posted by davidt on Tuesday December 24 2002, @10:00AM
Fallon writes:

There's an interview with Simon Goddard at 3AM Magazine [link resizes browser] which talks at quite some length about his Smiths finds when researching "Songs That Saved Your Life". Excerpt:

3AM: Some of the little details you uncover are fascinating also. In the initial takes of "There Is A Light..." for example, Morrissey sings: "There is a light in your eyes and it never goes out." A tiny insight like that is very revealing...

SG: It is, isn't it. I found that one particularly interesting because I always though that the light was, I don't know, in someone's bedroom window or in the car or something. So it being a light in one's eye, like the symbolic light of love, I think that's just beautiful. Very interesting to ponder on why exactly he cut that out, it certainly adds to the mystery. But I was fascinated also that at his recent UK shows, even playing "There Is A Light" as the encore he never sang the song's title at the end (the audience normally compensated) and he never used to when on stage with The Smiths either. These are the things that keep one awake at night I suppose.
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  • I regard myself as something of a 'in the know' Morrissey/Smiths fan... and never knew that. I really know nothing - how exciting!
    Anonymous -- Tuesday December 24 2002, @10:26AM (#51868)
  • How informative. What a terrific christmas present.
    Anonymous -- Tuesday December 24 2002, @11:24AM (#51873)
  • I want it! :(
    Anonymous -- Tuesday December 24 2002, @11:30AM (#51875)
  • i find that very interesting because i never knew that and i still always thought of the light as being in somebodys eyes. i get certain images in my mind when i listen to a song and when i hear "there is a light" i imagine im looking into somebodys eyes and i can see a light or something... oh whatever... merry xmas and happy new year.
    Laura86b -- Tuesday December 24 2002, @12:05PM (#51878)
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  • That shed a lot of light that will finally get out there ;^)
    I'm really just Some Totally Random Moz Fan
  • how do i get my hands on this book?
    Anonymous -- Tuesday December 24 2002, @12:40PM (#51881)
    • Re:help! (Score:2, Informative)

      I ordered it off of www.amazonuk.com , I'm not totally sure about the price, but it was less than $20. I had tried special ordering from several major chain bookstores, but they all said that it would not be available till May. I only ordered it today, and it's the first time I've ordered from amazonuk, but it's worth a try, as I did find lots of other Smiths/Morrissey items that are hard to find in the states.
      sonheir -- Wednesday December 25 2002, @11:34PM (#51930)
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      All (wo)men have secrets and here is mine....
  • I ordered it from Amazon, should arrive after Xmas - it is in absolutely no bookshops.

    - Fallon
    Anonymous -- Tuesday December 24 2002, @01:06PM (#51883)
  • What an absolutely wonderful interview. One of the most insightful and enjoyable Smiths discussions I have witnessed in quite some time.

    Goddard's insight is truly interesting, and I agree with much of his assessment of The Smiths' legacy, and the role of the band.

    I believe that this book can be purchased through Amazon.com UK, but is still unpublished in the U.S.

    I definitely have to get my hands on it.
    Anonymous -- Tuesday December 24 2002, @01:07PM (#51884)
  • Great stuff. BUT...

    Is this chap saying he thought TIALTNGO was literally about a light which never went out??! I rather thought everyone would take it to mean something more poetic than that. I doubt it would be such a fan favourite if people thought it was about long-lasting lightbulbs.

    But anyway - fine work Mr Goddard!
    Boy With The Thorn -- Tuesday December 24 2002, @02:43PM (#51891)
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  • Simon Goddard's book is a great collection of rare recordings details, trivia and anecdotes, BUT his own descriptions of the music are occasionally hilariously bad. See what Dickon Edwards writes in his blog:

    http://www.livejournal.com/talkread.bml?journal=dickon_edwards&itemid=20968
    Anonymous -- Tuesday December 24 2002, @03:20PM (#51893)
  • this is interesting information, but i sincerely wish that someone less obnoxious had the interest to compile it. i'd love to read more but i don't think i could handle an entire book written by someone who uses "pretty shit" as a complimentary term (several times, too.).

    ordinarily it seems self righteous and a bit pathetic to critique the musical tastes of others, but his comparisons to the smiths are insulting. i really don't see any likeness between the smiths and nirvana, to compare their first record to the strokes is downright cruel, and am i the only one who is sick of hearing about oasis?

    the obvious animosity towards morrissey is funny, though.
    ashley -- Tuesday December 24 2002, @05:45PM (#51900)
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  • when will it be published in the u.s.? amazon.com just says "not yet published", but lets you order it.
    Anonymous -- Tuesday December 24 2002, @11:53PM (#51905)
  • In Fresno they started the show with "There is a light..." and Morrissey actually sings the line.
    Sven68 -- Wednesday December 25 2002, @02:40AM (#51907)
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  • This book is about songs written by Morrissey & Marr. They don't colaborate at all. How good can it be then? Not as good as it sholud be.

    Rourke and Joyce were excellent musicians and of course they knew how to match after a non stop playing, recording and touring. But their insight on the songs will always be limited. It was M & M who ruled.

    I don't want anyone to explain me what There's A Light or I Won't Share you are about. I WON?T BUY IT.

    Manuel
    Anonymous -- Wednesday December 25 2002, @02:58AM (#51908)
  • To everyone having doubts about the Goddard-book, please don't! This is a truly insightful book and absolutely unmissable (is that a word?) to true Moz/Smiths fans.
    Far more insightful than Johnny Rogan's books, concerning the songs anyway. This book is an absolute goldmine!
    Spineless Swine <[email protected]> -- Wednesday December 25 2002, @01:58PM (#51919)
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    Leave your future behind you.
  • I was indeed lucky enough to recieve STSYL for christmas and its a truly fascinating read. Its full of brilliant bits of information just like the one highlighted.

    One the subject of "There Is A Light...", i always did think of the light as being love for somebody, and the love will never die.

    I strongly recommend the book to all music lovers, as it gives an excellent insight as to how the songs that saved your life were created.
    mozismurder -- Thursday December 26 2002, @08:51AM (#51941)
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    Mind your bleedin' own you two bob c-nt
  • Please Please Please (Score:2, Interesting)

    Well you can't please all the people all the time but I'd agree with the majority here who give STSYL a big thumbs-up.

    There's info in there that's never been revealed before - lost lyrics, recording info, technical stuff, some REAL trivia - a lot of the anecdotes are quite funny and even if he gets a bit carried away (surely nobody can like "Death Of A Disco Dancer" THAT much?) Goddard obviously loves the Smiths to pieces and his passion validates that of the reader. Better a book like this be written by a proper fan, which he obviously is, than some cynical journo on the make. And it sounds like those people who are slagging it off are just a bit pissed off that they never knew all this stuff until now.
    Alf Ramsey's Revenge -- Thursday December 26 2002, @11:21AM (#51946)
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    It's all a matter of opinion...
  • I would love to read this book. I didn't even know that the first smiths record had been produced by someone else and I take it sounds radically different from the version we've always heard. It would be awesome if Warner Bros. would release them in a 2CD package. I was wondering also if anyone connected to this site has any info on where to send Morrissey mail? I'd love to send him a xmas card. I know so many people have said this but I love him, there's no one else like the MOZ on this ridiculous planet.

    NYC Rocker
    NYC Rocker -- Sunday December 29 2002, @10:41PM (#52095)
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  • I always, when I hear "There is a Light...." read that repeating line towards the end as some sort of ecstatic, religious-like vision, being that there's death involved in the lyrics, that's how associate that line, I never thought or to this day think it means a light in a window like some people having been posting.
    NYC Rocker -- Monday December 30 2002, @01:40PM (#52127)
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  • I'm quite surprised that nobody has come up with this so far - but I think one of the subtle meanings of a "light that never goes out" is a religious one.

    In Catholic tradition, a candle is placed on the grave of a beloved one on All Saints or All Souls Day. This candle is supposed to "never go out" and thus symbolize the entering of the soul into eternity. Given Moz's Irish background I am pretty sure he was aware of this symbolism and used it deliberately in this song.

    Surely the "light" in a metaphorical sense such as the light in someone's eyes (as refered to in the original version) or the light of love are also meanings that Morrissey wanted to put into this line. But given that the line comes up only at the very end of the song, when the morbid phantasies of the singer have become apparent, I believe the interpretation above also comes into play...

    Well, these are my two Euro-Cents....
    Roy S. Keane -- Wednesday January 01 2003, @11:54AM (#52198)
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  • ...And it is an absolutely astonishing read. I followed The Smiths from start to finish and have always despaired at the anal nonsense that's sprung up around the band's legend, but this book is the real thing. Reading about tracks like "A Matter of Opinion" and the several unreleased instrumentals is fascinating stuff. Has anyone here actually heard "Matter of Opinion"?...or the bossa nova version of "Golden Lights"?...or "I Want a Boy For My Birthday"? Anyway, get this book. You won't be able to put it down. (No mention of The Smiths recording Elvis's "A Fool Such As I" though. Surely whoever first said they recorded it wasn't telling porkies?!)

    Andreas Stavros
    Anonymous -- Thursday January 02 2003, @10:58PM (#52240)
    • Fool Such As I by Anonymous (Score:0) Friday January 03 2003, @08:14AM


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