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davidt
on Tuesday October 26 2004, @04:50PM
The Goat writes:
Tonight in Liverpool, Neil & Tim Finn played at the Liverpool Empire. For the first encore, Johnny Marr came on and they played 'There is a light that never goes out'. Then, Neil was saying how sorry he was to hear of John Peel's untimely death - especially as they were playing in his hometown. Someone in the crowd shouted 'Play Teenage Kicks' (refering to the seminal Undertones classic song). Johnny Marr picked up his guitar and not only played, but sang the song too. The trio then finished with a version of 'Ferry across the Mersey'. My friend attended the gig and rang me straight afterwards. --- An anonymous person also sends the John Peel obituary which appears in Uncut, with quotes from Mike Joyce.
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Peel tributes - Johnny Marr w/Neil Finn, Mike Joyce in Uncut
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I wish I could have heard (Score:1)
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Wow (Score:0, Funny)
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Ferry (Score:1)
...have always adored that one
anyone?
anyone?
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who knew? (Score:1)
all kidding aside, a fitting tribute. i would have loved to have been there for that unplanned moment. i'm sure johnny realizes how big a part john peel had in making the smiths what they ultimately became.
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Very well done. (Score:0)
I doubt anyone has this recorded, as it seems very spur-of-the-moment.
But that's marvelous news. Johnny has a wonderful sense of timing and what is-or-isn't appropriate. Love the man.
Rest in peace, John Peel. You will be sorely missed by the music world.
Teenage Kicks (Score:1)
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Fantastic (Score:1)
It was very, very cool
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Re:Fantastic (Score:2, Interesting)
a few years back i'm mindlessly suffering a linda mccartney tribute show feat. regulation rock scum, on comes johnny with marianne faithfull - she gasps 'as tears go by' but the accompaniment was ANGELIC, showing his sublime knack for arrangements regardless of his own writing. it was the only post-smiths glimpse i've had of his gift. have i missed something?
yet he keeps walking onto (other people's) stages. surely he wants to make another memorable record. can it only be with moz?? i think they will do something, but not necessarily a good thing.
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According to Popbitch (Score:0)
Johnny Marr and other things (Score:0)
But Johnny is almost a tragic figure - the flashes of genius we see when he plays brilliantly at concerts, and yes, on occasion on other people's records ('Getting Away With It', 'The Beat(en) Generation') only underline how much has been squandered. Johnny is revered, not least by ME. But he could still be revered by those who never saw The Smiths and maybe weren't even born then if he was still fulfilling his potential. I believe he and Morrissey could make a wonderful record together, I truly do. I don't think Johnny's or Morrissey's talents have vanished - Johnny's performances with N.Finn in concert evidence this. But I know that it won't happen - and there is a tragedy. Morrissey soldiers on with his rather workaday band (yes, Vauxhall is excellent, yes Arsenal is great, yes there's a few superb tracks from the 1995-2004 period BUT these days - as opposed to the 1992-4 period - the band seem solid rather than inspired), writing some great lyrics and singing better with every year, but without the truly great music to back it up; Johnny flashes his genius to us every now and again but has pretty much faded from public view. I mean, what did happen to Boz and Alain? With 'Your Arsenal' and 'Vauxhall and I' they came up trumps, two great albums on the trot, and one was left anticipating a further creative renaissance for Morrissey as the band settled in and got better. And then it just all but evaporated, bar a few great tracks. And I don't think Quarry is musically great, though Moz's singing is fab, so this situation to me is not yet overcome. Strange how things turn out.
Re:J o y c e..Joyce...no, still doesn't ring a bel (Score:0)
"It was Morrissey, Marr, Rourke and that session drummer guy Joyce."
You have no idea what an enormous ASSHOLE you are.
I feel sorry for everyone who knows you. I really do.
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Re:J o y c e..Joyce...no, still doesn't ring a bel (Score:1, Insightful)
I'm not a person of great pride, but I always felt a bit of it being a morrissey/smiths fan, and not in that arrogant, "holier than thou," "eeewww, you listen to mainstream music!" type of way. I am often impressed by the many constructive posts that are put on this forum, not to mention the people who post them. But I am equally puzzled by the irony of a web forum dedicated to a man who has promoted individualism and self-thought, yet is full of people who look to him to form their opinions.
Quite sad. Although I love morrissey's music, I can't say that I agree with everything he believes, and to attempt to is quite boring, I think.
Although this may seem like the customary morrissey-solo personal attack, I assure you it is not. More like an inquiry. So I ask again: why is it that you hold joyce in such low regard?
Oh, and before I forget, what is so special about siouxie sioux that it kills you to see joyce's name mentioned next to hers? I listened to several of her songs and have seen her live a few times. Disappointed, really. Nothing special. I've seen better opening acts, to say the least. But to each their own!
something we've all been guilty of at one time or another:
Group Minds by Doris Lessing:
People living in the West, in societies that we describe as Western, or as the free world, may be educated in many different ways, but they will all emerge with an idea about themselves that goes something like this: I am a citizen of a free society, and that means I am an individual, making individual choices. My mind is my own, my opinions are chosen by me, I am free to do as I will, and at the worst the pressures on mea are economic, that is, I may be too poor to do as I want.
This set of ideas may sound something like a caricature, but it is not so far off how we see ourselves. It is a portrait that may not have been acquired consciously, but is part of a general atmosphere or set of assumptions that influence our ideas about ourselves.
People in the West therefore may go through their entire lives never thinking to analyze this very flattering picture, and as a result are helpless against all kinds of pressures on them to conform in many kinds of ways.
The fact is that we all live our lives in groups—the family, work groups, social, religious and political groups. Very few people indeed are happy as solitaries, and they tend to be seen by their neighbors as peculiar or selfish or worse. Most people cannot stand being alone for long. They are always seeking groups to belong to, and if one group dissolves, they look for another. We are group animals still, and there is nothing wrong with that. But what is dangerous is not the belonging to a group, or groups, but not understanding the social laws that govern groups and govern us.
When we’re in a group, we tend to think as that group does: we may even have joined the group to find ‘like-minded’ people. But we also find our thinking changing because we belong to a group. It is the hardest thing in the world to maintain an individual dissident opinion, as a member of a group.
It seems to me that this is something we have all experienced—something we take for granted, may never have thought about it. But a great deal of experiment has gone on among psychologists and sociologists on this very theme. If I describe and experiment or two, then anyone listening who may be a sociologist or psychologist will groan, oh God not again—for they will have heard of these cla
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Re:J o y c e..Joyce...no, still doesn't ring a bel (Score:1)
I would have done the same thing that he did if one of my mates had 'short changed' me like Morrissey did.
Morrissey may be great..but he makes mistakes like the rest of us...and by trying to convince us that Mike Joyce is a bad man, it is one of his biggest.
Mike Joyce played his part in The Smiths don't you worry.
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Re:J o y c e..Joyce...no, still doesn't ring a bel (Score:0)
were a band. A band is more than the some of its parts even if The singers sometimes forget that.
You weren't there. What is wrong with you ?
You turned what should have been a posting about
John Peel one of the greatest DJ's of all time along with Rodney Bingenheimer and Alan Freed into
a negative diatribe. May you run into 12 Skinheads with Stanley knives in the nearest dark alley.
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Re:J o y c e..Joyce...no, still doesn't ring a bel (Score:0)
:-)
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