"Yes, Morrissey is an idiot. Listen to him!" - Spex (German)

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By Famous when dead on Jun 6, 2019 at 9:36 AM
  1. Famous when dead

    Famous when dead Vulgarian Moderator

    Dec 7, 2000
    Birmingham, U.K.

    Yes, Morrissey is an idiot.
    Listen to him!

    By Dennis Pohl - 6 June 2019

    As with all Google translated articles - please be receptive to the idea of a high mistake rate.

    Morrissey has once again appeared with right symbols and continues to spread gross nonsense. Thanks for that! Because this exposes how self-righteous the supposed rebellion of the right is.

    Let's just say it out: Steven Patrick Morrissey is a pitiable dork. And yes, he has always been. Even in times of his ex-band The Smiths. Therefore, it is only to be welcomed that the now 60-year-old is now facing the backlash he has earned for at least 20 years.

    Anyone who still had any doubts about Morrissey's idiocy has been taught a lesson at the latest in the last twelve months. He recently appeared on Jimmy Fallon's The Tonight Show with a For Britain pin on his jacket. Do not you know? It is an ultra right-wing party that even likes to brand Britain's boss Nigel Farage as "Nazis and racists." Morrissey not only supports For Britain on stage, but also on his official website. It is the only party that could stand for the safety of Britons, it says.
    As a result, a number of record stores, Morrissey's latest album, the famos bad cover plate California Sun , began to take off the line. And the Liverpool railway company Merseyrail had all Morrissey advertising posters removed in their trains and stations. OK then.

    But why only now? Not only since Morrissey scarcely a year ago denounced the first Muslim mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, that he does not speak proper English, and about the (in Cambridge trained) Black British parliamentarian Diane Abbott said that not even the supermarket chain Tesco hire them In fact, there could no longer be any doubt about his political convictions.

    In fact, the list of Morrissey's right-wing to radical statements is long. As early as 1986, shortly after the release of many of the best Smiths albums The Queen Is Dead , he gave the British Melody Maker an interview in which he fabulated an alleged black music conspiracy . He hated black music wholeheartedly, he wrote.

    No freethinking intellectual

    Two years later, his solo debut Viva Hate released a song called "Bengali In Platforms," a story of failed integration. The chorus: "Life is hard enough when you belong here". 1992 Morrissey released on Your Arsenal then "The National Front Disco" and stood by obviously right skinheads flanked and the Union Jack (front C ool Britannia !) Swinging on stage.

    In 2007, in an interview with the NME, he complained about a perceived loss of British identity and immigrants in general. In 2013 he publicly celebrated Farage and his right-wing populist UK Independence Party (UKIP). In 2016, a song of praise followed the EU referendum and the following Brexit. And in 2017 the allegation that the board election of UKIP had been manipulated to the disadvantage of anti-Islam politician Anne Marie Waters. Not to mention also: Morrissey's wayward remarks to me-too debate over the mirror in which he defended Harvey Weinstein and Kevin Spacey . And Berlin referred to as "rape capital".

    Taken together, these cases speak a clear language. The argument that fans like the music industry like to argue for decades that these failures are clever smoke candles is no longer valid. No, Morrissey is not a freethinking intellectual who stands above things. The burden of proof has long been too great for that.

    This is of course a bitter insight for fans. Because the cultural importance of the Smiths in the eighties is undisputed. For many eyewitnesses, and also for future generations, the band was more than a band. She was an anchor, a source of identification, often a rescue. Because never before had someone audacity, anxiety and tenderness set as pointedly as the duo Johnny Marr and Morrissey. Anyone who has suffered the mental upheaval of growing up since 1982 was certainly in some way in contact with the Smiths - or their influence.

    Morrissey was the friend who did not ask, but understood. And one who allied with the weak and marginalized in the 1980s. The radical left positions represented. The Critically Critical ("The Queen Is Dead") showed abhorrence austerity ("Margaret On The Guillotine"). And who campaigned for the rights of animals with all his might. This friend chooses right now. He supports inhuman positions. That leaves a gap, sure. That's it. Bye, Steven.

    Still, it's important to talk more about Morrissey's descent. In fact, in one discipline he was always one of the best: interpreting the signs of the times. Over the years, it became clear that Morrissey is a clever narcissist. One who always knew how to embody the anti-establishment out of a painful pose - and put himself at the center of it.

    Tender times, tough Morrissey

    In the early years, when the zeitgeist was still dominated by dominant masculinity, Morrissey rebelled with exalted delicacy and androgyny against the macho imperative. Especially the early stage appearances with the Smiths, in which the singer wagged as a fictional character between consumptive James Dean and schoolyard outsider with gladioli, are to be understood as a performance against the men step-peppered rock music of those days.

    However, this break-up of the conditions was quickly no longer cutting edge . The establishment caught up. And Morrissey overtook on the right. It is no coincidence that his flirtation with fascist motifs began just at a time when tender synth pop, as originally influenced by the New Romanticism before the Smiths, was at the height of its success. Androgyny was mainstream and embodying the anti-establishment meant more and more in Morrissey's worldview to glorify the image of a strong man.

    This increased in the course of the nineties and found a first climax in 2004 when Morrissey posed on the cover of his seventh album You Are The Quarry with a mafia submachine gun. Delicate was nothing here anymore. Instead, at least aesthetically, masculinity and tradition stood in the center.

    It is all the less surprising that Morrissey drifted more and more in the direction of crude theories and right-wing populist slogans over the past five years. You know: left-liberal mainstream, correctness terror, state broadcasting and similar quark.

    Rebels without a cause with fascist fantasies

    It is frightening how congruent that is with the dynamics in Western societies. Like Morrissey, an increasing number of people see themselves obliged to fight against a supposed left-wing monopoly of opinion. This is, of course, sheer nonsense, but at least so popular that the concept of rebellion as well as the fight against the establishment have meanwhile been almost completely seized by rights.

    In other words, the powerful symbolism of system combat is right today. And with it the cool anti-attitude that once bound young people to leftist pop phenomena. In order to be aware of the extent, a glance into the shadow worlds of social media is sufficient, where on new platforms such as Tik Tok or within Politigram, the political subculture on Instagram, people between the ages of 14 and 18 mainly spread right-wing theories. Rebels without a cause , you could say. Just with fascist fantasies.

    Now, most of them probably do not know who Morrissey is. But that does not matter. More importantly, this man has evidently identified a major weather situation that allows him to trumpet his points of view unfiltered into the world. This may be sad from a music-historical perspective, but it also holds a chance.

    Because Morrissey is undoubtedly a person that is important to many people. And that is still understated. His fans throw themselves for years on any critics of their idol like starving bloodhounds. That is unreflected, for sure. But few of them can be assumed to have a serious closeness to right-wing thought.

    And so you can almost be thankful that Morrissey is visibly exposed to everyone. Because the second thing that he can do better than most: Show how crude the arguments, how flawed the logic and how self-righteous is the attitude behind the self-proclaimed rebellion.

    Always there, where the wind was just cheap

    Two examples suffice. Morrissey has been chronically agitated over "the media" for decades. It was lied and twisted, above all, of course, as far as his person was concerned. After he gave the NME said interview about the British identity about 2007 and wanted to publish this, shot Morrissey with all available weapons against the magazine and the interviewer Tim Jonze. Despite several statements, he could never prove that wrong quotes were used.

    Even better in 2016, when the mirror released its Los Angeles-led interview. Once again, Morrissey claimed to have been misquoted to discredit public mirror (and SPEX) author Juliane Liebert, who was exposed to a shitstorm of his fans. Until the magazine published the recording of the interview - and all the quotations in it coincided with the printed version.

    This contradiction runs basically through the entire career of this artist. Whether politics, interpersonal relationships or personal principles, Morrissey has always been where the wind was good. For himself and his ego. And that too is strikingly congruent with the New Right.

    So if you follow the path of the public person Morrissey, you can understand the developments of a whole society on a small scale. And learn that this is not a revolt against any establishment, but the satisfaction of a collective martyrdom syndrome. Not a rebellion, but the weeping of a fictitious yesterday.

    Therefore, if Morrissey means something to you: If you like listening to his music, continue to consider him an idol. But please, listen carefully. And in spirit with his brothers and sisters.


    Another article that takes a strong view with the usual historical and topical references.

    If any of our fluent German friends could check the translation for glaringly obvious mistakes - it would be appreciated.

    Spex is an old music/culture publication that has now come back to life.
    They mention Juliane Liebert as being a contributor to Spex - the Der Spiegel interviewer.

    Make of it what you will.
    The barrel feels like it is being firmly scraped at this point with regards to this type of thing.
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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Famous when dead, Jun 6, 2019.

    1. BookishBoy
      Yup, it's pretty much a re-hash of the recent Tim Jonze Guardian article which then meanders into some not very persuasive theorizing about Morrissey and the "New Right". (As you note, perhaps Google Translate is doing this writer a disservice.) But this part in particular strikes me as genuinely wrong-headed:

      "Whether politics, interpersonal relationships or personal principles, Morrissey has always been where the wind was good. For himself and his ego."

      Maybe I'm missing something, but doesn't Morrissey seem to get a perverse joy out of *rejecting* easy popular opinion? (Assuming that's what the writer means by "where the wind was good"...)
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    2. Thewlis
      First NME/Guardian.
      Now Spiegel/Spexzzz

      Lazy journalism at its... laziest.
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    3. Ketamine Sun
      Ketamine Sun

      The barrel feels like it is being firmly scraped at this point with regards to this type of thing.’

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    4. Uncleskinny
      How do you mean? I'm trying to understand how the praising articles are not denigrated for saying the same things over and again, but the perception of this one in the other direction is a barrel being scraped? Surely you can't have your cake and eat it?
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    5. Famous when dead
      Famous when dead
      P., 'this type of thing' was referring to ALL types of recent articles like this both 'for' & 'against' - it's starting to drag a bit (and I've posted both kinds myself).
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    6. Uncleskinny
      Fair enough.
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    7. Anonymous
      "Steven Patrick Morrissey ist ein bedauernswerter Depp"
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    8. Anonymous
      excellent article especially the middle part
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    9. Anonymous
      sure we should watch youtube conspiracy videos instead
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    10. lanterns
      pohl's attempt at sounding constructive despite all the pseudo-youthful diction is sweet and for me the only interesting part of the article which mostly repeats what had been written before by other people. he is a little bit more than just another influencer within the german market, but not an independent critic.

      i also think he shouldve revised the last three paragraphs. they dont really make sense in their attempt to connect morrissey's alleged inconsistency with right-wing attitudes. this is too designed to be convincing but i guess somehow even a sketchy argument has to be tied up in the conclusion.

      someone recently said that morrissey has always been a contrarian. cant remember who that was. i think thats a good point. so, what i see here is just another journalist struggling with morrissey's inconsistency or lets say ambiguity and ambivalence. could be that this pr is all thought-out, could be that it is not and rather the result of damage control. anyways, seems that ambivalence is something people are not used to anymore nowadays, it engages them emotionally and intellectually.
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    11. Pablo Honey
    12. Another Anonymous
      Another Anonymous
    13. Pablo Honey
      Pablo Honey
      Nope, a 100 % true. You could not make that up.
    14. Another Anonymous
      Another Anonymous
      Ha! Yeah, apparently "stranger than fiction," and all that firmly applies there. And how exactly did it go from her being sexually assaulted by "foreigners and Germans alike" (which was untrue re:"Germans") to her merely having a handbag stolen (and in-between, apologizing to the foreigners who assaulted her), anyway?

      Seriously, Pablo...that's one of the most bizarre examples of the increasing human lunacy of this world that I've read about lately. So uh, thanks. (Got anymore?)

    15. Anonymous
      Honestly: how much did you spend on real journalism in the past year? I presume: not a single penny. So please stop complaining about journalists, when you refuse to subscribe to a proper news medium.
    16. The Truth
      The Truth
      You are the last person who should question how the site is moderated.
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    17. Lustman
      Only another pro-european journaliste, not more
    18. Klaudrey
      I am German and I was one of those many people who say that Smiths-songs kind of make me survive my teenage-years. Being disappointed with Morrissey is a rather logic affair. There was a lyricist and singer who, accompanied by bittersweet guitars who could not make a better match, sang words you would have written yourself if you had to express your own feelings. this means that Morrissey was like the spokesman of your silence. He was said to be shy and that`s what was part of the fascination. He was the idol who saved you from being "implored by sex" and you felt superior by saying: "I don`t need sex, I have got The Smiths." Now, after many years of wondering how to feel the spokesman still on your side, many of his former fans surrender. This is not a fairytale made up by his critics! The most shocking events were his Spiegel-interview or his reaction to the printed interview that did not change the words he said (so where is the censorship he so often criticizes?) and his interview with Larry King who did not know the slightest thing about The Smiths and Morrissey told him a bunch of lies right from the start (we did not like each other etc.). Where is the honesty in that? There are so many people who defend Morrissey and point out his "honesty" which is just not there. Sometimes there are explanations for cancellations (Basel, Switzerland) that no-one who knows about Morrissey would believe. There ARE old fans who have tried for decades to find apologies to his actions. No other artist has that kind of true following. There are people like David Bowie who have flirted with fascism in the past and said a lot of nonsense but they never had the meaning for their fans like Morrissey had. David Bowie was praised for his art, for being a chameleon and an innovation for the pop-world. Morrissey was the friend some people were desperately waiting for and he turned our feelings into melody and poetry. There will never be another record for me like "Hatful of hollow". I wrote the words all over my schoolbooks. Now, he acts like a self-rightous person who does not deal with the reactions to his actions and words like he should. The SPEX article is rude but so is Morrissey when he talks about others so he would love it, if it was not about him. Morrissey was like a brother or a friend for me for years and when I ran out of excuses it was like someone I loved had died. It really is a shame that saying stupidly provoking things is used to advocate the freedom of speech. In Germany, we can say a lot of things without getting into trouble and that is the situation in the UK. Not getting positive reactions to the things you say does not mean that you are prevented from getting your message across. How can Morrissey speak out against Trump when you can not say for sure who of the two actually said some things. Morrissey is a lucky man. He is getting away with so many things, even his former bandmates are very careful as if they could hurt what they did together so many years ago. Morrissey has got no reason to complain. He almost never had, and always did and always does. That`s a shame, shame, fatal shame! Anyone who has a following that in parts defends every action you do no matter how stupid is a very lucky man, and Morrissey must be. I know it`s over and it never really began but in my heart it was so real!
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    19. Stephen Hofmann
      Stephen Hofmann
      If you think freedom of speech still exists in the UK then you're way off the marker.

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