Why is Morrissey crap now?

[Dent]

Well done on creating your own language. I've very proud. And I know how you love Pride.

 

[Dent]

Seriously think what you're saying. Those songs are GREAT? Really? Be honest...

 

[Fartberg]

> Well done on creating your own language. I've very proud. And I know how
> you love Pride.

oh okay guy

 

[nonesoever]

> Hold On To Your Friends? The Lazy Sunbathers? Come on, that's ridiculous.

Again, make the distinction between the lyrics and the music.
You may not like the compositions, but the lyrics are great.
Hold On is supposed to be an anthem like Nobody Loves Us.
Lazy Sunbathers talks about a situation that is very familiar, which
is infact a disease the entire western world has.
In the US the majority of the people don't know who their president is.

> Brilliant? BRILLIANT? See, now I can't take you seriously. That could
> possibly be the worst thing he's ever done.

Again, you should feel the sentiment behind the song.
Specifically if you ever felt the cold hand of the judicial system
in any country, you can relate to the lyrics.
Musically the song builds itself as a scene from a movie, where a murderer
hunts down his victim.
The lyrics deal with a very human feeling I'm sure everyone felt in a certain stage in their life. Basically to anyone who says "I could Kill" this or that person without being able to realize it.

> Are you suggesting that Morrissey fans aren't human? As for wishing anyone
> the very worst...not since I was a child. I wish Morrissey all the best in
> coming up with songs better than the five he played on his recent tour.

NO, I just meant that any human being and especially a fan of Morrissey could relate to this human feeling Morrisey expresses all the time.

 

[Dent]

Do you just rate Smiths songs by the lyrics? I think a lot of Morrissey's lyrics are great (Roy's Keen, Satan Rejected My Soul, Everything from Southpaw Grammar withstanding) but the music is generally flat. If Maladjusted was a debut album you wouldn't accept it.

 

[nonesoever]

Again, I agree with you on the musical aspect.
I too feel a musical change of direction is needed.
When musicians pass a certain age they run out of ideas and
begin to repeat themselves.
He can use new blood.

BTW, funny you'd rate Roy's Keen lyrics so highly, cause most fans would disagree.

Maladjusted is very good, though if it had the B-sides instead of some A-sides, it could have been a great album.

> Do you just rate Smiths songs by the lyrics? I think a lot of Morrissey's
> lyrics are great (Roy's Keen, Satan Rejected My Soul, Everything from
> Southpaw Grammar withstanding) but the music is generally flat. If
> Maladjusted was a debut album you wouldn't accept it.

 

[Dent]

No I don't rate Roys Keen. That was my point. Roys Keen, Satan, All of Southpaw....just terrible lyrics. Really lazy.

I don't think you can totally blame the musicians. Morrissey OK's everything before release. He obviously thinks the stuff will do.

By the way, thanks for answering so civilly.

 

[King Leer]

Good points, but I'd except filmmaking and especially novel writing.

 

[nonesoever]

Sorry misread your post.

Roy's Keen I think talks about Roy Keane and has some funny moments when
projected to the world of soccer.

Satan is very entertaing, "You'll never see all the fun in life it's cost me".

Southpaw has some fine moments, The Operation, Reader, Southpaw and Teachers.

 

[Dent]

In your opinion. To me, it's all lazy.

 

[nonesoever]

No problem, I feel the same about some of the music. Someone's to blame.

As for Morrissey picking the tracks, I don't know what he was thinking
with Maladjusted. Its track listing is confusing as well.

I miss Street's style with singles like Suedehead, Everyday. Interesting Drug and Playboys.

> No I don't rate Roys Keen. That was my point. Roys Keen, Satan, All of
> Southpaw....just terrible lyrics. Really lazy.

> I don't think you can totally blame the musicians. Morrissey OK's
> everything before release. He obviously thinks the stuff will do.

> By the way, thanks for answering so civilly.

 

[Bluenose]

> My theory regarding musicians is that they produce their best work by the
> age of 30+. Take Johnny Marr as an example and so many others.
> This theory is true for young people in all fields of life, not just
> music.
> The passion and enthusiasm at a young age can not be paralleled.

I couldn't agree more. I think before artists have record deals, they are trying their hardest to get recognition, and the energy and determination is reflected in early recordings and it sounds fresh and raw.

There have been so many bands who, once they have become successful, have churned out any old crap, because they know it will be bought regardless of the quality and/or the "rock star lifestyle" has taken too much of a hold.

I think it is a sign of a truely great artist who can still produce excellent music after being in the business for a long time. Morrissey has had a few dubious songs, but generally, I think we can't be too disappointed.

 

[nonesoever]

Re: Good points, but I'd except filmmaking and especially novel writing.

Well, I don't know enough about these subjects to say, but generally there are always exceptions to the rule (individuals who don't fit the pattern).

Maybe Morrissey should take to novel writing and direct his own videos
(lord knows no one can make worse ones than the ones made for him).

 

[Mr.Improper PIMP to morrissey]

Then if you "love" morrissey,you should still and always love him. Its still the same morrissey who wrote all your favorites,but as times change,so has he. i think just about everything he's done is brilliant. As I said,he is so underrated. That donkeydick julian casablancas should be beaten for the shit he talked about mozzer. Morrissey will not let you down,s sorrow will come is a great f***ing tune. So is alma matters and roys keen. as for MEBY,black eyed susan,and nobody loves us are classic morrissey!!!! thats just my take. But as i said,if you love morrissey,then love him through the rough times and the good times...thats what makes a good fan. Thats why he rules the planet......... hes the PIMP!!!!!!

 

[King Leer]

And where is that autobiography?? Come on, Mor-ri-ssey!

 

[Bluenose]

What do you think about the b-sides?

The b-sides to 'Roy's Keen' are brilliant. His voice on 'The Edges Are No Longer Parallel' is fantastic. Really emotional. As for 'Lost', that has true feeling as well and lyrically, you can't complain.

> No I don't rate Roys Keen. That was my point. Roys Keen, Satan, All of
> Southpaw....just terrible lyrics. Really lazy.

> I don't think you can totally blame the musicians. Morrissey OK's
> everything before release. He obviously thinks the stuff will do.

> By the way, thanks for answering so civilly.

 

[Dent]

You are the dullest man on this board. You continually say the same boring things. Go away.

Morrissey hasn't done anything of real note in ten years. That's quite a long bad time.

 

[nonesoever]

That's partly what I was saying. Morrissey still produces some great music and that in itself shouldn't be dismissed so lightly.

The things you say are very true to the music world, but what I was talking about can be described in a simple example.
Marr said he wrote This Charming Man in 5 minutes.
No matter how hard he'd try now, he wouldn't be able to produce
something as good.

> I couldn't agree more. I think before artists have record deals, they are
> trying their hardest to get recognition, and the energy and determination
> is reflected in early recordings and it sounds fresh and raw.

> There have been so many bands who, once they have become successful, have
> churned out any old crap, because they know it will be bought regardless
> of the quality and/or the "rock star lifestyle" has taken too
> much of a hold.

> I think it is a sign of a truely great artist who can still produce
> excellent music after being in the business for a long time. Morrissey has
> had a few dubious songs, but generally, I think we can't be too
> disappointed.

 

[Dent]

Re: What do you think about the b-sides?

I can complain plenty about the bad keyboard in Lost. Sounds like a bad eighties band.

 

[nonesoever]

Re: What do you think about the b-sides?

Blame the producer for this one.

Marr said the producer at the time was the one who told him to use
the mandolin on Please Let Me Get What I Want.

> I can complain plenty about the bad keyboard in Lost. Sounds like a bad
> eighties band.