You are sleeping, you do not want to believe... (mp3 of spooky Rubber Ring source)

Bookhouse88

New Member
Hey gang,

I just discovered a blog that has MP3 files (and an explanation of the nature of their source) of the flex disc that Morrissey lifted the "You are sleeping, you do not want to believe" sample included at the end of "Rubber Ring" (my favorite Smiths song, BTW : ).

http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2006/09/voice_from_the_.html

The quote appears at about 60% through "Breakthrough: Side One."

Okay, now to let you know what you're (supposedly) hearing when you listen to "Rubber Ring." Dr. Konstantin Raudive of Latvia was a researcher investigating the "electronic voice phenomenon" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_voice_phenomenon), which supposedly captured the voices of spirits of the the dead as researchers read statements to them in controlled environments. Raudive's research was documented in a 1971 book called "Breakthrough: An Amazing Experiment in Electronic Communication with the Dead." Included with the book was a flex-disc (phonograph recording) of excerpts of the research, including both audio of the (supposed) ghostly voices, and then the narrator reading the English translation (the ghost voices are in Latvian, German, Swedish and other languages) back to us.

What we hear at the end of "Rubber Ring" is the narrator (not one of the ghost voices, thank god) translating back for us what the researcher's former mentor, Swiss parapsychologist Dr. Gephardt Frye (deceased) supposedly said from beyond the grave (in Swedish and German)... "Du Sovas Vilt Nicht Glauben" (anyway, that's what I think she said the ghost was saying; I can't type German/Swedish well : ). The translator only says "You are sleeping" once; on "Rubber Ring", Morrissey repeated the sample to make it "You are sleeping, you do not want to believe. You are sleeping." I am giving Morrissey credit for the sampling; I don't know who is actually credited for doing the sampling, but it's a good bet that Morrissey was the source for the sampling material in the production of the song.

So, there you have it... a very spooky source for one of the most memorable moments in the discography of the Smiths. I have to say, I am very glad to learn that the voice, as creepy as it sounds in "Rubber Ring" was not the actual ghostly voice, but the translator, because this particular sample has a very special place in my induction into being a Smiths fan.

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Here's my story.

In the spring of 1987, I was a high school junior living in the woods 5 miles north of a tiny Wisconsin town, living an extremely isolated and lonely life, bullied daily in school for my intellectual and sarcastic view of life (ie, I kept talking back as I got pummelled; I never gave up ! : ). Anyway, I had basically no friends, but as Junior year started to separate me a bit from the tougher kids (who weren't so into the classes, I took, trigonometry, chemistry, etc), I befriended a girl who had the distinction of having gone to "art camp", and she brought back a love for strange bands with names like Depeche Mode, the Dead Milkmen, the Dead Kennedys, the Sex Pistols, the Cure and the Smiths. It was mostly all noise to me because I had never really been into music as a teenager; all I heard in the 1980s on the radio was silly love songs, and I wasn't getting any love, so I totally rejected the notion.

Anyway, this girl (who had a boyfriend... *of course*) and I did sort of become chums, which was nice, and I was convenient for her because I had a driver's license and could drive her home after school. One day, she (accidentally or on purpose, I'll never know) left her new copy of "Louder than Bombs" in my dad's car's tapedeck). That night, doing my trigonometry homework, I popped the tapedeck in a walkman (which I owned at that point just to listen to comedy albums and Weird Al tapes : ). The Smiths was noise to me, but I let it play... and then I fell asleep.

I was awakened in a start by a shocking woman's voice, declaring in a strange accent: YOU ARE SLEEPING, YOU DO NOT WANT TO BELIEVE. YOU ARE SLEEPING. I couldn't believe that a voice like that would just appear on the tape. I reversed the tape and listened to "Rubber Ring", and all of a sudden, I could understand the vocals much more clearly than earlier, and the message of the song got to me somehow, I connected to the poetry of it. I kept listening to "Louder than Bombs", and found solace and comfort in nearly every song, along with wit that I'd never known could exist in a non-directly-comedic music.

Very soon, I was asking the girl for all of her Smiths tapes to borrow, and I then bought every Smiths tape I could get my hands on. I could tell over the rest of our friendship that the girl was a little irked at the way I embraced the Smiths as "MY" music, because she half-regarded me as a bit of a nerd/dork (and I was), and looking back, I should have maybe been smart enough to use our shared love of the Smiths to make a better connection with her than I did (I was COMPLETELY lacking in social skills with girls, having been a social pariah in school and living in the remote woods). But... I went on with life, stumbled my way into adult hood, and all the while, the Smiths and Morrissey were there for me. I may have once been sleeping, but I had been awakened, and... I WANTED TO BELIEVE. : P

Bookhouse88 !
 
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unruly boy

So very sickened.
Re: You are sleeping, you do not want to believe... (mp3 of spooky Rubber Ring source

Are you going for some sort of record?
 

Paulc

On holiday by mistake
Re: You are sleeping, you do not want to believe... (mp3 of spooky Rubber Ring source

Great post Bookhouse

I also love Rubber Ring and consider it one of the most important Smiths songs - it always had a resonance for me as a song and the lyric "hear my voice in your head and think of me kindly" is something i wish i could have said to all those women who broke my heart in the 80s and 90s!

I am also absolutely astounded at the source for that sample - i had no idea such experiments ever took place but will be trying to find out more now!

p.s. i am from London but when i was 16 (1989) visited a girl in Millwaukee Wisconsin who i had met on a previous USA holiday - she was one of the first to break my heart!!!

Do you
Love me like you used to ?
Oh ...
Rubber ring, rubber ring, rubber ring, rubber ring

Rubber ring indeed!
 

Bookhouse88

New Member
Re: You are sleeping, you do not want to believe... (mp3 of spooky Rubber Ring source

I am also absolutely astounded at the source for that sample - i had no idea such experiments ever took place but will be trying to find out more now!

Yes, it's really creepy ! I'm surprised it's not something that more people know about.

p.s. i am from London but when i was 16 (1989) visited a girl in Millwaukee Wisconsin who i had met on a previous USA holiday - she was one of the first to break my heart!!!

Yep, Wisconsin girls can do that. They're not all like the ones in "Love Actually." : )

Do you Love me like you used to ?

I think the mini-review at LASID sums up the song pretty well:

http://www.compsoc.man.ac.uk/~moz/lyrics/theworld/rubberri.htm

Morrissey displays a brilliant wisdom here about what his position in the future of his fan's life would likely be; knowing how people outgrow pop music and the obsessions of the teenage years (well, some never do... :).

Thanks for the complement !

Bookhouse88 !
 

Bookhouse88.

New Member
Re: You are sleeping, you do not want to believe... (mp3 of spooky Rubber Ring source

Yes I am . So what, dork? AT least I know what I am talking about, unlike you; you are stupid and smelly.
 

Bookhouse88

New Member
Re: You are sleeping, you do not want to believe... (mp3 of spooky Rubber Ring source

The post just above isn't me.

Bookhouse88 !
 

beau

Member
Re: You are sleeping, you do not want to believe... (mp3 of spooky Rubber Ring source

I posted this back in September, but thanks for the topoff.
 

...Four Letter Word

Junior Member
Re: You are sleeping, you do not want to believe... (mp3 of spooky Rubber Ring source

That's such a cool sample. It took me by surprise the first time I heard it. Even without knowledge of the source, it's kind of scary, as though the woman's trying to hypnotise somebody. I don't think I'd listen to the song in the dark if I lived alone.
 

Lor

I have M.A.D.
Re: You are sleeping, you do not want to believe... (mp3 of spooky Rubber Ring source

That's pretty weird, but cool. And on the WMFU blog too :) The first time I heard Rubber Ring I was just like 'what!?' It sounded so different from anything I had ever heard...

I wonder how Morrissey came across that?
 

nightandday

New Member
Re: You are sleeping, you do not want to believe... (mp3 of spooky Rubber Ring source

That's pretty weird, but cool. And on the WMFU blog too :) The first time I heard Rubber Ring I was just like 'what!?' It sounded so different from anything I had ever heard...

I wonder how Morrissey came across that?
Someone on this forum explained it a while ago, they said that it was a flexi disc (?) that came free with an issue of a UK magazine (I can't remember which one) in the late 70s. Thank God for Moz fans who are his age! :D :)

If you believe Severed Alliance, Morrissey was quite interested in supernatural stuff in the late 70s/early 80s.

I also thought the woman was a hypnotist when I first heard Rubber Ring, but the truth makes the song so much more interesting and spookier!
 

nightandday

New Member
Re: You are sleeping, you do not want to believe... (mp3 of spooky Rubber Ring source

Someone on this forum explained it a while ago, they said that it was a flexi disc (?) that came free with an issue of a UK magazine (I can't remember which one) in the late 70s. Thank God for Moz fans who are his age! :D :)

If you believe Severed Alliance, Morrissey was quite interested in supernatural stuff in the late 70s/early 80s.

I also thought the woman was a hypnotist when I first heard Rubber Ring, but the truth makes the song so much more interesting and spookier!
I've found the thread:

http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/sh...hlight=electronic+communication+with+the+dead
 
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