Why is Morrissey crap now?

Re: Why are you an imbecil????? Easy! you are!

Not as great as you blowing those rhinos behind your house last weekend,but yes,they are good. look anus,thats my opinion...I think you're the dumbest person on this board,i could be wrong(Im very seldomly wrong),but i dont know. Morrissey hasnt done anything in 10 years???? Hmmm, As I said,I think maladjusted was decent. You probably think johnny marr,mike joyce and andy rourke are talented too??? proibably think they should be considered great because they were with the smiths???? i think morrissey could be the "smiths" with any lounge band. Its not johnnys guitar work that made the smiths great ass face,it was morrisseys voice. My take,My opinion,My board!!!!! Its morrissey's world,we just live in it!!!!!............ Morrissey's new stuff is tremendous...I like you,twifcb is excellent...irish blood is awesome...whats not to like about the man???? i think you want every album to be like bona drag or something???? he cant do that...... He can only evolve and be himself. From what i hear...this new album,is going to put him back on the map!!!!! Never count the PIMP of the world out!!!!!!! NEVER!!!!!!
 
Re: Hopefuly he still works on his life. The best is yet to come!?
 
Yeah, soz. I did ramble on a bit about the general music biz.

Personally, I think some of Morrissey's solo stuff has equalled The Smiths in excellence.
Hairdresser on Fire, Now My Heart Is Full, Sister I'm A Poet. I could go on.

> That's partly what I was saying. Morrissey still produces some great music
> and that in itself shouldn't be dismissed so lightly.

> The things you say are very true to the music world, but what I was
> talking about can be described in a simple example.
> Marr said he wrote This Charming Man in 5 minutes.
> No matter how hard he'd try now, he wouldn't be able to produce
> something as good.
 
Re: What do you think about the b-sides?

??? Johnny Marr doesn't play on Lost. Are you thinking of There Is A Light?
 
Re: Why are you an imbecil????? Easy! you are!

You are tragically lonely.
 
Re: Such a little thing ...

NO, I just meant it's the producer's fault.
He should suggest or determine which instruments should be used
and what is the desired sound.
That melody could have been played with another instrument.

I just brought Marr as an example.
He said he had the melody ready, but it was the producer who suggested
using the mandolin. It would have sounded completely different with a
guitar and the mandolin does add a melancholic feel to the song a guitar
is lacking.

> ??? Johnny Marr doesn't play on Lost. Are you thinking of There Is A
> Light?
 
terms like crap are subjective.if MORRISSEY's new album is not what we hoped
it would be . so what. at first the man makes the songs he wants to make.
his choice.afterwards their is the eventually apreciation.
that MORRISSEY still means a lot shows our scribeling on this board.
 
Listen to his VOICE

> He used to be great but he hasn't made a truly great song in 10 years.
> What happened? And the new stuff? I mean, have you heard Mexico? Pile of
> shit.

Morrissey understands he'll disappoint, he understands he'll delight, he understands love and he understands hate.
It's all in his VOICE. Listen............stop fussing and just listen.
 
> I think that what happens with great bands or solo artists is that after
> awhile you get bored with what they do, although their work did not
> diminish in
> quality.
> Morrissey's work relies heavily on his co-writers, which he hasn't changed
> for a long time now. Maybe new musical collaborations can make some
> difference.
> I too miss Marr's and Street's compositions.
> But if you really listen to Maladjusted or even Southpaw the talent and
> great music is still there.

> My theory regarding musicians is that they produce their best work by the
> age of 30+. Take Johnny Marr as an example and so many others.
> This theory is true for young people in all fields of life, not just
> music.
> The passion and enthusiasm at a young age can not be paralleled.

> Another point may be that you romanticize the past and associate the music
> with happier points in your life.
> I admit Mexico is not his best work, but neither is most of Kill Uncle and
> that was 12 years ago.

I think that you can't overlook the fact that as an artist becomes more established (if they're lucky in today's market), they get more self indulgent. Moz has been lucky enough to become a sort of living legend or icon. Even with no record deal, he was still a presence. Part of the freedom of that status is that you can do whatever the f*** you feel like. And Moz has implied many times that he views the recording studio as an indulgence, not a passion. I just think that as an artist gets older they're less fixated on sending a message out into the world, and more about pleasing themselves and feeling good. So I think his music isn't crap, I'm sure he's really happy with the stuff he's done, its just not as focused on an audiance, and so, some songs are better than others. Same thing happened with Tori Amos, Fleetwood Mac, almost anyone thats gotten a shot at more than three albums.
 
> And an opinion you're entitled to.

> There are a LOT of people doing better jobs than Morrissey has since Viva
> Hate (his last great album). The Strokes, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Blur, Badly
> Drawn Boy, The Libertines, Kings of Leon, The Thrills, Black Box Recorder,
> R.E.M., Calexico, even Bowie made a recent pretty good album. I just doubt
> Morrissey's relevance anymore and, if the new songs are an indication of
> his next album, don't see what new things he has to offer.

The strokes and the yeah yeah yeahs, though I like thier albums, won't be around in three years time, at least not as any kind of media presence. There sound is kinda new, but their albums lack any real energy or skill. At least with the White Stripes, you have an accomplished musician, who has an emotional landscape. The strokes and the yeah yeah yeahs are background music while I clean my kitchen. The yeah yeah yeahs are just heavens to betsy only ten years later. the strokes, do you listen to any of that shit and get pumped up? At least when I listen to Maladjusted I can tell when the track has changed.
 
> You need to understand irony before you can get it, I suppose.

I really sympathize with you Dent, but you're really getting to one of my pet peaves now. People misuse the word irony far to often. They say irony when they mean coincidence, or in this case sarcasm. C'mon now. Aren't all of you people British anyway. I really would have expected better from all y'all, on the real.
 
> First off,if you dislike him so much,why are you f***ing here??? second
> off,I happen to dig the new shit. Im sorry that every song cant be like
> suedehead or boy racer...if you were a true fan,you'd accept him for what
> he is: a brilliant underappreciated genius. I agree that maladjusted wasnt
> his best,but you know, alma matters,roys keen sorrow will come,....what
> great songs..... I happened to dig this new compilation cd he put out. I
> also liked M.E.B.Y. alot!!!!!

> My advice to you is this: if you dont like him,get the f*** out!!!!!
> Morrissey rules,thats clearly evident......

I don't remember the order but its something like kill your God, kill your parents, kill your teachers. there is a natural evolution in each persons development. You should come to a point where you can openly say, I don't like that my idol did this or that. The first time I read poetry it was amazing, and I thought Sylvia Plath was a goddess, but now that I read and write peotry all the time, I cringe to think that I had put her on such a pedastal.
 
That is insane. Lack any real energy????!!! The Strokes and Yeah Yeah Yeahs are two incredibly energetic bands. You just don't get it. And comparing their albums to Maladjusted, come on, that is so silly. Maladjusted is a BAD, BAD album. And I'm glad you can tell on Maladjusted when the track has changed as on his last few records I can't tell when Morrissey has changed album.
 
Re: Listen to his VOICE

That is just not good enough. Yes, Morrissey has a great voice but so what? His records aren't nearly as good as they used to be. He has a good voice on bad records. Kind of makes him a session musician.
 
> Seriously think what you're saying. Those songs are GREAT? Really? Be
> honest...

Well, Irish Blood and First of the Gang are great
 
Proper, your a trendsetter.....Snoop Dog might as well go back to being a Gangsta.

> Never count the PIMP of the world out!!!!!!! NEVER!!!!!!

Sorry Snoop Dog, making a GGW infomercial doesn't make you the pimp of the world.
NEW YORK (July 24) - Ten years ago, it seemed as if every rapper wanted to be a gangsta. Now, everyone wants to be a pimp.

50 Cent and Snoop Dogg strut in full pimp regalia, surrounded by a bevy of beauties, in their new video ``P.I.M.P.'' Rappers like Lil' Jon bounce through their videos holding jewel-encrusted chalices popularized by pimps.

Even old-school soul veteran Ronald Isley personifies the pimp style with his alter-ego, ``Mr. Biggs,'' right down to his elaborate cane.

Modeling yourself after figures most people consider among the degenerates of society might not seem like the most respectable path to follow - but no one ever accused rappers of wanting to be respectable.

``Rappers just always want to be something bad,'' said producer-rapper Jermaine Dupri, who's touted himself as a ``young pimp'' in his own lyrics. ``Just the same way rappers want to be gangstas, rappers want to be pimps.''

Yet the self-proclaimed king of pimps, Bishop Don Magic Juan, would disagree with the sentiment that pimping is a bad thing. Although he's given up the pimp business for preaching - he's an ordained minister - he still sticks up for his former profession.

``It's been portrayed negatively through movies and television,'' says Juan, who has not forsaken his pimp wardrobe. ``Now people are seeing it for what it is.''

Snoop Dogg - perhaps the biggest pimp purveyor in today's rap game - agrees.

``It's cool to look good, it's cool to have girls on your arm, and get money from them, and that's a good feeling, you dig? There ain't nothing wrong with it,'' he told The Associated Press in a recent interview.

``We're teaching people how to hustle and how to look good,'' he said. ``I'd rather be a pimp than a gang-banger, because I grew up being a gang-banger, and I tell you, you live longer being a pimp.''

Yet others point out that pimping is the business of procuring women and girls as prostitutes for profit.

``It's just like gang-banging and doing drugs,'' says the singer Monica. ``I think it's one of those things that people have started to glorify.

``People still go to jail for that for long periods of time. People get killed behind that. So the unfair part is our audiences don't get to see the real side of it,'' she adds. ``They hear it on records and see it on TV and they glorify, and it's totally backwards.''

Chris Rock was appalled by ``Lil' Pimp,'' a cartoon movie in the works about a child pimp.

``That's where I draw the line. That's where I get corny. My daughter will not be at the kid pimp movie,'' says the comedian, whose movie ``Pootie Tang'' was akin to a pimp fashion show. ``I want to meet the white executive who said, 'Yes! Lil' Pimp!'''

The pimp game has been rapped about for more than 20 years. Oakland native Too Short and Los Angeles pioneer Ice-T celebrated it in the early '80s. Brooklyn's Big Daddy Kane talked about it in the late '80s. In the '90s, The Notorious B.I.G. rapped: ``Pimpin' ain't easy but it sure is fun.'' And one of Jay-Z's most popular songs remains the 2000 anthem ``Big Pimpin.''

Such popularity is due partly to a generation of rappers who grew up watching the glorification of pimps in blaxploitation films such as ``Dolemite,'' ``Superfly'' and ``The Mack.'' Sharply dressed, dripping with money, in control and draped with ladies, pimps were portrayed as the ultimate hustlers.

``When I started seeing those movies in the '70s, like 'The Mack' and 'Superfly,' that helped me to more of less pick who I wanted to be in life, how I wanted to live my life, how I wanted to represent me,'' said Snoop.

Recently, though, pimp appeal is peaking. It's hard to find a rap song these days without at least some passing reference to pimps. 50 Cent's ``P.I.M.P.'' is a Top 10 hit on the Billboard chart; rapper David Banner idolizes the lifestyle on ``Like a Pimp''; and rapper Nelly pays tribute with his hit song ``Pimp Juice.''

Not that all these rappers are selling sex. Like much of rap music, almost all pimp lyrics are just talk.

Thanks largely to documentaries like HBO's ``Pimps Up, Hos Down'' and the Hughes brothers' ``American Pimp,'' real and former pimps have become celebrities themselves, appearing in videos, even rapping on songs. None more so than Bishop Don Magic Juan, who's even currently in talks to star in his own reality series.

Then there's the pimp fashion - the canes, the gold-encrusted chalices, the hats, and the fancy threads.

No other major rapper embodies pimp style more than Snoop. When he first emerged a decade ago, his style was L.A. gangsta Crip- baggy jeans, blue flannel shirts and sneakers.

Now, the millennium Snoop is more apt to wear smooth pink pinstriped suits, flashy shoes, wide-brimmed hat, and curled hair that falls to his shoulders.

Snoop says pimp culture showed him how to carry himself with style and pride.

``I wanted to look good and feel good about myself,'' he says. ``Those are qualities that you get from a pimp that everybody's not really understanding.''

``(People) just think it's, take money from a girl and slap her and send her to the corner, but nah, it's other things about this pimpin' that you really don't even know,'' he adds. ``(It's about) the freedom of the females and the thought of a female getting you money.''

Not surprisingly, women don't seem to fare too well in the rap pimp world, objectified as booty-shaking nymphets that can be easily replaced or dismissed, as 50 Cent profanely describes in ``P.I.M.P.''

But the Bishop says anyone, including a woman, can be a pimp, as long as he or she embodies the pimp attitude, like Lil' Kim, Pamela Anderson and Mariah Carey - sexy, powerful women who are in control.

And the way some rappers see it, pimping is just an extension of the American way, from the days of slavery onward.

``We've been pimped since we were ripped from the underbelly of Africa,'' says Banner. ``We built America but never got paid for it, yet we get treated the worse. So pimping has always been a part of our society, so to feel that we're finally the pimps, why not embrace that?''

But not everyone sees rap's love affair with pimps as something that should be embraced.

Drummer Ahmir ``?uestlove'' Thompson of The Roots says rappers acting like pimps is really no more than ``playing dress-up,'' trying to posture for power.

``The only type of people that give you the illusion of control are those who are really not in control,'' he says ruefully. ``If you want to talk about really pimping, you've got to talk about a being a government official.''

But the Bishop is aghast at such talk, instead describing pimping as a world of opportunity.

``(It's) the jewelry, the style of dressing, the cars, the houses - to be able to feel like you're doing it your way, nobody tell you what to do. You can move and groove like you want to,'' he says.

Bishop tries to import his pimp philosophy to today's hip-hop generation as much as he can. He's Snoop's ``spiritual adviser,'' part of Snoop's posse and even travels on the road with him sometimes.

He admits he never thought he'd see the day when a former pimp like himself would be a celebrated figure.

``I stayed pimped out for 30 years - I ain't never let the game down. I always believed in it,'' he says. ``Now that I say I don't want to pimp no more, everybody wants to be a pimp!''

07/24/03 22:08 EDT

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Re: Proper, your a trendsetter.....Snoop Dog might as well go back to being a Gangsta.

See,as ive said a million times,nothing wrong with being a PIMP. These others learn from me and I them. I've known Im a trendsetter for quite some time now. Thank god only a proud few can become a PIMP. It's not for everyone,but the payoff is well worth it. You get first choice in the women you bang and sell,nothing wrong with that!!!! I make ALOT of money PIMPin....... Enough to buiy myself a new escalade!!!!!!. thanks to my hoes everywhere!!!!!
 
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