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posted by
davidt
on Sunday February 25 2001, @11:00AM
Jake writes:
I have a friend who works at Jade Tree Records in Wilmington, DE. They're a label for indie bands like the Promise Ring and Joan of Arc. They get awesome distribution all over the world. They're also kinda tough to sign on to because they give the bands 50% of all royalties, something I think Morrissey would like. Unfortunately he turned down an offer by them last week, sadly prolonging the release of his next album...
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Jade Tree? (Score:1)
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jadetree records (Score:0)
The way of the gun (Score:1)
I'm not familiar with Jade Tree, but that seems too small, don't you think? I'm not really familiar with the artists you have listed. They may be the sort of indie caliber that they get some college airplay and possibly have enough resources to ship their act off to Gavin or SXSW to showcase, but would they have the monetary resources for much else? Not unless Morrissey wanted to pay for the production of his album and use them as a distribution center.
50% is excellent for any beginning musician, and 50% is what all artists should receive (but do not), but let's be honest: any label with any amount of distribution is going to be flooded with submissions. It's called shotgunning.
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Re:The way of the gun (Score:3, Informative)
term cross-colateralization means.
as much as we dont want to think its about money, it is.. and an indie label can't give morrissey a lot of money up front just to sign on because A) they don't have it and B) they know maladjusted had terrible sales numbers.
as suzanne mentioned, there are costs involved in making a record.
typically a band signs to a label and the label pays for everything, the studio time, the engineer, the production, printing the discs and
then they send the band out on tour and the bus
alone might be $3500/week and hotels and meals
and all the staff required etc.. and the label
takes every penny they spend on you and that
number becomes the amount of money you owe them.
once you pay off the debt, you can then start
making money. that is why a lot of new bands that
are real popular say they dont have any money.
they dont!
the only people with the money to do this
are the larger labels.
the last tour, morrissey paid all that money
upfront out of his own pocket and yes, he turned
a profit.
putting out a record and marketing it and setting
up distribution costs a lot of money but isnt
nearly as safe to get a good return on investment
like the tour was... so he's looking for a label
that isnt going to lower the standards he is used
to in the music industry.
also, since morrissey knows he can tour and make
a killing, he might be trying to work out a deal
with a major label to have only the record sales
and publishing revenues be used for the payback
and the tours are up to him and thus no one
wants to give away a piece of the golden goose
and then take on all the risk that the record will
flop like a sweaty pompadour.
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Jade Tree? (Score:0)
morrissey on jade tree... (Score:0)
granted, jade tree is a nice little indie label, but come on...MORRISSEY on jade tree records...??
that sounds like some sort of joke.
morrissey will put out another record when everything is right for a new record... what's the rush?! we all know its going to be brilliant, just like all have been in the past.
Shows in gyms. (Score:0)
Moz Records (Score:1)
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We look to Los Angeles (Score:0, Troll)
Re:We look to Los Angeles (Score:2, Insightful)
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A Few Label Suggestions (Score:1, Informative)
1. Matador
home to belle & sebastian, mc paul barman, pavement, cornelius, mogwai, yo la tengo, steve malkmus, pizzicato five, liz phair, etc., etc..
2. Minty fresh
home to cardigans, kahimi karie, komeda, aluminum group, & papas fritas, tahiti 80, etc.
3. Le grand magistry
home to momus, stars, toog, my life story, etc.
4. Beggars banquet
home to badly drawn boy, bauhaus, john cale, delgados, the fall, gus gus, stereolab, many more
5. V2
home to stereophonics, black crowes, heather nova, moby, underworld, the late michael hutchence
6. Merge
home to magnetic fields, the 6ths, ladybug transistor, neutral milk hotel, superchunk, etc.
And lastly, momus' new label, "american patchwork." momus has agreed to a 50/50 split for himself and the artist, and I personally think momus and morrissey would get along swimmingly.
If he wanted to be on an indie lable im sure he... (Score:0)
jade tree... (Score:1, Flamebait)
i do like jets to brazil and they are on jade tree but the promise ring and joan of arc are just not mentionable. sorry if i offend anyone who likes such stuff...
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enough already! (Score:1)
just get a fucking soapbox, stand on it and sing..
Really, this is too much. JUST GET GOING!!!!!!
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he'll do what he wants. (Score:4, Insightful)
1). The Smiths turned were ready to switch over to Virgin; they changed their minds on the day they were to sign because a single Virgin representative rubbed them the wrong way. (Q; Jan '94)
2). Pissed off by Arnold Steifel's sub-rosa decision to have him play three high-profile U.S. shows in spring of '94, Morrissey canceled a video shoot with Anton Corbijn (sp?) & an interview with that cornerstone of progressive culture -- Rolling Stone -- and returned to England. (LA Times, sometime in Feb. '94)
3). Moz abandoned the David Bowie's Outside tour due to demands and pressure from Bowie Inc. (Irish Times, Dec. '99)
4). According to reports on this web site, Madonna's Maverick label approached Moz requested some demos. Appearently, he didn't like their attitude & refused to deal with them. (Morrissey-solo, Dec. '99)
These incidents, combined with the fact that the people around Moz influence him enormously (e.g., Johnny Marr; Mick Ronson; Nigel Thomas) lead me to conclude that he's just biding his time for an offer that feels right.
One of the things I love most about Morrissey is his unwillingness to compromise. Yes, people who don't compromise are difficult, but few things are more endearing than a combination of stubborness (sp?) and charm. I hope he gets exactly the deal that he wants.
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Money Changes Everything... (Score:1)
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there is nothing (Score:1)
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How we would all moan if Moz did become huge again (Score:2, Insightful)
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The Truth! (Score:0)
A. Does not have new songs ready
B. Is having severe writing block.
Either one is perfectly fine. Many artists go through this, just dont sugarcoat the fact by blaming it on not having a record label. Morrissey could start his own if that was the problem. Just please write some songs! Give the cd away with the purchase of cereal if you have to. Come on now.
encore again..and again (Score:1)
Rearrange the letters in Jade Tree.....and you get
Deja et re...which is French for ``Once again and yet again''......I wonder how many more times will we have to read these pleas from desperate people...most things in life i look forward to are never as good as the occasions that just spring up and grab you...it's the same with most albums...
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Morrissey not signing to indie label (Score:0)
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you want indie? ill give you indie. (Score:1)
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Morrissey = ***moron*** (Score:0)
I don't think record labels want to bother (Score:0)
Jade Tree blows (Score:0)
The Vulgar Picture (Score:2, Insightful)
1) He's not a naive 21 year old and he counts his dollars. Therefore, a company isn't going to be able to milk him like they could some disgruntled nu metal teenagers. For them it's a 'why bother?'
2) Sub Pop + Jesus And Mary Chain: JAMC had a similar profile to Moz, a similarly respected catalog and completely flamed out, costing Sub Pop tons and no doubt creating a 'buyer beware' on older U.K. acts.
3) Maladjusted was horrible. That's not the resume to bring into a business meeting.
If he wants to make guaranteed cash he should just sell his services to a big promoter and tour north america a half-dozen times. He's still a top live act and it's a no fail proposition.
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Finally, lets put this to rest! (Score:0)
"Brigham Between Us"- A mix between Boxers and Hated for Loving if one can imagine that.
"Misplace My Own"-one of the heaviest songs Morrissey has ever done, but with a strong sense of melody.
"Applicant For Nothing"-An autobiographical story of someone we all know. Very Southpaw sounding.
"Could You Please?"-How Soon Is Now? part 2. I swear. Amazing!!!!!!!!!!
"Of All My Life"-Very gritty, Yes I Am Blind style. The closest thing to a blues song that we have heard from Morrissey, but in his typical fashion. "When I turn back the clock, I'll get what's mine!"
Night Heads Down-Very creeping sounding. "If you face the obsolete, who is there, who is there?"
This is just a hint. There are more and Yes, these are completed songs. Just something to wet your palate with.
jade tree (Score:1)
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how much to sing your life? (Score:1)
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Moz CAN NOT get a deal BECAUSE ....... (Score:0)
This alone sent waves through the industry and that is why no one will touch him
sorry guys but that is the truth
Ipecac (Score:1)
As far as big labels go, how about Capitol? They've always been very good at letting the artists maintain a great amount of control. They also sell Radiohead, Dandies, and others very well. Or, even though his genre isn't fitting - Astralwerks?
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too good for jade (Score:1)
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eff the whole effing world (Score:0)
Who the hell cares what label he goes on.
Just record the freaking album already, Morrissey,
you sloth.
By the time he finally gets around to it we
may all have outgrown pop music in favor
of jazz or something!
Can't he at least find some stupid soundtrack
to stick a new song on or something??????
Oh, btw, Jade Tree is a good label, so eff you
all.
Retirement (Score:1)
I have loved The Smiths/Moz since 1985, so obviously I'm not out to attack him here (he is the most intelligent man in pop music and one of the greatest figures in its history, but I for one would would rather get a nice long interview from him every few months than an album every few years.
Having said all of this, if he does make another album, I do pray that it be his best and that he shut my mouth!!!!
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Question? (Score:1)
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