> I don't see it as an attack, no. I see it as a brutally honest opinion. I
> find it hard to believe that someone could deny those titles are juvenile.
> And there's nothing wrong with saying so.
I'm just making the point that if those people here are so quick to criticise, then maybe they should write an album. Let's see how they do. Personally, I couldn't write a verse to save my life. It's that old adage that people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. It's one thing to say, "That album wasn't to my liking" and other to crap on about how we are all left here for Morrissey to save us and then "how many days of misery and disppointment have we all endured when He puts out another unlistenable collection of drones, hateful and cruel lyrics, and C-class musicianship." I certainly don't feel that way and if I did I would stop buying the albums. And then to say I can tell it's going to be rubbish because of the song titles. Really, it just sounds as if people are searching for something to complain about.
> No, not at all. I'm speaking of the information we have so far about the
> album.
My apologies, I've misunderstood you. I guessed when you were talking about being that message was from a long time fan, I assummed you were discussing the past catalogue.
> Who is demanding that? Not me. Are you replying to me or someone that I'm
> not aware of? I'm giving an opinion on his music. Morrissey can do
> whatever he wants. And we can also give our opinion as we see fit.
You must have missed the part where I stated "I should say when I say "you" I don't mean you personally but those who seem to partake in this activity." Have you missed those posts where people are taking a great interest in the state of his hair?
> I have no idea what you're talking about. You're going off in another
> direction entirely. You don't seem to be responding to what I said at all.
> Obviously you have issues with things others have posted here and you're
> confusing me with them.
Again "I should say when I say "you" I don't mean you personally but those who seem to partake in this activity."
> It's called a hunch, which is a feeling based on small amounts of
> information. In my case it's based on more, but we'll get to that later.
Well it's cynical. And something I don't share. You're right, it may be the biggest load of shit I've ever heard but I'm not going to say that until I've heard it. It's like saying "a film that Woody Allen releases in 2008 will be crap". How do you know? "Oh, I feel it in my waters".
> Again, you're talking to someone else. This just goes to show Morrissey
> fans (defenders) have a one track mind with the sole purpose of defending
> Morrissey nomatter what is said. Blind worship. Again, you're hung up on
> things others have been posting, not me. If you're going to take the time
> to respond, at least read what I've written and respond directly to what
> I've said.
Again "I should say when I say "you" I don't mean you personally but those who seem to partake in this activity." Haven't I responded to what you've said? I'll repeat. I do find the attacks becoming more personal on this board. Unnecessarily so. I wasn't talking about you but rather a select group of people that come here just to lay out bitter opinions which I can only imagine, a small audience would be interested in hearing. I don't find the new song titles embarrasing and will wait to hear the album first before making judgement. You can call that blind adoration if you choose.
> Oh please. He's a big boy.
That was the explanatory sentence to the rest of the paragraph.
> Who is nitpicking? I'm stating my opinion. I said the song titles were
> awful and they are. I hope the songs themselves are better, but I have my
> doubts considering his last proper album wasn't very good. To me the song
> titles alone suggest he's becoming a bad parody of himself. Scrutinising
> would be me saying "oh look he's getting a bit chubby round the
> middle" I'm not doing that, nor would I ever.
When did this thread become about you? Again,"I should say when I say "you" I don't mean you personally but those who seem to partake in this activity." Others have been nit-picking (by your definition and one that I agree with) and hence that was my objection in my initial message, which I recall wasn't addressed to you.
I'm giving my opinion
> on his art. I'm a fan and I know when he's great and when he's not. He's
> going downhill fast. Everything from the last album, to the last tour, to
> the new songs I've heard, to the new album titles.
I disagree.
> I'm very devoted. I bought Maladjusted and I still own it (on cd and
> vinyl) despite the fact that it's crap. And I'll buy the new album the day
> it comes out despite my concerns about how crap it's going to be. That's
> devotion.
I don't think that's devoted. I think that's foolish and a waste of money. The day Morrissey releases an album I don't like, I'm not going to be buying it. Regardless of how long I've been a fan. And I certainly won't be coming here to tell everyone of how I've jumped ship. While it may not appeal to some, it will apeal to others. I would respect their choice and not condemn the music they still like to listen to.
> When did I say he's dreadful? I said he's going downhill, and his recent
> output has been pretty dreadful, yes. His output over his career as a
> whole blows 95% percent of all others out of the water. That's why I'm a
> fan and will probably always be a fan. To be a fan you do not need to love
> and appreciate everything an artist does. It's true I have lost a large
> amount of faith that's he still capable of greatness, yes. But I'm loyal
> and I'll continue to support him regardless. I'm sure he still has some
> good songs in him, but the well appears to have run dry for the most part.
> This is based on what I've seen of his work the past few years. Meaning
> his last album, those ridiculous new song titles that seem in the same
> vein as the Maladjusted songs, hearing the new songs live on tour, and the
> last TV appearances he gave in the states and the UK.
> Above all, my devotion to his music makes me a more than suitable critic,
> and I have a right to my opinion and I've given it. That's all.
Jesus..."I should say when I say "you" I don't mean you personally but those who seem to partake in this activity." I've never had a problem with someone professing an opinion. If you recall "This is not to say that one cannot have an opinion, but when it becomes a personal attack it is no longer in the best interest of a discussion, it’s just someone who likes to name call."
I have no issue with you or your opinion. My issue comes from those who come here to unfairly criticise and name call.
Just in case the point was lost, this message, and all the other messages I have written are not about you. I'm merely explaining my feelings when it comes to that small faction of people who read this board. I agree let's keep it about the music.
