here you go f***ers........don't need to thank me(Morrissey mention on Yahoo)..................

[Mr.Improper PIMP of the fuckin nation...and proud]

Re: And what do ya know about Mikey V Farrell?

> I agree. f*** Deano and Good Charlotte.

What a career mistake brainiac made huh? He should just retire rather than admitting to play with them or put them on his resume?

Good Charlotte should be murdered

 

[WhyteGrrrl]

Re: Tell us what you know about Jesse Tobias

> Dear god no! Say it isn's true? Alanis Morrissette? she sucks big elephant
> cocks. She hasn't been "relevant" for what 15 years? Good god,
> no wonder why Tobias is a clod!!! I wouldn't admit to working with Alanis
> if i had 5 weeks to live.

This conversation is making me laugh til I cry..hahaha.. You have such way with words!

 

[Mr.Improper PIMP of the fuckin nation...and proud]

Re: Tell us what you know about Jesse Tobias

> This conversation is making me laugh til I cry..hahaha.. You have such way
> with words!

It's true........Hell, that's like admitting you used to play guitar for f***ing Jet or someone as equally as shitty.

Alanis Morrissette? are you f***in kidding me? even the mention of that no talent f***wit should be enough to ban him/her forever from posting here. If Mr. Tobias is hanging his head high about that? he may as well retire now. How on Earth did his PIMPship ever come in contact with such utter garbage?

Here's proof Tobias is a clod: Look what his "guitar work/writing" has done for her career? My dogs haaving sex with each other sound better than Alanis Morrissette. Good god! I wish I knew who posted that looked like? I would just stare at them for even mentioning such rubbish.

Alanis Morrissette? egads! Might as well say you played guitar for f***in Ashlee Simpson.

 

[WhyteGrrrl]

Re: Tell us what you know about Jesse Tobias

> It's true........Hell, that's like admitting you used to play guitar for
> f***ing Jet or someone as equally as shitty.

> Alanis Morrissette? are you f***in kidding me? even the mention of that no
> talent f***wit should be enough to ban him/her forever from posting here.
> If Mr. Tobias is hanging his head high about that? he may as well retire
> now. How on Earth did his PIMPship ever come in contact with such utter
> garbage?

> Here's proof Tobias is a clod: Look what his "guitar
> work/writing" has done for her career? My dogs haaving sex with each
> other sound better than Alanis Morrissette. Good god! I wish I knew who
> posted that looked like? I would just stare at them for even mentioning
> such rubbish.

> Alanis Morrissette? egads! Might as well say you played guitar for f***in
> Ashlee Simpson.

I dunno how old these pics are, but Im assuming its from the morrissette days?

Hmmm....

 

[WhyteGrrrl]

Re: Tell us what you know about Jesse Tobias

> I dunno how old these pics are, but Im assuming its from the morrissette
> days?

> Hmmm....

didnt show up, let me try again...http://www.gfxbank.com/is.php?i=80758&img=Jesse%20Tobias%2016.jpg

http://www.gfxbank.com/is.php?i=80757&img=Jesse%20Tobias%2020.jpg

 

[Mr.Improper PIMP of the fuckin nation...and proud]

Re: Tell us what you know about Jesse Tobias

> didnt show up, let me try
> again...http://www.gfxbank.com/is.php?i=80758&img=Jesse%20Tobias%2016.jpg

> http://www.gfxbank.com/is.php?i=80757&img=Jesse %20Tobias%2020.jpg

Make it stop!!!! Alanis Morrissette? You're shttin the PIMP right?

 

[The Devil's Reject]

Re: And what do ya know about Mikey V Farrell?

> What a career mistake brainiac made huh? He should just retire rather than
> admitting to play with them or put them on his resume?

> Good Charlotte should be murdered

It's not like he didn't have other opportunities. What he did was turn down playing on "Ringleader of the Tormentors" the the next worldwide Morrissey tour to play in Good Charlotte, which is just asinine. If Good Charlotte was the best offer he had, that would be another matter. I hope he has fun hanging out with Hillary Duff. Ugh.

Spencer was a much better drummer anyway, IMHO.

 

[WhyteGrrrl]

Re: Tell us what you know about Jesse Tobias

> Make it stop!!!! Alanis Morrissette? You're shttin the PIMP right?

I would never kid around with something that serious..he was in Morrissette's band for real!

 

[The Devil's Reject]

Re: Tell us what you know about Jesse Tobias

> I would never kid around with something that serious..he was in
> Morrissette's band for real!

Okay, obviously Alanis sucks. She makes me ill actually. But can you really blame him for taking the job? It was an opportunity to make some money playing guitar, and getting to travel the world doing so. I can't fault that. And by taking that opportunity, it led to better things on the artistic front.

I also assume that the Chili Peppers would not have considered a guitarist who didn't have the chops.

I also don't know that it's fair to judge a guy by how he treated you on one or two days, because who knows what was going on on his end. It would be a chore to always have to be Mr. Nice to the fans, IMHO.

But yeah... the jury's out till we hear the songs with Morrissey.

 

[all night chemist]

And isn't she an Indian's fan, being from Canton and all?!

 

[WhyteGrrrl]

Re: Tell us what you know about Jesse Tobias

> Okay, obviously Alanis sucks. She makes me ill actually. But can you
> really blame him for taking the job? It was an opportunity to make some
> money playing guitar, and getting to travel the world doing so. I can't
> fault that. And by taking that opportunity, it led to better things on the
> artistic front.

> I also assume that the Chili Peppers would not have considered a guitarist
> who didn't have the chops.

> I also don't know that it's fair to judge a guy by how he treated you on
> one or two days, because who knows what was going on on his end. It would
> be a chore to always have to be Mr. Nice to the fans, IMHO.

> But yeah... the jury's out till we hear the songs with Morrissey.

I suppose it is wrong to judge on one's past endeavours. Obviously there are morrissette fans, or the band would have tanked sooner rather than later. Sometimes you just gotta do watcha gotta do to get where you want to go.

Honestly I hope he was having an off day..or I guess I should say days? I certainly dont expect him to be Mr. Nice, but I never expected Mr. Rude either. I just dont see how being an asshole to someone, especially a fan, can be a good thing. After all, it is the fans that make it possible for Tobias and any band to 'make it'.

That being said, Alain, and for that matter Boz's songs will always have my heart captured, not just for being talented musicans, but for being just really fantastic people as well.

WhyteGrrrl rambles on....

 

[Jamie]

Re: Tell us what you know about Jesse Tobias

> I have seen a certain member of our community posting messages attacking
> Jesse. I'm not sure what this is based on. I thought he was a good
> guitarist on the Morrissey tour and on that one b-side. If anyone has a
> song by Splendid or Mother Tongue, perhaps posting an MP3 would ne nice.

It's hard for me to be objective on this subject b/c it's well known around here that I am a big fan of Alain and I contribute to WhyteGrrrl's fanzine on a regular basis. However, I thought Jesse's lead work on the Let Me Kiss You B-sides was hack work and he destroyed any of the vitality in the solo of "Don't Make Fun of Daddy's Voice" (listen to any of the Wiltern or Apollo shows for Alain's more concise and melodic version)--which further hampered a really corking tune already diminished without Alain's better background vocals.

Honestly, I was always under the impression that Jesse was a fill-in for Alain and was never meant to be taken seriously as a viable replacement. So, there is a certain whiff of opportunism here--he certainly ingratiated himself with Morrissey, which seems especially vulgar if Alain was ill or dealing with personal problems at the time. It just comes off like an understudy who knew he had to get his foot in the door with the director before the actor he filled in for got back.

This is only semi-related to the topic at hand, but it rankled me that one of the listeners at the ROTT party made a comment that the band sounded less like sessions musicians this time around. Richly ironic, given that HALF of this band now truly are sessions musicians first (Jesse, Mike Farrell, and Matt Chamberlain) and a slap in the face to Alain, Boz, and Gary who have been musical partners off and on for the better part of 16 years.

Cheers,

Jamie

 

[Mr.Improper PIMP of the fuckin nation...and proud]

Re: And what do ya know about Mikey V Farrell?

> It's not like he didn't have other opportunities. What he did was turn
> down playing on "Ringleader of the Tormentors" the the next
> worldwide Morrissey tour to play in Good Charlotte, which is just asinine.
> If Good Charlotte was the best offer he had, that would be another matter.
> I hope he has fun hanging out with Hillary Duff. Ugh.

> Spencer was a much better drummer anyway, IMHO.

You're correct.

 

[Mr.Improper PIMP of the fuckin nation...and proud]

Re: Tell us what you know about Jesse Tobias

> It's hard for me to be objective on this subject b/c it's well known
> around here that I am a big fan of Alain and I contribute to WhyteGrrrl's
> fanzine on a regular basis. However, I thought Jesse's lead work on the
> Let Me Kiss You B-sides was hack work and he destroyed any of the vitality
> in the solo of "Don't Make Fun of Daddy's Voice" (listen to any
> of the Wiltern or Apollo shows for Alain's more concise and melodic
> version)--which further hampered a really corking tune already diminished
> without Alain's better background vocals.

> Honestly, I was always under the impression that Jesse was a fill-in for
> Alain and was never meant to be taken seriously as a viable replacement.
> So, there is a certain whiff of opportunism here--he certainly ingratiated
> himself with Morrissey, which seems especially vulgar if Alain was ill or
> dealing with personal problems at the time. It just comes off like an
> understudy who knew he had to get his foot in the door with the director
> before the actor he filled in for got back.

> This is only semi-related to the topic at hand, but it rankled me that one
> of the listeners at the ROTT party made a comment that the band sounded
> less like sessions musicians this time around. Richly ironic, given that
> HALF of this band now truly are sessions musicians first (Jesse, Mike
> Farrell, and Matt Chamberlain) and a slap in the face to Alain, Boz, and
> Gary who have been musical partners off and on for the better part of 16
> years.

> Cheers,

> Jamie

BINGO!!!!!! Looks Like Jamie's gained yet another fan in the PIMP? He/she's said it better than anyone else could possibly do.

 

[WhyteGrrrl]

Re: Tell us what you know about Jesse Tobias

> BINGO!!!!!! Looks Like Jamie's gained yet another fan in the PIMP?
> He/she's said it better than anyone else could possibly do.

Jamie is my top reporter and a helluva guy. He and I share many similar opinions, only he is better able to pervey his ideas into words!

 

[WhyteGrrrl]

Re: And what do ya know about Mikey V Farrell?

> You're correct.
Speaking of Spencer, did any of you happen to get your hands on the copy of the Elva Snow album he put out? It is fantastic and one of my best friends was lucky enough to do the cover art for the album!

 

[Mr.Improper PIMP of the fuckin nation...and proud]

Re: Tell us what you know about Jesse Tobias

> Jamie is my top reporter and a helluva guy. He and I share many similar
> opinions, only he is better able to pervey his ideas into words!

Like he did here? I like that Jamie guy. Tell him the PIMP said "he cool, you dig?"

 

[King Leer]

Re: Tell us what you know about Jesse Tobias

Can always count on well-written posts from you -- and I know over the years we've both expressed our strong support for Alain's and Boz' songwriting.

I can understand what you're saying about Jesse's opportunism (it was a little uncomfortable seeing him sitting in Alain's place when you opened up the IHFJ single), but it's important to note that Moz himself made it clear that Alain wasn't and hasn't been "replaced," and had kind words for Alain's songwriting ability (which I believe is the first time he's ever actual talked about their music). By all accounts so far (including M himself), Alain's music for "Life is a Pigsty" is a brilliant, massive song -- perhaps the centerpiece on the album.

 

[suzanne]

Re: Tell us what you know about Jesse Tobias

> Can always count on well-written posts from you -- and I know over the
> years we've both expressed our strong support for Alain's and Boz'
> songwriting.

> I can understand what you're saying about Jesse's opportunism (it was a
> little uncomfortable seeing him sitting in Alain's place when you opened
> up the IHFJ single), but it's important to note that Moz himself made it
> clear that Alain wasn't and hasn't been "replaced," and had kind
> words for Alain's songwriting ability (which I believe is the first time
> he's ever actual talked about their music). By all accounts so far
> (including M himself), Alain's music for "Life is a Pigsty" is a
> brilliant, massive song -- perhaps the centerpiece on the album.

not to mention that Jesse hasn't replaced Alain as a songwriter on the album. he seems to have taken over Boz's part for whatever reason.

 

[King Leer]

Re: Tell us what you know about Jesse Tobias

I was interested in Morrissey's comment about Boz being more involved with this latest record than any previous, despite the fact that he has no songs on it (I assume there are Boz b-sides already in the can).

It's an interesting situation where you have Visconti as the guy giving the album its overall sound, the engineer (who Morrissey has praised more than once), Boz as a kind of floor director that keeps everyone going, and of course Morrissey himself, who has input into how songs are structured.

It would be great if someone made a "making of" video about this album.