posted by davidt on Monday October 04 2004, @09:00AM
Requiescant Inpacce writes:

An (admittedly fantastic) new compilation CD from Rough Trade records called 'Rough Trade Shops: Indiepop 1' has rather annoyingly taken three pot-shots at Morrissey within it's accompanying booklet.

The booklet features essays by Sean (no surname given) who compiled the CD; The Legend!(a.k.a. Everett True, former NME jounalist and indiepop fanatic); and Matt Hayes, co-founder of Indie label 'Sarah Records'.

In Sean's essay he says, completely apropos of nothing; "Also why do we let Morrissey away with spouting potentially inflamatory comments about immigration. Dont give this man column inches.He is a bigot. The world is, of course, for everyone. No borders". This comes out of the blue in an interesting article about his love of 80s Indie records. There's no connection with anything else in his essay.

In Everett True's piece he claims; "I never liked it when Indie became codified into a description. In the mid-80s Indie grew to mean 'white middle-class boys playing jangling guitars who own every Smiths album and a couple of early Creation singles'.

Later he says; "Us cutie kids, as we sickeningly became known, considered Morrissey a fraud. We knew there was no way he could get up there and sing those words, if he really felt like that".

Everett True is a brilliant writer, and tireless champion of alternative music, so it's rather disappointing that he should single out Morrissey for such an attack.

Sean, on the other hand,later shoots himself in the self-righteous foot when he writes; "['I Know Someone Who Knows Someone Who Knows Alan McGee Quite Well' by The Pooh Sticks] still makes me laugh out loud to this day, but, then again, so does 'Mind Your Language'". For the uninitiated, 'Mind Your Language' was an excruciatingly racist British sitcom from the late 1970s in which VERY stereotypical foreigners try to learn English, with 'hilarious' results.

Anyway, the CD is well worth buying, even if the booklet does make the blood boil.
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  • Morrissey a bigot? Hardly. If he was, do you honestly think he'd allow the Dears to open his Toronto show?
    Anonymous -- Monday October 04 2004, @09:37AM (#128141)
  • hasn't he fucked off somewhere for good? just another also-ran loudmouth legend in his own lunchtime, championing non-events (riot grrl) running down great bands (posies) and of course STILL stabbing away at morrissey. they can't stop, they'll never stop!
     
    it's so great to be an older (38) fan enjoying moz's new success and his increasingly revered body of work, all without dirtying my hands on NME & melody maker.

    indie professionals: yuk, keep 'em away!!
    Anonymous -- Monday October 04 2004, @09:42AM (#128144)
  • No need for any of these pundits' comments.

    Moz is NOT a bigot, that much is obvious! He has explained the context to 'Bengali In Platforms' and 'The National Front Disco' many times. As to his immigration comments - isn't he entitled to an opinion then? This is just more-politically-correct-than-thou stuff.

    Secondly, it hardly matters whether Morrissey meant every word he sang (and I believe he did) - the point is, he stood up for the loner, the outsider, and expressed honest emotions to which we could relate. We were, and are, given a spokesperson who cuts through the bullshit. Morrissey has given us that.

    Thirdly, the Smiths were the best indie band of the last thirty years, period. The demographic of their fans is entirely irrelevant, be they working class, middle class or otherwise. Or should we "close our borders" to fans who don't fit the "right-on" indie stereotype. Such cobblers.
    Anonymous -- Monday October 04 2004, @10:08AM (#128156)
  • I think what's most interesting in all this is that this was on a Rough Trade compilation, the label that was not only Morrissey's home for many years, but the label of which was saved by Morrissey and Marr. Without The Smiths, Rough Trade--along with many other indie labels, since Rough Trade distribution was faltering along, and would have taken down lots of little labels with it--would be long out of business. I'm sure Geoff Travis's summer house was paid for by Morrissey, so how he and Rough Trade could allow such slagging off of one of their own is pretty damn shallow and wrong. Travis is an old git anyway; when their latest signings are the Moldy Peaches, god help them.
    Anonymous -- Monday October 04 2004, @10:40AM (#128166)
  • It's Matt Haynes, not Hayes.
    Librarian on Fire -- Monday October 04 2004, @12:01PM (#128196)
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    • Yeah...I know... by Requiescant Inpacce (Score:1) Tuesday October 05 2004, @10:14AM
  • Funny, isn't it, how the people who intone the word 'white' as the worst possible insult and call anyone who has the temerity to question that logic 'a bigot' are themselves almost always white.
    Anonymous -- Monday October 04 2004, @12:06PM (#128197)
  • There are two kinds of people when it comes to this sort of comment, a) those who understood and appreciated The Smiths and Morrissey and b) those who didnt, and subsequently felt left out, and react like spoilt children.

    Morrissey is a cult hero and a very very intelligent man, this is not to say he is above criticism, however, the comments that were made in this instance are juvenile and smack of jelousy and resentment to me.

    Not everybody has to like Moz as a person or enjoy his music, but criticism should be well informed and sensible. None of these comments come any where near that.

    On the other hand, I dont know who is more stupid, them for writing it, or me taking time to react to such nonesense.
    Anonymous -- Monday October 04 2004, @12:55PM (#128211)
  • Morrisey made Rough Trade, now they decide to be yet another knife in his back!
    Sean+ Evettte ROT IN HELL you pathetic ignorant TWATS I'm sick of people making their name by putting other people down.
    Name a motorway lets hope for a pile up!
    Look what MORRISSEY means to Andrea & Bryan (R.I.P.)
    ROUGHTRADE should NOT get away with this.
    I suggest WE BOYCOTT the cd in RESPECT for OURSELVES and our MAN!
    RUSS
    russ.vicki -- Monday October 04 2004, @01:55PM (#128259)
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  • How can you call it "Excrutiatingly Rascist".
    It was just a harmless bloody comedy. We didn't have all this pc piffle in the 70's.
    Anonymous -- Monday October 04 2004, @09:17PM (#128410)
  • I hope Morrissey is getting in touch with his lawyers immediately. His comments on immigration in the NME were fair, although perhaps misjudged seeing as he lives in LA.
    jammystressfordpoet -- Tuesday October 05 2004, @03:40AM (#128496)
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  • and do not buy this rot..............

    steal it (or download it).

                          That'll learn 'em !
    the-loafing-oaf -- Tuesday October 05 2004, @04:12AM (#128508)
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  • If the world is for everyone, why does this Sean person want to have anyone who disagrees with him silenced? Sounds like just another Stalinist leftoid to me.
    LoafingOaf <reversethis-{moc ... otstnilfcitnarf}> -- Tuesday October 05 2004, @10:51AM (#128644)
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    Fuck it, Dude. Let's go bowling.
  • And this Everett fellow sounds like the bigot to me, with his bigotry towards white middle-class people.

    Yawn. These people are just boring left wing cliches.
    LoafingOaf <reversethis-{moc ... otstnilfcitnarf}> -- Tuesday October 05 2004, @10:54AM (#128645)
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    Fuck it, Dude. Let's go bowling.
  • To be fair to Everett, he didn't use the word 'bigot', yet his anger at Indie-kids being described as 'white middle-class boys' is a little off the mark. Most of the people in the bands that he championed WERE indeed white, but that's hardly anybody's fault is it?

    As someone myself who entrenched himself in 'Indiepop'(and still does, if he's being honest), it's this assertion that True can speak for me, and other Indie-kids, in saying that we all thought Morrissey was fraud that bugs me.
    Does he think that members of Jesse Garon & The Desperadoes or The Fizzbombs thought Morrissey was a fraud? If so, how come I saw Andrew from The Desperadoes and Margarita from The Fizzbombs at some of the recent Scottish concerts?

    Morrissey seems to have become an easy target for those who wish to indulge in cliqueish snobbery, almost as if some people detest the idea of someone from an independent pop/rock background having anything like a lengthy or succesful career.

    Everett True was the biggest champion of Nirvana. If Kurt was still alive and pursuing some kind of major star trip would he berate him in such a fashion?

    Quite probably, actually.
    Requiescant Inpacce -- Tuesday October 05 2004, @12:31PM (#128704)
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