'The Queen Is Dead' @ 25 - The Independent

Because he got lazy, sat around for 15 years doing session work and taking drugs with Bernard Sumner, then decided he wanted a solo career and was left with no choice but to jump on the wagon of every 'cool' modern band that would have him. None of that takes away from the fact that he was the absolute core of The Smiths. He just got lazy, that's all.

firstly he choose to do session work.
Talking Heads/The Pretenders-[Chissy Hynde band, also did backing vocals on Morrissey solo song and is in 'Sing your Life' video]/The The ... that was his best period
he should've stayed around Matt Johnson, whose carreer is over for a decade../Brian Ferry, great riffs/
Electronic was a mistake, it was more Sumner idea's, Johnny's typical guitar got sampled and via a keyboard got all kinda sounds,
He was around creating some bands, was close with the Gallagher bro's, did some
producing with young promising bands, Manchester area .
Than the HEALERS, ok, but he shoudl've add a singer f/m , not himself

So Amy, Johnny is not that lazy after the split, and the Queen is Dead is a classic
album but not the Smiths best, my fave is Meat is Murder, the 4 Smiths members all
say ' Strangeways here we come'

Anyway, 25 years, the album is timeless .

The Smiths too

some girls are bigger than others
 
Americans prefer morrissey to the smiths because they simply don't get it.
You have to be northern to appreciate it ( English, at least ). Fact.
Greatest, most inspirational band ever.
 
I loved record stores... they saved my life. LUCKILY, in California, we have a record shop in 2011 that was as good as they were in the 80s!

I prefer a digital format. I buy vinyl if they screw up the CD mastering, which is most of the time these days thanks to the loudness wars.
 

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Top 10 reasons to abhor Celibate:

1 Celibate ruined one of The Smiths songs I most enjoyed listening to from beginning to finish, from the pent up emotional beginning to the strained vocal yodellings towards the end. "But how?" I hear you ask. By naming himself after a lyric from this previously most precious of songs. Every time I hear those warm, loving words "The hills are alive with celibate cries" and I see some hideous pile of lard covered in pubic hairs, reclining on a dirty floor surrounded by kylie records with "hot and "cum" emblazoned on his grotesque face, pulling some revolting "homoerotic" pout. It's a little like pre-emptive nausea when you're on the way to the hospital for chemotherapy. Even the *thought* of those words towards the end of the song makes me nauseated these days. I often reach for the track skip function as late as I can bear to, without risking having to hear those words.

2 Celibate has the personality of a vicious poisonous old queen, who spends all his time bitching and looking at porn.

3 Celibate is apparently dating a man "with form." I think you know what I mean.

4 Celibate is obese and smells like moth balls, yet he acts like he's some sexy young superstud. Yucky.

5 Celibate is into the "bear scene" - this means he likes to dress up like a gimp and meet other fat, ugly men for halitosis-ridden kisses, and fungal foot play.

6 Have you seen that pic of him on the floor with "hot and "cum" on his face? Hahahahaha

7 Celibate is a vile racist who uses terms like "chink" and also happens to be a bit of a pervert. A disgusting combination, frankly. The contents of his typing probably reflect the contents of his mind. Not a pleasant thought.

8 Celibate sits on his fat arse typing messages to himself and registering IDs on this forum for 20 hours a day. This probably means (i) he has a personality disorder or (ii) he is an insomniac with no life, friends, family or job or money.

9 Celibate was reported to be "a bit pongy" after the earls court show - apparently after moshing, his bum started to smell a bit of damp, warm shit.

10 Celibate is a fat c***. Did I mention that?
 
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Top 10 reasons to abhor Celibate:

1 Celibate ruined one of The Smiths songs I most enjoyed listening to from beginning to finish, from the pent up emotional beginning to the strained vocal yodellings towards the end. "But how?" I hear you ask. By naming himself after a lyric from this previously most precious of songs. Every time I hear those warm, loving words "The hills are alive with celibate cries" and I see some hideous pile of lard covered in pubic hairs, reclining on a dirty floor surrounded by kylie records with "hot and "cum" emblazoned on his grotesque face, pulling some revolting "homoerotic" pout. It's a little like pre-emptive nausea when you're on the way to the hospital for chemotherapy. Even the *thought* of those words towards the end of the song makes me nauseated these days. I often reach for the track skip function as late as I can bear to, without risking having to hear those words.

2 Celibate has the personality of a vicious poisonous old queen, who spends all his time bitching and looking at porn.

3 Celibate is apparently dating a man "with form." I think you know what I mean.

4 Celibate is obese and smells like moth balls, yet he acts like he's some sexy young superstud. Yucky.

5 Celibate is into the "bear scene" - this means he likes to dress up like a gimp and meet other fat, ugly men for halitosis-ridden kisses, and fungal foot play.

6 Have you seen that pic of him on the floor with "hot and "cum" on his face? Hahahahaha

7 Celibate is a vile racist who uses terms like "chink" and also happens to be a bit of a pervert. A disgusting combination, frankly. The contents of his typing probably reflect the contents of his mind. Not a pleasant thought.

8 Celibate sits on his fat arse typing messages to himself and registering IDs on this forum for 20 hours a day. This probably means (i) he has a personality disorder or (ii) he is an insomniac with no life, friends, family or job or money.

9 Celibate was reported to be "a bit pongy" after the earls court show - apparently after moshing, his bum started to smell a bit of damp, warm shit.

10 Celibate is a fat c***. Did I mention that?


epic lulz
 
i just laid in awe on the bedroom floor - the queen is dead a classic no doubt about it . why compare the smiths to morrissey solo ? its like comparing the beatles and john lennon . the future works after leaving the fore mentioned bands are relevant to their time and the places they were wrote and recorded . through each era you are going to have people who like some tracks but not others , its human nature .
 
epic lulz

glad the moron gets labelled troll post, I sincererly looked his 10 point of viuew, but
honoust, really honoust, none of those 10 things the stalker posted,
none even got close,as lowest his reason for my nick which is;' the hills are alive with the sound of music', so Morrissey
borrowed that line, and added celibate cries instead of ' sound of music'

I presume yopu knew that, but for others I mentioned that little lyric line, and
the sources of Morrissey in his Smiths time

try better, or, knock on my door, and your pimple face will be gone
by shoving you through the park way, with lovely little stones, aftrer than a mud throw in the pond, you'll be ready , or you face is isn't that mean, as your life has been, and
can buy a ticket and go to your first Morrissey gig
thank me later when you finally graduate the uni yer on for 7 years

btw epic lulz:confused:

wtf?
 
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Morrissey SOLO is 100 percent better than the Smiths... think you'll find you're wrong.

Street had his hand in every single thing that Morrissey and Marr did...that was great) think you'll find he didn't. Not everything. go check.

Morrissey WAS THE f***ING SMITHS, think all Smiths songs that were original were credited to Morrissey (words) Marr (music)

MORRISSEY was BETTER during the Kill Uncle Tour and Your Arsenal Tour and Wolverhampton that ANY Smiths show ever was. I suppose you weren't there Salford '86 then? As for Wolverhampton wasn't about half the set comprised of Smiths material? Performed with the Smiths apart from Johnny Marr.

Bye bye

you really have a gift for comedy, man!!
 
Dear MORRISSEY & Friends of The Smiths: The Smiths will always be the greatest group this world will ever know and The Queen Is Dead, the greatest lp record of all time. Morrissey/Marr gave us the greatest song writting team ever. Remove any group member from The Smiths and that magic is gone for good. That said, Morrissey, your work is not to be compared to The Smiths and to be appreciatted for its individual achievements. We fondly remember The Queen Is Dead video and how M.T.V. here in America played and played it, till we too fell in love with this glorious record and all its tracks. Johnny Marr made the music and Morrissey, you made the words and your voice will go on till 3011 and beyond. Forever..."The Boy & Girl With The Thorn In Our Sides"...Molly & david g.
 
Morrissey SOLO is 100 percent better than the Smiths for the simple fact that Morrissey continued and Johnny was a quitter. The Smiths were good, but Alain Whyte and Boz have written songs just as good as any Smiths song. But you get these retards, and I do mean retards, because most Smiths/Morrissey are in fact retards, anyway, you get these people sitting in coffee shops, starving themselves and resting in some f***ing band that NO ONE will ever like, pontificating about, "Oh yes, Dahhhling, The Smiths were way better. No, I never went to a Smiths show and I'm a vegan and I don't wear deodorant and I was molested and Daddy wouldn't pay attention to me and I lived a hard life in the suburbs and my parents didn't give me a very big trust fund (only a 100 grand) and it was hard, the parents paid for EVERYTHING and now they won't give me a dime, so what if I'm 49, and no, I have no clue who Stephen Street is..." (which, by the way, is the real genius behind The Smiths and Morrissey's early solo work - Street had his hand in every single thing that Morrissey and Marr did...that was great), anyway, the retards continue, "...Yes, I was born in 1986, but I listened to the Smiths from my mother's womb, whom attended the concert, and I also caught glimpses of Morrissey whilst looking through her linty belly-button." Yes, they go on and on. In San Francisco, in Manchester, London, Los Angeles, yes, The Smiths were way better than Morrissey SOLO. f***ing retards. A. They aren't even COMPARABLE, and it's stupid to do so. B. Morrissey WAS THE f***ING SMITHS, so comparing himself to himself is just boring. Stop walking around saying The Smiths are better than Morrissey SOLO, all it says, out loud is, "I AM A f***ING PRETENTIOUS QUEER IDIOT." I'll say this. I HAVE been to Smiths concerts and I can honestly say, MORRISSEY was BETTER during the Kill Uncle Tour and Your Arsenal Tour and Wolverhampton that ANY Smiths show ever was. So, drop it.
Go and spend the night in a local cancer care hospital. Go and f*** someone until you are sore..... go and grow up you pathetic advert for a Morrissey fan.Stupid f***ing dumb bastard.
 
Go and spend the night in a local cancer care hospital. Go and f*** someone until you are sore..... go and grow up you pathetic advert for a Morrissey fan.Stupid f***ing dumb bastard.
I agree.
Hope the 'iconic' morrissey looks out good and hard at the front rows of his fans on his up and coming tour and sees the thick as f*** clueless faces looking back at him, those that his lifes work has attracted. Nobel prize for morrissey? I think not.
 
Seems like the last two posters are on the verge of tears. lighten up, it's the internet, it's just words.
 
I'm American and I completely think the Smiths are better than Morrissey solo... You may largely be correct, but maybe for the younger set. I've always "gotten" the Smiths... American and The Queen Is Dead is my favorite album of all time. I think Americans have a reputation that isn't always accurate...especially if you've never been here...
 
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Americans prefer morrissey to the smiths because they simply don't get it.
You have to be northern to appreciate it ( English, at least ). Fact.

Or a teenager.

Or a human being.
 
"I would love to go
Back to the old house
But I never will
I never will"


Morrissey & Marr 4ever!
 
Amusingly, have you noticed that, out of The Queen is Dead, only Bigmouth Strikes Again was quoted as a favourite track by today's 'stars'? I tend to prefer Strangeways, Here We Come, but TQID is a wonderful album & its quarter century deserves celebration!

http://davidikus.blogspot.com

I remember Marr saying that when they recorded 'Bigmouth...', he put the tape on in his car and wore it out cos he was so proud of it. Great song.
 
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