In Need Of A Big Nose Who Knows

[Someone, Somewhere]

Hello all,
A few cronies of mine & I are trying to
compile a list different musical instances
of Morrissey/Marr's uses of "functional plagiarism"
throughout their career
A couple we've cited so far are...
Rusholm Ruffians = His Latest Flame by Elvis
Seasick, Yet Still Docked = Rock n Roll Suicide by Bowie
Certain People I Know = Ride A White Swan by TRex
If you're able to join in the hunt we'd be delighted.
Thanks much....

Ps
If you've got any other britpop examples lodged
in your memory bankswe'd be interested in those too
(Billy B's Great Leap Forwards = Oh Yoko by Lennon
Billy again in Lovers Town (session) = Safe European Home by The Clash or even Connection = Three Girl Rumba, etc.)

 

[Aleister Crowley]

> Hello all,
> A few cronies of mine & I are trying to
> compile a list different musical instances
> of Morrissey/Marr's uses of "functional plagiarism"
> throughout their career
> A couple we've cited so far are...
> Rusholm Ruffians = His Latest Flame by Elvis
> Seasick, Yet Still Docked = Rock n Roll Suicide by Bowie
> Certain People I Know = Ride A White Swan by TRex
> If you're able to join in the hunt we'd be delighted.
> Thanks much....

> Ps
> If you've got any other britpop examples lodged
> in your memory bankswe'd be interested in those too
> (Billy B's Great Leap Forwards = Oh Yoko by Lennon
> Billy again in Lovers Town (session) = Safe European Home by The
> Clash or even Connection = Three Girl Rumba, etc.)

I am not trying to offend you or bring you down, which I do occaisonally but never feel good about I suppose, when I write that what you are asking is completely unintelligent; the Morrissey Marr writing team invented "the sample", or referentiality which you call "plagiarism" and I feel you fail to understand Morrissey and Marr like most other people. Every text is a palimpsest of signification and meaning and you are trying to reduce a vast stream of meaning to "plagiarism"...think about it

 

[Micah]

A Big Nose Who Knows

Its called "functional plagiarism" only meaning an allusion - not a rip-off.
I am shocked & appalled that you would be so offended by this exercise.
I think's it's smashing.
By no means is he/she trying to lessen the genius of the alliance.
Nor is it that frail that you need jump on a soapbox to defend it.
The Smiths were practically based upon parody - From Morrissey having taken publicity photos in the pose
of his heroes - to videos where the whole thing is hint after hint after hint.
Morrissey has nabbed whole lyrics (read some of his more obscure heroes books) & songs ("Heaven Knows I'm Missing Him Now" by Sandie Shaw) directly from poems, books, movies, & even brit tv - I think it's brilliant & I can't believe that you'd be so foolish to not acknowledging their blatant borrowing.
Very rarely has a Moz song passed where he hasn't "referenced" something else -- either in the characters or situation. Also, they've even played "His Latest Flame" (see Rank) so they're quite keen to the joke as well.
Also, M/M in no way invented the sample...Bob Dylan, Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, etc. had been " borrowing heavily" from old blues musicians, rocknroll, & folk music for years & years before the great 80s.
Perhaps you actually haven't caught on the whole wit/humor/critique aspect of the Smiths - I suggest you look into it - it'll open you up to a whole new world of enjoyment of the Smiths for you. If you like I can reccommend some sources.

Plus, I'd like to add one to your list:
"Panic" = "Metal Guru" by Marc Bolan.
Thanks.

 

[Aleister Crowley]

Re: A Big Nose Who Knows

> Its called "functional plagiarism" only meaning an
> allusion - not a rip-off.
> I am shocked & appalled that you would be so offended by
> this exercise.
> I think's it's smashing.
> By no means is he/she trying to lessen the genius of the
> alliance.
> Nor is it that frail that you need jump on a soapbox to defend
> it.
> The Smiths were practically based upon parody - From Morrissey
> having taken publicity photos in the pose
> of his heroes - to videos where the whole thing is hint after
> hint after hint.
> Morrissey has nabbed whole lyrics (read some of his more obscure
> heroes books) & songs ("Heaven Knows I'm Missing Him

I disagree intensely..the beatles never sampled they plagiarised you nitwit. Ive been a Smiths listener since 1985 you n*****, I suggest that you think of me as an enemy because I am and anyway History Will forget you completely. Your sanctimonious tone is annoying and stupid. Youre ugly and worthless and nobody cares

> & even brit tv - I think it's brilliant & I can't
> believe that you'd be so foolish to not acknowledging their
> blatant borrowing.
> Very rarely has a Moz song passed where he hasn't
> "referenced" something else -- either in the
> characters or situation. Also, they've even played "His
> Latest Flame" (see Rank) so they're quite keen to the joke
> as well.
> Also, M/M in no way invented the sample...Bob Dylan, Led
> Zeppelin, The Beatles, etc. had been " borrowing
> heavily" from old blues musicians, rocknroll, & folk
> music for years & years before the great 80s.
> Perhaps you actually haven't caught on the whole
> wit/humor/critique aspect of the Smiths - I suggest you look
> into it - it'll open you up to a whole new world of enjoyment of
> the Smiths for you. If you like I can reccommend some sources.

> Plus, I'd like to add one to your list:
> "Panic" = "Metal Guru" by Marc Bolan.
> Thanks.

 

[somevariationofwitty]

Heres a good one although its not obvious-
The Who-"love reign o'er me" and The Smiths-"last night i dreamt"
listen to it carefully pop fans-now that kind of plagerism is genius in its own right!

 

[somevariationofwitty]

Re: A Big Nose Who Knows

> I disagree intensely..the beatles never sampled they plagiarised
> you nitwit. Ive been a Smiths listener since 1985 you n*****, I
> suggest that you think of me as an enemy because I am and anyway
> History Will forget you completely. Your sanctimonious tone is
> annoying and stupid. Youre ugly and worthless and nobody cares

What the HELL are you taking mate? How dare you use that word, you @#!!!ing waste of skin.So listener since 85 are does that make you any more qualified than anyone else does it?Well ok ive been a smiths FAN since the first time i saw them at the rock garden in covent garden one of thier first gigs in the south,i saw them live about 45 times in all over GB,SO WHAT? my life,you make me sick your lot and as for the use of that word-you really are living proof that morrisseys mistake of flirting with nationalism has vomitted forth a stream of mindless dickheads like you-you cant even string a sentence together with trying to sound like morrissey.I dont get wound up too much ,but boy you have really got my hackles up-consider ME as your enemy no 1,
and ill make it my occupation to make sure history laughs in YOUR face,you fool.

 

[Aleister Crowley]

Re: A Big Nose Who Knows

> What the HELL are you taking mate? How dare you use that word,
> you @#!!! ing waste of skin.So listener since 85 are does that
> make you any more qualified than anyone else does it?Well ok ive
> been a smiths FAN since the first time i saw them at the rock
> garden in covent garden one of thier first gigs in the south,i
> saw them live about 45 times in all over GB,SO WHAT? my life,you
> make me sick your lot and as for the use of that word-you really
> are living proof that morrisseys mistake of flirting with
> nationalism has vomitted forth a stream of mindless dickheads
> like you-you cant even string a sentence together with trying to
> sound like morrissey.I dont get wound up too much ,but boy you
> have really got my hackles up-consider ME as your enemy no 1,
> and ill make it my occupation to make sure history laughs in
> YOUR face,you fool.

you;re a dixk..whoops I meant a @#!!!ing DORK hahahahahhhahhhahhahaha you complete waste of space!!!! your momma is a Hoe

 

[Aleister Crowley]

Re: A Big Nose Who Knows

> you;re a dixk..whoops I meant a @#!!! ing DORK
> hahahahahhhahhhahhahaha you complete waste of space!!!! your
> momma is a Hoe

..ok I just cooled down a little...I just told the woman at the grocery store about you and she said I should ignore you, that you sound like a person not worth getting mad about. She was right i guess..good luck with your way of seeing things

 

[a real smiths fan]

Re: A Big Nose Who Knows

> What the HELL are you taking mate? How dare you use that word,
> you @#!!! ing waste of skin.So listener since 85 are does that
> make you any more qualified than anyone else does it?Well ok ive
> been a smiths FAN since the first time i saw them at the rock
> garden in covent garden one of thier first gigs in the south,i
> saw them live about 45 times in all over GB,SO WHAT? my life,you
> make me sick your lot and as for the use of that word-you really
> are living proof that morrisseys mistake of flirting with
> nationalism has vomitted forth a stream of mindless dickheads
> like you-you cant even string a sentence together with trying to
> sound like morrissey.I dont get wound up too much ,but boy you
> have really got my hackles up-consider ME as your enemy no 1,
> and ill make it my occupation to make sure history laughs in
> YOUR face,you fool.
I agree wholeheartly witty,this guy is an absoulute embarrassment to the name "the smiths"-what i want to kjnow is how come the word @#!!! is starred out and the word n***** isnt?why the hell is that not expleted as well?

 

[a real smiths fan]

Re: A Big Nose Who Knows

> ..ok I just cooled down a little...I just told the woman at the
> grocery store about you and she said I should ignore you, that
> you sound like a person not worth getting mad about. She was
> right i guess..good luck with your way of seeing things

You got really mad at his comment then?you wanker the word n***** is totally unacceptable and you certainly know nothing at all about music,you are hilarious please continue entertaining us