all my entreaties to him to put a stop to it.
His response was to once again delete my posts attacking the homophobe, while leaving his intact.
So if David Tseng thinks it's acceptable for a visitor to his site to be abused and insulted in this manner, and doesn't appreciate the fact that homophobia has no place on a Morrissey site, then I don't believe he is a fit person to run this site.
I have used his ethnicity as a way of making him feel the same hurt and humiliation that I, and many other gay people, have had to endure on his site.
Je ne regrette rien.

For him then to say :

"From what I understand, Alan was scrolling off messages because people were posting private information such as work addresses. Seems to make sense to me."

and give his support to the perpetrator really is hypocrisy of the lowest order.

 

[Paul/Freeyourself]

What manner of hysteria bedevils this accursed place??

 

[davidt]

When did you send the emails and what email address did you use? I don't recall getting any. Were you specific in what posts you wanted me to look at?

 

[reality check]

Chat room trolling...

The chat room was never disabled.

If you are not freeyourself, than you must be Morrithey or Belligerent Cruel -- the other instigators, abusers, stalkers, trollers, spammers, bullies... whatever you want to call them. Bottom line is that you and your cronies have been obsessively harassing the users of this site for months, perhaps years. Colleen, Karen, Laura, Alan, Lon, myself and many others have had sexist, anti-Semitic, and degrading insults hurled our way, simply for being vocal members of Solo.

Belligerent Ghoul is the most pathetic of the lot. He is THE WOLF in sheep's clothing if there ever was one. Playing nice with chatters while secretly instigating others to call child protective services on the other Soloists, threatening to bash my son's skull in, and trying to drive others to commit suicide.

These things have been archived by another user of this site.

It is all coming to a head now. There is freedom of speech and there is slander/abuse/stalking harassment. Nobody wants to be censored. But, just because you CAN say something, doesn't mean you SHOULD.

 

[david hear me out]

WILL YOU JUST SHUT THE f*** UP FOR ONCE WOMAN

> The chat room was never disabled.

> If you are not freeyourself, than you must be Morrithey or Belligerent
> Cruel -- the other instigators, abusers, stalkers, trollers, spammers,
> bullies... whatever you want to call them. Bottom line is that you and
> your cronies have been obsessively harassing the users of this site for
> months, perhaps years. Colleen, Karen, Laura, Alan, Lon, myself and many
> others have had sexist, anti-Semitic, and degrading insults hurled our
> way, simply for being vocal members of Solo.

> Belligerent Ghoul is the most pathetic of the lot. He is THE WOLF in
> sheep's clothing if there ever was one. Playing nice with chatters while
> secretly instigating others to call child protective services on the other
> Soloists, threatening to bash my son's skull in, and trying to drive
> others to commit suicide.

> These things have been archived by another user of this site.

> It is all coming to a head now. There is freedom of speech and there is
> slander/abuse/stalking harassment. Nobody wants to be censored. But, just
> because you CAN say something, doesn't mean you SHOULD.

YOU'RE THE BIGGEST TROUBLEMAKER HERE.

 

[heywood jablowme!!]

Can i just add my thoughts

It's pretty clear that the happy couple are in posession of the infamous video tape, and David, donkeys DO feel pain in their anus!

 

[But congratulations on your new post as site moder]

You are a liar, Jennifer Angerbauer.

"The chat room was never disabled."

More obfuscation. Alan's taught you well. Jennifer, do you deny that the bot that spammed the chat for three days was Alan's creation? Do you deny that there were two bots there Sunday? Only one could be put on ignore. It is ridiculous that the basic facts, about the robot, are still being debated: David Tseng and I were both there Sunday morning. Alan had pulled the bots immediately after I posted my board message about them.

You probably won't reply to this, though. You never do reply to a direct question about what you and Alan have been doing.

"Colleen, Karen, Laura, Alan, Lon, myself and many others have had sexist, anti-Semitic, and degrading insults hurled our way, simply for being vocal members of Solo."

Colleen is a lunatic. Karen is irrelevant to this. Laura gives as good as she takes. Alan is your puppeteer. Lon is also irrelevant to this.

You continue to call yourself outspoken and "vocal." You are not vocal about anything. You wouldn't know an idea if it landed on you. You recently called yourself a "learned social scientist" in your journal.

You dropped out of college after two weeks.

You're out of your mind, Jennifer.

"Belligerent Ghoul is the most pathetic of the lot."

He was your best internet friend for years until you declared: "I want to learn programming." Enter Alan Angerbauer.

You're as transparent as they come, Jenny.

"These things have been archived by another user of this site."

Gosh -- So Icey doesn't really put everyone on ignore? No, I guess that would interfere with her cybering, and her talk about S&M and ass play.

"But, just because you CAN say something, doesn't mean you SHOULD."

The question is whether or not you should be the one to determine what we can and can't say. You and Alan continue to dodge that question, as you dodge all other relevant questions.

Look forward to your reply. Keane lyrics? A copy-and-paste job from a light psych. mag?

Keep being "outspoken," little halfwit.

 

[Paul/Freeyourself]

Here's one email I sent you(obviously I've deleted the contents)I'll have a look for some more....

> When did you send the emails and what email address did you use? I don't
> recall getting any. Were you specific in what posts you wanted me to look
> at?

Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 00:15:57 +0000 (GMT)
From:
Subject: Discussion Board Troll
To: [email protected]

 

[Paul/Freeyourself]

Re: Here's another(contents deleted thrillseekers)

> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 00:15:57 +0000 (GMT)
> From:
> Subject: Discussion Board Troll
> To: [email protected]

Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 01:15:33 +0100 (BST)
From:
Subject:
To: [email protected]

 

[Paul/Freeyourself]

Re: Here's another(contents included because they are pertinent)

Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 18:31:49 +0100 (BST)
From:
Subject: homophobia on your site
To: [email protected]

David,
as you haven't shown me the courtesy of responding to
my questions on the site, perhaps you will be man
enough to respond to this email.
I have made my position clear regarding my attitude
towards homophobic posts being allowed to remain on
the site, be it the Guestbook or anywhere else.
You have been quick enough to delete my posts whenever
the content of them has offended you, so why did it
take my intervention to draw attention to the
homophobia that blights the Guestbook in particular?
Rain Man has been allowed to post racist, homophobic
and just plain offensive messages on the Guestbook for
over two years, and he has NEVER been censured or
confronted by you.
You may not approve of my methods, when it comes to
getting your attention, but I am so heartily fed up of
the continuing double standards being applied.
I expect you to ignore this email, as I imagine that
you are hoping that the forthcoming Draconian measures
you are about to introduce will rid you of me once and
for all.
Most of the tinkering you have done with the site,
and, I suspect, most of the new changes you are
planning on introducing, have been aimed specifically
at preventing me from using this site.
Precisely because you have taken such a myopic
attitude, and become obsessed with my so-called
'abuses' of your site, you have completely lost
perspective and are now unable to see the forest for
the tree.
You may be the webmaster and site owner of
Morrissey-solo, but the fact that you have placed it
on the Web means that it now occupies a public space,
and I am perfectly entitled to visit, whether you like
it or not.
My point relating to your use of Morrissey's name,
while allowing such sickening homophobia to be
displayed, is a valid one.
I am sure he would be appalled by this.
Perhaps you are happy for that to be the case, as part
of your revenge for him cutting you out, due to
previous site content that he found personally
upsetting.
Anyway, just so you know, until I see evidence that
you are taking this matter seriously, I will continue
to combat it myself, using all means at my disposal.

 

[Paul/Freeyourself]

and another(contents included) we're beginning to see a pattern emerging...

Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 12:35:11 +0100 (BST)
From:
Subject: bogus posts and vile abuse
To: [email protected]

David, this is the third email I have sent you
recently, and you have yet to do me the courtesy of
responding.
I noticed that you cleared the guestbook last night,
so i see how simple it is for you to do, therefore,
can i request that you clear it again as the two
posters known as rain man and 'stephen' have continued
their campaign to misrepresent me by posting several
bogus messages using my screen name, that contain vile
and unacceptable abuse.
This is yet another appeal to you to take
responsibility for what is on your site.
If you clear the guestbook, I will not post in there
again, and i will hope that you will delete the
homophobic and twisted posts made by rain man in
particular, such as the one on the board at this
minute calling for "queers" to be blown apart by nail
bombs and urging others to do such things.
How can you allow such things on your website?
Hopefully you will intervene and clear the guestbook
of such repellent content.
I only post in their to defend my reputation and to
establish that the bogus posts are not mine and that i
don't share the views of the person responsible.

'rain man' is hacking into your site, he has admitted
to hacking into my computer, and altering posts and
manipulating the sites content.
He is either doing this alone, or you are colluding
with him to discredit me, for some bizarre reason.
Nothing that goes on on this website would surprise
me.
Anyway, I wanted it to be a matter of public record
that i have made this appeal, and hopefully you will
remove the offensive posts and regulate the site with
greater urgency in the future.
Thank You.

 

[Paul/Freeyourself]

here's another. Now say you never got my emails David.What you didn't do is respond to them.

Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 21:11:52 +0100 (BST)
From:
Subject: rain man
To: [email protected]

David,

I don't know if you are party to it, but I know
that rain man is somehow hacking in to alter posts on
the guestbook.
I have offered to stop posting on there if his
homophobic posts and hateful slurs against gay people
is moderated off of the GB.
All that has happened is that he seems to have carte
blanche to do and say as he pleases, while my posts
are removed.
I can't help but conclude that you are coluding with
him.
Why?
Either way, I will only stop flooding the GB after he
is dealt with.
Once again I urge you to take some responsibility for
the content of your site.
Many gay men and lesbians visit it, and allowing rain
mans vile posts to remain is an insult to each and
every one of them, not to mention the majority of
hetero morrissey fans who i'm sure are appalled by
this.
I won't even mention how Morrissey feels when he hears
about the homophobic posts.
rain man is causing the problems, all you have to do
is warn him and the problem goes away, and so do I.

 

[davidt]

Re: here's another. Now say you never got my emails David.What you didn't do is respond to them.

Looking through my records - I did receive this one from May 2 but I did not receive the others. It is possible the others did not get through my spam filter.

> Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 21:11:52 +0100 (BST)
> From:
> Subject: rain man
> To: [email protected]

> David,

> I don't know if you are party to it, but I know
> that rain man is somehow hacking in to alter posts on
> the guestbook.
> I have offered to stop posting on there if his
> homophobic posts and hateful slurs against gay people
> is moderated off of the GB.
> All that has happened is that he seems to have carte
> blanche to do and say as he pleases, while my posts
> are removed.
> I can't help but conclude that you are coluding with
> him.
> Why?
> Either way, I will only stop flooding the GB after he
> is dealt with.
> Once again I urge you to take some responsibility for
> the content of your site.
> Many gay men and lesbians visit it, and allowing rain
> mans vile posts to remain is an insult to each and
> every one of them, not to mention the majority of
> hetero morrissey fans who i'm sure are appalled by
> this.
> I won't even mention how Morrissey feels when he hears
> about the homophobic posts.
> rain man is causing the problems, all you have to do
> is warn him and the problem goes away, and so do I.

 

[Paul/Freeyourself]

No David, that's highly improbable.5 million to 1 chance of that I'd say.

 

[reality check]

OK, right. I am a liar still...even when you realize I am telling the truth???

Please make up your mind.

I am not a moderator of this site -- never was and never wish to be.

BG was not my internet friend for years.

He brags that trolling is an art. And, that not only is he the most valuable contributor of the news, but the most revered troll of solo. Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde?

I have a BA in sociology, FYI. Google for it, if ya want proof. Hell, you guys found my brother's memorial guest book. This should be a piece of cake.

 

[I realize that you are nuts, little Jenny]

Liar, liar, straight-jacket on fire...

"I am not a moderator of this site -- never was and never wish to be."

The point, you poor thing, was that you've been acting as one. Without prior authorization from David. You've been censoring posts. And Alan spammed the chat, every few seconds, 24 hours a day, for three straight days. Or didn't he?

"BG was not my internet friend for years."

Yes, he was.

"He brags that trolling is an art. And, that not only is he the most valuable contributor of the news, but the most revered troll of solo. Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde?"

Then perhaps you shouldn't have accepted gifts from him through the mail. CDs, DVDs? Remember?

"I have a BA in sociology, FYI. Google for it, if ya want proof. Hell, you
guys found my brother's memorial guest book. This should be a piece of cake."

What university, please?