a plea for peace

[david]

> I post here, in chat, and on the site under one name. It's always the
> same. Sandoval, from Madrid. Tonight, I come here after 2 weeks and read
> all kinds of bad things, people making death threats, people calling each
> other names, very long threads about a Dinosour band I have never heard
> of, etc.

> Please. This is not the guestbook. We are not like Allure, Helen, &
> Rain Man. We are not insane.

True.

> To those who are making death threats against Mr. Improper, please stop.

> To those who are making death threats for Mr. Improper, please stop.

I doubt anyone would waste their time.

> To Mr. Improper, I know you don't need to call people ass clowns, say you
> are going to bash their skulls in, or have sex with their mothers to make
> your points. I know you are smarter than that.

i wouldn't bet on it.

> To Patrick McCann, please, can you stop being so dogmatic. We all have our
> different views. Spirited debate is good, but it seems like you must
> always have the last word.

but that's why we love Patrick!

> To Belligerent Ghoul, if you are posting under various names stop. I
> believe you if you say you are new here, as Popsicle was very smart but
> could be mean. You seem nicer.

> To all others:

> The only other person I know who posts here, in chat, and on the message
> board under 1 name, is Nonesoever. That's it.

> Everyone else has 3 names:

> 1 - for message board
> 1 - for chat
> 1 - for main site

I have 2 names, David and DavidTwigg. I use both in here under the same e-mail address, David in the chatroom and DavidTwigg in the main bit and the journals. They are both my name. They are not aliases.

> Patrick McCann, Dumbledore, Bluenose, Chill, Mr. Improper, Weib, Chill
> Pill, Johnny, Hallahook, Skinhead Escapes, Shadowplay, The Magic Fairy,
> Ruffian, Devils & Celtic, In Pearl Jam We Trust, Flopper, Dirk
> McNasty, Gender Nectar, and all others:

> Would you have me believe that you don't come to chat?

Most people don't. If they did, chat would be over-run with people

> Would you have me believe that you don't post on the main board?

Yawn.

> The facts are that most of you do, but you do so with different names.
> Why? Because you are cowards? No, because you want those personas and
> these personas kept seperate, for whatever your reasons may be. And this
> is okay. Just don't kick someone else for doing it. I wish we could get
> back to the way things were before. Do you remember? Yes, I have not
> posted for a while, because I like to observe, and I always have been
> quiet, but this places seems to be getting more nasty all the time. This
> is our community. There is rarely, if ever a need to make personal
> attacks. Stay on the topics presented. There is rarely, if ever, the need
> to use vulgar language. Let's keep the discourse civil. After all, don't
> we all love Morrissey? Yes. Are we not then connected in some way? I think
> so.

> I am so sad now. I go.

> Paz (peace).

> from Madrid,

> Sandoval

 

[david]

Re: I love the way you write

> I know I'm intelligent. Far too intelligent to even be bothered that
> someone would devalue me as a human being for being only intelligent and
> not both intelligent and hot.

> I could be hot if I wanted to be and I think I will be someday when I am
> ready. As it is, I really have nothing to motivate me. Men are no real
> motivation. Why should I make myself hot so I can date men who would never
> talk to me as I am now or who at least would never consider me as anything
> other than a friend? As far as I'm concerned, most of those men are
> assholes and I can date assholes now. They just wouldn't be hot assholes,
> but so f***ing what? Looks are the first thing to go...

yes, but on the last pictures (when you were wearing the glasses) you looked hot. So you are intelligent and hot.

 

[Bluenose]

I VERY rarely go in the chatroom. On the odd occasion I have popped my head around the corner, it has been as Bluenose. Why would I use another name?

I think boredom has set in with some people and that's why they are posting a load of baloney. Just ingore 'em. They'll find something else to do soon enough.

> Patrick McCann, Dumbledore, Bluenose, Chill, Mr. Improper, Weib, Chill
> Pill, Johnny, Hallahook, Skinhead Escapes, Shadowplay, The Magic Fairy,
> Ruffian, Devils & Celtic, In Pearl Jam We Trust, Flopper, Dirk
> McNasty, Gender Nectar, and all others:

> Would you have me believe that you don't come to chat?

> Would you have me believe that you don't post on the main board?

> The facts are that most of you do, but you do so with different names.
> Why? Because you are cowards? No, because you want those personas and
> these personas kept seperate, for whatever your reasons may be. And this
> is okay. Just don't kick someone else for doing it. I wish we could get
> back to the way things were before. Do you remember? Yes, I have not
> posted for a while, because I like to observe, and I always have been
> quiet, but this places seems to be getting more nasty all the time. This
> is our community. There is rarely, if ever a need to make personal
> attacks. Stay on the topics presented. There is rarely, if ever, the need
> to use vulgar language. Let's keep the discourse civil. After all, don't
> we all love Morrissey? Yes. Are we not then connected in some way? I think
> so.

> I am so sad now. I go.

> Paz (peace).

> from Madrid,

> Sandoval

 

[Let's Go Devils and Celtic]

After all, don't
> we all love Morrissey? Yes.
Not In PJ we trust. The only Ex-Smith he likes is Johnny Marr.
I snuck in the chat room a couple of times after I heard it was so bad and it wasn't. The people in there were really nice and funny.

 

[Dirk McNasty]

Er, don't like chat rooms and never visit them. And I do post now and again on the main page under my, er, real name of "Dirk McNasty"... okay? Cheers!

> I post here, in chat, and on the site under one name. It's always the
> same. Sandoval, from Madrid. Tonight, I come here after 2 weeks and read
> all kinds of bad things, people making death threats, people calling each
> other names, very long threads about a Dinosour band I have never heard
> of, etc.

> Please. This is not the guestbook. We are not like Allure, Helen, &
> Rain Man. We are not insane.

> To those who are making death threats against Mr. Improper, please stop.

> To those who are making death threats for Mr. Improper, please stop.

> To Mr. Improper, I know you don't need to call people ass clowns, say you
> are going to bash their skulls in, or have sex with their mothers to make
> your points. I know you are smarter than that.

> To Patrick McCann, please, can you stop being so dogmatic. We all have our
> different views. Spirited debate is good, but it seems like you must
> always have the last word.

> To Belligerent Ghoul, if you are posting under various names stop. I
> believe you if you say you are new here, as Popsicle was very smart but
> could be mean. You seem nicer.

> To all others:

> The only other person I know who posts here, in chat, and on the message
> board under 1 name, is Nonesoever. That's it.

> Everyone else has 3 names:

> 1 - for message board
> 1 - for chat
> 1 - for main site

> Patrick McCann, Dumbledore, Bluenose, Chill, Mr. Improper, Weib, Chill
> Pill, Johnny, Hallahook, Skinhead Escapes, Shadowplay, The Magic Fairy,
> Ruffian, Devils & Celtic, In Pearl Jam We Trust, Flopper, Dirk
> McNasty, Gender Nectar, and all others:

> Would you have me believe that you don't come to chat?

> Would you have me believe that you don't post on the main board?

> The facts are that most of you do, but you do so with different names.
> Why? Because you are cowards? No, because you want those personas and
> these personas kept seperate, for whatever your reasons may be. And this
> is okay. Just don't kick someone else for doing it. I wish we could get
> back to the way things were before. Do you remember? Yes, I have not
> posted for a while, because I like to observe, and I always have been
> quiet, but this places seems to be getting more nasty all the time. This
> is our community. There is rarely, if ever a need to make personal
> attacks. Stay on the topics presented. There is rarely, if ever, the need
> to use vulgar language. Let's keep the discourse civil. After all, don't
> we all love Morrissey? Yes. Are we not then connected in some way? I think
> so.

> I am so sad now. I go.

> Paz (peace).

> from Madrid,

> Sandoval

 

[Patrick McCann]

I've never been in the chatroom either. I use cafes to come here and that's it. I spend too much time in them as it is without going to the chatroom.
And I don't always have to have the last word.

Now...let that be the last word on the matter.

 

[Patrick McCann]

'wee' is a scottish thing, b.ghoul. The english say 'little'. Except the fake ones who want to be scottish. And who can blame them?
Glad to be of help.
Anything else you want to know about these isles, just ask...erm Johnny or Ruffian or somebody else. I'm a busy man, y'know.

> I appreciate and agree with most of what you have written. But if you
> would go look, you would see that I am registered here on this message
> board, on the main page, and in chat as "Belligerent Ghoul,"
> which is why nobody else can register that name. If you don't believe me,
> Sandoval, go and find out for yourself.

> I don't wish to be known as PopsicleBoy, though everyone has figured out,
> or would have figured out in time, that yes, I was him.

> Why did I change? Because of my reputation? No. Because I had a stalker?
> No. Because I wrote some nasty posts? No, everyone makes mistakes, and I
> was a newbie when I did stupid stuff.

> Why? Because it was a juvenile name and I got tired of it.

> I am a 29 year old man. I don't need to go by such a childish name.

> It was a good name for a newbie, not for someone who is a wee bit older
> (there I go with the fake English accent again), a bit wiser, and who
> wants to have mature, civil, respectful, exchanges.

> In addition, David Tseng, defaulted my Karma to a -1, and I got tired of
> posting with a great deal of thought & insight, and getting those
> kinds of scores. I suspect he might do the same to me with this name. And
> if he does so be it. I know that in as much as I have been a wanker (more
> fake British on my part), I have made great contributions too. I know very
> well all that I am, all that I have done, all that I have not done, and
> all that I have been accused of doing.

> The End.

 

[Belligerent Ghoul]

Thanks Patrick

I regret, in my backpacking through Europe when I was 24 years old, for 4 months, never going to the Isle of Skye. Time and weather were not in my favor. Next time, I go to Scotland (Inshallah), I will get to see this beautiful part of the world.

 

[Bluenose]

Top Song!!

I had it on my walkman only this morning. It sends shivers down my spine that song. In a positive way, I mean.

> To all that you have written so eloquently in this post, I say: Amen.

> I may be moving to England, soon...though in my heart I am hoping it does
> not come to that, because the USA is my country after all.

> It may have been camelot for jack and jacqueline
> But on the che guevara highway filling up with gasoline
> Fidel castro’s brother spies a rich lady who’s crying
> Over luxury’s disappointment
> So he walks over and he’s trying
> To sympathise with her but he thinks that he should warn her
> That the third world is just around the corner

> In the soviet union a scientist is blinded
> By the resumption of nuclear testing and he is reminded
> That dr robert oppenheimer’s optimism fell
> At the first hurdle

> In the cheese pavilion and the only noise I hear
> Is the sound of someone stacking chairs
> And mopping up spilt beer
> And someone asking questions and basking in the light
> Of the fifteen fame filled minutes of the fanzine writer

> Mixing pop and politics he asks me what the use is
> I offer him embarrassment and my usual excuses
> While looking down the corridor
> Out to where the van is waiting
> I’m looking for the great leap forwards

> Jumble sales are organised and pamphlets have been posted
> Even after closing time there’s still parties to be hosted
> You can be active with the activists
> Or sleep in with the sleepers
> While you’re waiting for the great leap forwards

> One leap forward, two leaps back
> Will politics get me the sack?

> Here comes the future and you can’t run from it
> If you’ve got a blacklist I want to be on it

> It’s a mighty long way down rock ’n roll
> From top of the pops to drawing the dole

> If no one seems to understand
> Start your own revolution and cut out the middleman

> In a perfect world we’d all sing in tune
> But this is reality so give me some room

> So join the struggle while you may
> The revolution is just a t-shirt away
> Waiting for the great leap forwards

> - Billy Bragg

 

[Uncleskinny]

Re: Top Song!!

> I had it on my walkman only this morning. It sends shivers down my spine
> that song. In a positive way, I mean.

And also by Mr William Bragg - It Says Here, including the immortal couplets -

"Where politics mix with bingo and tits in a money and numbers game" and...
"They offer you an article on stockings and suspenders next to a call for stiffer penalties for sex offenders"

Splendid.

Sk.

 

[Mr.Improper PIMP to the NHLPA]

Re: You wanna ,wanna,wanna,wanna DO It with Farm Animals????

 

[Jo]

Re: I was wondering where my bike went.

Wow. I think I love you.

 

[Let's Go Devils and Celtic]

Re: I was wondering where my bike went.

> Oh dear. It looks like Mr. Improper is one of those "patriotic"
> people who has no grasp on what it means to be truly American. Seriously,
> anyone who uses the tired old line "if you don't like it, get
> out" should have their citizenship instantly revoked. How uninspired.
> It shows that one clearly has no clue as to the ideals upon which this
> country was built. The point was never to just take things lying down, to
> just accept the status quo. The Founding Fathers would say that people who
> think that way are the true un-Americans. The real un-Americans are the
> people who don't complain about anything and think everything is fine the
> way it is and believe whatever authority figures tell them to believe.
> Learn to think for yourself. I seem to remember your posts from a month or
> so before the war. You had some really negative things to say about the
> Bush administration and the idea of the war. All of a sudden you changed
> your tune. What the hell happened? Were you indoctrinated by Fox News and
> Bush's lies?

> If I were really and truly anti-American, I'd keep my damn mouth shut and
> let this country go to hell in a handbasket without saying a word. As it
> is, I can't change anything, but I sure as hell don't have to let people
> think I'm happy with the way everything is. Yes, I do plan on leaving the
> United States eventually, but that has more to do with the feeling I have
> had all my life that I was born in the wrong place for whatever reason (a
> feeling I have had reinforced by numerous people who have told me I should
> have been European -- and no, they weren't trying to insult me). It has
> nothing to do with my alleged hatred of America. I don't hate the place. I
> hate the people in charge because they don't give a f*** about any of us.

> And remember, the reason things never get better is because too many
> people think that way. If you don't like it, get out. If you're not with
> us, you're against us. Things will never be perfect, so why bother trying
> to improve anything? That's a really f***ed up way to think. It's a moral
> copout. Face it. There are some things in this country that need fixing.
> To deny that is to be severely out of touch with reality. And to criticize
> people for trying to bring attention to the things that need changing is
> unconscionable and irresponsible. It is also to keep Blake's
> "mind-forg'd manacles" firmly in place, to aid and abet your own
> imprisonment.

If you want things to change, you have to be determined and a little creative,which are qualities I believe you have. Go to those council meetings, campaign for a person who best represents your beliefs, or even run for a political office yourself. There is a 20 year old running for mayor of a town in NJ.
President Clinton came from very modest beginnings and if you have the drive, passion, and intelligence you can make a difference in this world.

 

[Mr.Improper PIMP to the NHLPA]

Re: I was wondering where my bike went.

Mindy,I hear you get all the free food you can eat in office??? that alone should inspire you to run. Salad bars and buffets will never be the same in the town/city/state you live in,if you make it into office.

 

[Ruffian]

> Patrick McCann, Dumbledore, Bluenose, Chill, Mr. Improper, Weib, Chill
> Pill, Johnny, Hallahook, Skinhead Escapes, Shadowplay, The Magic Fairy,
> Ruffian, Devils & Celtic, In Pearl Jam We Trust, Flopper, Dirk
> McNasty, Gender Nectar, and all others:

I appreciate your request for consistency. Keep your name, nake your comments and stand by them. Can't understand why people make comments under different guises. Frustrating, and yet you can almost tell who they are anyway.

And incredulous as this is, I don't do chat!(well, been there about 3 times for 10 minutes in the last 4 years)! I haven't got the time to be honest.. and no-one ever seems to say anything.. Anyway, if I do, I am RUFFIAN, you will know me by the trail of the dead, and I always will be that name, and terribly consistent..

All the Best,
Spring Heeled Andy xx

PS, Patrick is a perdantic old b*stard, but it wouldn't be the same if he was nice. You must remember that he probably got shocked with a cattle prod in 1977 by a maverick bouncer at a Pistols gig or something, and has never been the same.