Morrissey in the annals.

[Cili]

What do you all think Morrissey will ultimately be remembered for? After, say, 25 years passes, when we're all older ourselves, Morrissey is old and gray, and pop music is who-knows-where, how do you think the music press will remember Morrissey if at all?

I can see that as the sun sets slowly on Morrissey's career, the articles written about him are more positive and acknowledging of his great accomplishments (it sounds like I'm describing an elegy doesn't it?). I think this suggests that Morrissey might come to be remembered positively and accurately, as opposed to just by the Smiths caricature of the flailing milksop with with the garden in his Levi's. Or I could be wrong. [shrug]

How do you all think Morrissey's page in the annals of pop history will read?

Cili.

 

[Fabricio]

hello cili!

the articles i`ve been reading about morrissey are more and more positive - i agree with you...

i think perhaps the ending of the grunge and the beginning of britpop groups like belle and sebastian made everybody see again morrissey as a great icon (at least i`ve been seen this in articles published in brazil... )

and this is the way everybody will see moz in the future: as one of the best rockstars ever - as smiths singer or in his solo career...

a great hug from your friend
fabricio

> What do you all think Morrissey will ultimately be remembered
> for? After, say, 25 years passes, when we're all older
> ourselves, Morrissey is old and gray, and pop music is
> who-knows-where, how do you think the music press will remember
> Morrissey if at all?

> I can see that as the sun sets slowly on Morrissey's career, the
> articles written about him are more positive and acknowledging
> of his great accomplishments (it sounds like I'm describing an
> elegy doesn't it?). I think this suggests that Morrissey might
> come to be remembered positively and accurately, as opposed to
> just by the Smiths caricature of the flailing milksop with with
> the garden in his Levi's. Or I could be wrong. [shrug]

> How do you all think Morrissey's page in the annals of pop
> history will read?

> Cili.

 

[Solace]

Re: We're Too Close to See the Truth of His Influence on Music

 

[Bertrand]

> What do you all think Morrissey will ultimately be remembered
> for? After, say, 25 years passes, when we're all older
> ourselves, Morrissey is old and gray, and pop music is
> who-knows-where, how do you think the music press will remember
> Morrissey if at all?

> I can see that as the sun sets slowly on Morrissey's career, the
> articles written about him are more positive and acknowledging
> of his great accomplishments (it sounds like I'm describing an
> elegy doesn't it?). I think this suggests that Morrissey might
> come to be remembered positively and accurately, as opposed to
> just by the Smiths caricature of the flailing milksop with with
> the garden in his Levi's. Or I could be wrong. [shrug]

> How do you all think Morrissey's page in the annals of pop
> history will read?

The English press will continue to crucify him, will continue to disparage all his solo work and generally misunderstand him.

The American press will basically ignore him. The Smiths wiil get a footnote as an important band in mid eighties college radio.

 

[Cili]

My big bear.

> hello cili!

Fabreeceeoh!

> the articles i`ve been reading about morrissey are more and more
> positive - i agree with you...

You'd better, or it'll cost you plenty...

> as one
> of the best rockstars ever - as smiths singer or in his solo
> career...

The good thing from an historical perspective is that Morrissey is still I think a very unique pop artist. No one's diluted his persona, even though some have tried. Kurt Cobain may be remembered for what he did with Nirvana, but Grunge became such a saturated genre, his voice eventually was drowned out and lost to some degree. I don't see that happening to Morrissey. For that reason alone, I think he'll endure in the press and in the collective memory as a significant and singular figure, the best at what he did--and an archetype as well. That's one tall order but Morrissey's done it. He was an original that no one could really copy.

> a great hug from your friend

Obrigado.



Cili.

 

[Cili]

The Smiths are our generation's Beatles.

> The English press will continue to crucify him, will continue to
> disparage all his solo work and generally misunderstand him.

Oh, I wouldn't be too sure of that Bertrand. The press is softening their blows, and I think slowly but surely the success and prodigious influence of The Smiths is being recognised. It's undeniable if you've got even one eye (or should I say 'ear') open to what's been going on in pop music for the last fifteen years. With some writers that's questionable, but most of them are smarter than that. Even if Morrissey's solo career were to disappear tomorrow, The Smiths' existence alone would be enough to propel Morrissey onto the short list of the greatest pop legends ever to dance across a stage. I think it'll take a little more time, but I predict that Morrissey will eventually be read about in much the same way that we read about Brian Wilson or Chuck D today, as an incredible innovator in his respective craft, blasting open all sorts of doors and paving the way for a flood of subsequent artists to walk easier.

> The American press will basically ignore him. The Smiths wiil
> get a footnote as an important band in mid eighties college
> radio.

Oh Bertrand, I'd give The Smiths more credit than that. I think what they did was hugely effective, and I don't believe I'm just being a biased fan. The Smiths are our generation's Beatles. You just wait and see. If I'm wrong, I'll marry Greasetea.

Cili.

 

[Zombie]

So, The Smiths are a dodgy poptastic boyband? Ooh!

Ignore that comment.

 

[greasetea]

Re: The Smiths are our generation's Beatles.

> just wait and see. If I'm wrong, I'll marry Greasetea.

> Cili.

Um, only if you can handle the fact that I keep odd hours and wear lots of black ribbed v-neck t's whilst drinking my favorite poison: Lemonade.

 

[Cili]

A match made somewhere.

> Um, only if you can handle the fact that I keep odd hours

I keep the oddest hours, a bad habit that I picked up when I left my last real job. Terrible for the skin, but that's all right. If it ever gets bad enough, I can always go back to England.

> and wear lots of black ribbed v-neck t's

Not at the same time I hope.

> whilst drinking my favorite poison: Lemonade.

I love (pink) lemonade as long as there is no urine content. Bring it on baby, I can take it.



Cili.

 

[greasetea]

Re: A match made somewhere.

> I love (pink) lemonade as long as there is no urine content.

Pink is my favorite too sans urine but have you had pink lemonade with a splash of grenadine? Absolutely luscious but what do I know? I'm just a man with a frying pan.

> Bring it on baby, I can take it.

Perhaps. But what if I can't? Better think carefully, I don't do prenuptials or contingent divorces. In either case, my new khaki trousers are so cool looking and there is nary a Banana Republic symbol!

I go girl!

 

[Naah-aaaaaah!]

Oasis are our generation's Beatles.

 

[Fabricio]

Re: My big bear.

> Fabreeceeoh!

Hello Cili, it`s good to talk with you again!

> You'd better, or it'll cost you plenty...

mmm... it`s true...

> The good thing from an historical perspective is that Morrissey
> is still I think a very unique pop artist. No one's diluted his
> persona, even though some have tried. Kurt Cobain may be
> remembered for what he did with Nirvana, but Grunge became such
> a saturated genre, his voice eventually was drowned out and lost
> to some degree. I don't see that happening to Morrissey. For
> that reason alone, I think he'll endure in the press and in the
> collective memory as a significant and singular figure, the best
> at what he did--and an archetype as well. That's one tall order
> but Morrissey's done it. He was an original that no one could
> really copy.

you see cili, I have never thought about it and i think that what you wrote was really great.

And do you think people like John Lennon, Elvis or Frank Sinatra are some kind of archetype too? I think that just as Morrissey does, they are bigger than the time they lived. Perhaps I am correct - millions of people can`t be wrong!

> Obrigado.

de nada - vc é um amor!

do seu amigo,
Fabricio

 

[Cili]

Re: My big bear.

> Hello Cili, it`s good to talk with you again!



> And do you think people like John Lennon, Elvis or Frank Sinatra
> are some kind of archetype too?

I definitely think so. These men were pure originals.

> I think that just as Morrissey
> does, they are bigger than the time they lived.

I agree, but Morrissey is unique in a different way than they were. Those men really were larger than life and in their own ways rose above it, whereas Morrissey is rooted in it (life). What I've always felt was so special about Morrissey was the way he could romanticise life and depression. Morrissey really touched something that is very deeply embedded within the human condition, and that's I'm sure why fans can't let him go. In those moments when we need someone the most, Morrissey was always there, and we felt that he understood what we were feeling. I don't think any other artist did that as well as he did. Of course it was a combination of everything, Johnny, Andy, Mike, but the ultimate result was that we were all touched.

> Perhaps I am
> correct - millions of people can`t be wrong!

Except when it comes to McDonalds. I had a fish fillet today, and I renewed my old vow never to eat fast food again.

do seu amiga,
Cili

 

[Cili]

Re: A match made somewhere.

> Pink is my favorite too sans urine but have you had pink
> lemonade with a splash of grenadine? Absolutely luscious but
> what do I know? I'm just a man with a frying pan.

That last line made me laugh.

I don't think I've had grenadine in my lemonade but it sounds lovely.

> Perhaps. But what if I can't? Better think carefully, I don't do
> prenuptials or contingent divorces.

This is much too complicated for such a simple girl. Oh well.

Cili.

 

[Mozbald]

Re: Oasis are our generation's Beatles.

Oasis are not even our generations Freddie and the Dreamers....

 

[russ t]

Oasis are your generations STATUS QUO. Get it bloody right!

 

[anomaly]

Oasis is our generations MOST OVER-rated band..or is that bland.

 

[watch]

Oasis are our generation's punishment

 

[Sharron Needles]

Re: Oasis are pungent, and Liam is a twat. Thom Yorke for president!