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 Cool, glad we're on the same page. MuseWiki has a template for the tour info page which we can use / modify. I think it's similar to the song detail box. No time stress on filling out the data but if you have it to upload that's great. This will probably be a big work in progress for years to come. Viva hate may have some data and some ideas on the formatting.
-Instead of [[1991-05-01]] as the page title, something more descriptive would be better. Perhaps something like "Tour_{date}_{city / festival}"? for ex. "Tour_1991-05-02_Utrecht". Perhaps also indicate The Smiths or Morrissey?
+Instead of [[1991-05-01]] as the page title, something more descriptive would be better. Perhaps something like "Tour_{date}_{city / festival}"? for ex. "Tour_1991-05-01_Utrecht". Perhaps also indicate The Smiths or Morrissey?
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 I just changed updated the tour date wiki page name with more details:
-[[Utrecht,_Holland_1991-05-02_(Morrissey_concert)]]
+[[Utrecht,_Holland_1991-05-01_(Morrissey_concert)]]
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 MR: Ok, 2011 tour is done.  Think I'll work on filling out the tour legs for every year next.  When are you looking to publish this anyway?
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+DT: Thanks MR, awesome job! From the main wiki page there is a link to the to-do list: [[Morrissey-solo_Wiki:To_Do]] where I have a tentative target release date of Aug. 27. This can be adjusted. On your end is it ready to go? If you are still filling out info after release that is fine - it will give an example to others to see how pages are updated. I think in the next year or two there will likely be a lot of frequent updates. I just started going through the site history for content and have only gotten through the first year.
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+MR: Seems good to me.  If you're happy with the output format so far then that means your templates are good to go.  I'd like to complete the data for the tour years before it goes up but 8/27 gives more than enough time for that.
+<hr> MR: There are 3 shows in Feb 2007 (1-3).  They're a few months before the Greatest Hits Tour starts (4/27) and a month after the Tormentors tour ends (12/23).  Which tour would you like those shows with?  --Answer, never mind.  Did some research of TTY and the presale password for the Feb gigs is Ringleader and the password changes to GREATESTHITS for the others.  So they go on the end of the Tormentors tour.
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+DT: Thanks, makes sense. I noticed on a new date the US state abbreviated, for ex. Los Angeles, CA. In the previous dates the state was spelled out. Best to be consistent, I'm fine with either one. On the post-show articles I abbreviate the state.
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+MR: Figure it's easier for non-US folks if the state names are full.  All the new pages are updated for that now.
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+DT: Looking good.
+<hr> MR:Just 92, 95 and 2012 left.  Should get to those and maybe The Smiths tomorrow.  I'll probably clean up the band lineups for the tours and then take a bit of a break and think about what to do with the bootleg section.  It's a bit of a mess right now.
+<hr> MR: Morrissey tour legs are done.  Band info needs to be updated to match Viva's info.  There's also radio and tv performances to do.  I'm going to move on to The Smiths tour legs now.
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+MR: ugh.... so I changed the way the references look across everything I've done.  Rather than have a "provided by blah" with link to the references and notes, I just used the numbers next to Set List or after the Concert Notes/Live Recordings sections.  It looks a lot cleaner and seems to match what wikipedia does.  You can check the 12/22/88, 5/1/91 and 10/4/91 pages and give me your feedback.
+- I've also realized that there aren't "headers" at the top of the Morrissey concert pages.  I'm going to call this an oversight.  I included one in the Smiths section and you can look at 12/7/83 to see how it looks.  I think I prefer it.  So now that I went back and changed all the references for the '91 and '11 tours I think I need to go back again to add the header to them all.  I'll do a few of the first '91 shows today so you can approve or not and then I'll do the rest tomorrow.
+- Also added venue info in format of Venue, City, Country.  This should help when multiple venues use the same name (aka Fox Theater).
+- I also changed the way recordings are shown in the shows pages.  the '91 shows from above show the detail.  In short.  There's a Live section which is broken out into Unofficial and Official releases.
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+DT: I think I've seen all the changes on the concert pages you mentioned and they all make sense to me. Nice job! The header box is good, we can then get rid of the venue section which didn't contain very much.  If you don't have time to add these we can add it to the 'to-do' list and tackle them later. Thanks!
+Just saw note about keeping the venue section in case anyone has anything to add. In doing the tour summaries over the years I haven't had much interesting info about the venues added. If there is, I think they can just add them to the notes or references section.
+<hr> MR: For Venue, I thought it would be cool to come up with a way to figure out how many times he'd played at certain venues and then link back to the shows.  That was the only real reason I put that in.  I can easily remove it if you like though, just thought it'd be fun to get it prep'd in case we could get to it in the future.
+<hr> DT: A venue count or 'songs played live' count would be cool but I haven't seen if there is programmatic way of doing it. I think including it in the info box would be similar and remove some redundancy and the set list section would become more visible.
+<hr> MR: Agreed.  Will do.
+<hr> DT: Adding a venue page may be a hacky way to see the venue count. I created Assembly Rooms as an example:
+http://www.morrissey-solo.com/wiki/Assembly_Rooms,_Derby,_England
+On the left menu click 'What links here' and you will see the tour pages (and other pages) that link to it.
+<hr>MR: Yeah, when I look at this and then what you've done with the album/tour templates I get the sense that it can be done.  We just need to dive into the code a bit to figure it out.  All the info is there, just like setlist.fm.  I'd be surprised if we can't get at it.  Still, longer term goal that will be fun to see if we can pull off, eventually.
+<hr>DT: Agreed - this is a powerful tool we have and we are only limited by what is imagined. It shouldn't be that difficult to get a total count of the links to the page and then filter for the word 'Concert'. It may be a bit tricky to pull it all together but mediawiki has an API that may help which I haven't looked into yet. Anyway, I'll flag it for later in the 'to-do' list.
+<hr> MR: I've created an example of navigating between shows on [[Santiago,_Chile_2012-02-26_(Morrissey_concert)]].  Feed back would be appreciated.  If approved I'll make it a template next.
+<hr> MR: all set lists compete
+<hr> MR: After seeing all this in action, I think I made one huge mistake. The format of each concert page is has the location first and the date second. It should be dat first ans city second. You can see the result of the error when you look at the play count for songs. They're listed in alphabetical order of the cities and not date of the show. That's not a useful order. I'm thinking of trying to make the effort to fix it before this gets bigger. Thoughts?
+<hr> DT: Since I implemented the semantic wiki info later we wouldn't have known how it would be sorted. At this point I don't think it's worth the effort to change every tour date as that could cause other issues and the gain isn't that huge. Some people may actually prefer that it's sorted by city.