I read on Terra - a prominent brazilian internet website - that Mr. Morrissey mentioned Jean Charles de Menezes murder during one of his shows.
Morrissey homenageia Jean Charles em show no Reino Unido
I would like to thank the artist, as well as the entire staff of this tour for this pertinent homage. I visited London two years ago and could notice some remarkable aspects of its culture: despite the moral discomfort found in any metropolitan area, we can see how Englishmen can still extend attention and solidarity to foreing people.
Living in Rio de Janeiro and working with less-income populations from Brazil, I certainly experience this discomfort on another scale. State/Government violence is one of many daily aspects we have to deal with.
This is why I recognize the importance of Mr. Morrissey political act: no matter where you are, life is a moral value which will always have to be defended.
· NME
· Brixton (July 22) post-show
· Morrissey pays tribute to police shooting victim Jean Charles de Menezes
· Morrissey homenageia Jean Charles em show no Reino Unido
· More Morrissey stories
· More Index stories
· Also by davidt
Jean Charles (Score:1)
(User #20608 Info)
An anniversary never to be forgotten... (Score:1)
Every time 'new emergency laws' are proposed. We were supposedly 45 minutes away from obliteration by W.O.D. Lies and deception from Blair: The closet-case, too ashamed to come out and say 'I'm a Catholic' so as not to rock the British Establishment and raise awkward questions about our rotten Parliament and pointless monarch(y).
It is especially poignant and important given the nonsense of the 'racism' allegations Morrissey was subjected to. Everyone leaving Brixton Academy would have walked the buzzing multi-ethnic streets of London, streets where a Brazilian electrician was executed because 'he looked like a 'Muslim terrorist. He looked 'foreign' in other word. Alien. Not one of us: Whoever that 'us' is supposed to be, and whoever in the Metropolitan Police was responsible for this miserable failure to keeps the streets of London safe for it's inhabitants.
I hope Morrissey's Muse moves him to commemorate Jean-Charles De Menezes in song. Whether human or animal, all sentient beings have Sentient Rights:
"A death for no reason. And death for no reason is: Murder"
(User #11602 Info)
well.. (Score:0)
Re:well.. (Score:2, Informative)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1496382/Shot-Brazilian-did-not-jump-barrier-and-run.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1568710/Sir-Ian-Blair-tried-to-block-IPCC-inquiry.html
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2005/08/17/last-seconds-of-shot-dead-tube-victim-115875-15865780/
what emerged was that senior police knew JCDM had nothing to do with terrorism soon after the killing but didn't inform Metropolitan Police commissioner Sir Ian Blair for 24 hours, allowing false stories about barrier-jumping to circulate. it also emerged that Blair tried to delay the IPCC starting their inquiries.
the police apologists should think just for a moment about how they'd feel if the dead man was their relative or friend. yes the police is made of flawed humans but as an institution the police service is meant to uphold high standards and they failed twice on this occasion, first in killing an innocent man and second in trying to manage the news.
anyways some people just can't be bothered
(User #12826 Info)
Parent
getting away with it all messed up... (Score:1)
(User #16766 Info)
Re:getting away with it all messed up... (Score:2, Interesting)
still catholic kids have go over 'orange'streets
and get throwed rubbish at them
this is not your country is possibly the only
song he might had that in mind, but it could've been what's left of once was the land of Tito
[yuguslavia]
so many situtions, but that's also his strength
in so many songs
(User #220 Info)
Parent
I hope Moz remembers the 56 who were killed (Score:1)
It was a shambles and a disgrace that the police killed Jean Charles. Full stop.
It's just a typical Moz statement about an incident and situation where he was miles away from the coalface.
Predictable yet v disappointing.
Rather like the Michael Jackson borefest that didn't make the media.
oh.
(User #6172 Info)
Moz & Brummie Boy (Score:0)
Morrissey is no longer relevant. He has to make these kind of ignorant political statements to get some attention of the press.
Morrissey couldn't care less about Jean Charles. He doesn't care about anyone but himself.
And as far as Brummie Boy is concerned. I have never read such ingnorant shite. Quite disturbing that people can be so thick.
the war on terror. (Score:0)
nuff said.
Jean Charles de Menezes. (Score:2, Insightful)
c/o Sharon McCormick. BrummieBoys' Secretary/P.A]
BrummieBoy asked me to type this reply as he's not in a position to. I read him the 'interesting points' raised in this thread and he dictated the following in reply/response. Sorry, but no food for you naughty trolls!
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Focussing outrage on one injustice does not imply or equate to indifference towards other injustices. There are some events around which a consensus view quickly emerges. One would be that the bombings of 7/7 were a heinous attack on innocent Londoners carried out by delusional 'fanatics' posing as upholders of the only 'true' interpretation of Islam. Few people argue with passion in justification of those attacks. Amongst the dead that day were Muslims who did not choose 'martyrdom', but were volunteered. British Muslims. Although I am not aware of any public comments by Morrissey on 7/7: I am sure his views would be within this consensus view, expressing horror, sadness and indignation.
'his family have continued to rape the system for compensation is criminal'
Using the word 'rape' in relation to this familys' attempt to make sense of the senseless is perverse and an insult to rape survivors. Any compensation system is structured to ensure it compensates with due regard to the loss sustained. No amount of money will bring Jean-Charles back. Applying for compensation cannot be 'criminal' unless the facts underlying the claim are knowingly false. Jean-Charles was shot dead. That is a fact. There are the original and revised 'police version of events', the CCTV footage and witness statements. These evidential materials do not easily allow a logical consensus view to form. That's why there is so much anguish still about these events. It's possible to feel outrage and anger at BOTH the 7/7 Bombings and this shooting in Brixton. It's not an either/or situation. It’s complex. That's life. I agree that his family and supporters should follow this through to the European Court of Justice as the issues involved relate to transnational surveillance and preventative operations. If we can harmonise almost everything that moves, then we can certainly try to avoid this happening again in Paris, Rome or Madrid. If there are painful lessons to be learnt. So be it. That's part of being British. Take it on the chin. Stiff upper lip, etc. Especially if you're the Police and Security Services entrusted to stop any future atrocities.
I fail to see how the immigration status of a human being has any relevance to their right to protection from unnecessary shooting. The racism in some of these responses sadly indicates that many of Morrissey's 'fans' walk straight past the Love Music Hate Racism stalls at gigs. Doubtless with a burger in their gobs. They must really listen to the songs. LOL!
http://www.lovemusichateracism.com/
The politics and ethics of protest against animal experimentation is inexpertly raised as somehow 'relevant': Fatuously suggesting that Morrissey's passion for the rights of animals exceeds his passion for the rights of humans. Given his first full-length public statement 'The Smiths' ended with a song about the murder of innocent children, I think we can safely laugh at this particular contributor to this debate. It is, however, entirely relevant in relation to SOPCA 2005:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serious_Organised_Crime_and_Police_Act_2005
and the following court case:
http://sequani.wordpress.com/sequani-six/
Expressing alarm about that case does not mean endorsing terrorist methods. That would be an inference. Without substance.The connection with Jean-Charles and Animal Rights Protestors is a frightening extent of the power of the Police and State Legal apparatus. And a reduction in their accountability for their actions. It's worth remembering what the Coroner actually said:
"I so direct you that the evidence in this case, taken at
(User #11602 Info)
Re:Jean Charles de Menezes. (Score:2, Insightful)
For a 'nut job', you have a firm grasp on logic and reason.
The very fact that the police began to lie and obscure immediately following the shooting is fairly damning proof that they themselves understood the full extent of what it was they had done.
It is how the police behaved once the blood had run cold that, more than the shooting itself, has caused many people to feel that the police, as an institution, has a tendency to place its own interests high above its duty to the British people.
There is a profusion of comments on this thread that appear unable to see this incident as anything more than another example of 'shit happening'. I can't help but feel that this tepid response to such a tragic and horrifying event is the true indicator of psychological dysfuntion.
Thanks again.
(User #21148 Info)
Parent
Murder (Score:0)
Re:Ignorant. (Score:1, Informative)
A lot of these "facts" about his behaviour before the shooting have been revealed to be police propaganda.
Parent
Re:Ignorant. (Score:1)
The only facts you need to know is Jean Paul was not a terrorist- He was an innocent man who was
gunned down in Stockwell tube as he boarded a train.
The police who took part in this execution tried in vain to cover up their stupidity...
Now I'd be happy to see the Police shoot real terrorists but first of all they must get their facts right first before thay start shooting bullets....
(User #16766 Info)
Parent