WTF happenned to U2?

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  1. Oh my god. it's Robby!

    Oh my god. it's Robby! spontaneously luminescent

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    attention diehard u2 fans that think they can do no wrong :rolleyes:
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    this when it came out and considered them one of my fave bands along with the Smiths and Depeche Mode for many a year
    but by the late 80s i thought they were not as good
    and had become annoyed with both Bono & Dave Gahan's on and offstage 'personas' :rolleyes: i do not think it is a coincidence that their albums were not as good to me anymore at that point :sick:
    whereas, for me, PSB are still as gr8 live as when i 1st saw them many a year ago and i think 'Fundamental' is truly brilliant, just like another great live performer's album of a few years before that
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  2. Dave

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    I think when people say "talent" they are usually talking about technical ability which is nothing without something to say, some inspiration or point of view, some artistry, and something unique or at the very least unusual. Johnny Marr had all those things.

    I'm glad that you appreciate spirituality, and I do see the difference between YES and Emerson, Lake, and Palmer, for example. Listen, I'm a fan of RUSH, so I do appreciate technical proficiency and skill.

    However, technique for the sake of technique is nothing to me and I think that the word talent is often used as a synonym for technical ability. that is why I am not on the side of those with talent. Jon Anderson and Johnny Rotten are both gifted. They both have something to express. It turns out that Jon Anderson never really connected with me whereas I immediately became a Sex Pistols fan. I'm not saying that there is no reason to like YES, but I am saying that the way we judge music is different.

    I prefer acoustic country blues to the Chicago style electric bands with "talented" players. I love Neil Young's music and find Eric Clapton's mostly boring.

    There is just a real conservative streak to a lot of fans and critics of rock music and the way these people try to apply their values to other people's art is ridiculous and meaningless. I have played guitar with a few people and there are those types that want to play songs and try to copy the record, which is totally pointless, and those that prefer to write their own music however lacking in technical ability or music theory they may be, or who are free to improvise or reinterpret other people's basic song structure, and this is a lot more fun, interesting, and artistic.

    I think that what Neil Tennant was talking about was the mentality that has led to Bruce Springsteen, Tina Turner, and Mick Jagger appearing on the cover of Rolling Stone dozens of times over the years when Joy Division and The Smiths were consistently overlooked.

    U2 does fit into that Classic Rock tradition and it's redundant and dead. It's the reason the American rock radio is still playing the songs they were playing 20, 30, and 40 years ago. Where I work on weekends these guys are painting the house and I hear their radio. The station was playing Mountain's "Mississippi Queen" a song that I've heard on rock radio hundreds of times since the 70's and I wondered if anyone can really hear it. I love Led Zeppelin's music but I don't listen to it anymore. I used to play it every day and while I'm not putting it down, and when I do hear it I still like it, I just feel like I have heard it.

    I think that is what the point is, and not that the Sex Pistols are good and Yes is bad. A lot of the rejection id what went before was partly built on hype. Pete Townshend wrote Who Are You after meeting Steve Jones and Paul Cook and telling them that The Who was finished. He says that they were shocked and begged him to reconsider, told him that they loved the band. At the time that the Sex Pistols were saying publicly that they wanted to destroy the previous generation some of them were doing some of their best work. Possibly they were energized. The Rolling Stones Some Girls, Neil Young's Live Rust, and Who Are You are among their best work. Other groups tried to borrow some punk style and failed.

    Anyway, your first comments sounded like the conservative rock radio classic rock mentality to me and I thought that they did illustrate what Neil Tennant was saying.
     
  3. jdbabz

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    I was watching Bono at some Mtv event that Katee 'I Kissed a girl and am now very fashionable' Perry was hosting.

    He got booed because he told the audience that they should be thankful that the potato famine etc forced 'the Beatles' ancestors to go to England.

    Yes, and you also owe us for 'the Smiths' kiss my shoes bitches! :D

    Shall I start up a thank the Irish for British musical talent thread? joking
     
  4. That's like praising slavery because it forced the ancestors of rock 'n' roll to "emigrate" to America from western Africa.

    Even if it's true, it's not very wise to say it that way.
     
  5. jdbabz

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    Everything is so P.C nowadays *sigh* no wise cracks allowed. Knock knock jokes will soon be back in fashion.
     
  6. Dow Jones

    Dow Jones Blighted Fungus

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    Bono has a notoriously awful sense of humor. See the sandwich joke.
     
  7. Mars_Rover

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    Dave, we actually agree on several points - namely, that technique for technique's sake is meaningless and that Eric Clapton's music is (mostly) a bore :)

    "I think that what Neil Tennant was talking about was the mentality that has led to Bruce Springsteen, Tina Turner, and Mick Jagger appearing on the cover of Rolling Stone dozens of times over the years when Joy Division and The Smiths were consistently overlooked."

    The determining factor to getting on the cover of Rolling Stone and/or getting into the Rock 'n Roll Hall of Fame is being a friend of RS publisher Jann Wenner - that's really it. Yes isn't in the Hall of Fame b/c of this reason, and also b/c unfortunately they're terminally unhip :) As a Smiths fan in the 80's, I was disgusted that The Smiths were largely ignored by the magazine.

    I'm convinced that a lot of the band bashing and sniping between musicians is a marketing ploy. The Sex Pistols were secretly fans of Led Zeppelin (at least Steve Jones worshipped Jimmy Page), and Jimmy Page himself attended 2 London gigs that the reunited Pistols did within the last year. A lot of what Tennant said about U2 could be put down to professional jealousy as well as artistic differences.

    P.S. Oh, the irony! Bono himself pays tribute to Morrissey in the new issue of Rolling Stone, featuring the 100 greatest singers of the rock era: http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/24161972/page/92
     
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  8. jdbabz

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    HA okay...he's terrible...
     
  9. bysshe

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    I love Bono. Here is one of the many reasons why.



    They grew up, grew older, had children and found contentment. What could possibly be wrong with that? The experiences they are having now are not the same ones that they were having 20 years ago. They are not the same people. The world is not the same. Why should the music remain the same?
     
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  10. Dave

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    It is pretty funny. Those "key tracks" are how old now? Are they retroactively considered classics or what? I hate Rolling Stone magazine. Still, I'm starting a thread...:confused:
     
  11. It's "In the days when you were hopelessly poor, I just liked you more."
    :p Had to point that out. HAD TO!
     
  12. Dave

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    ^^^big nose who knows :D
     
  13. soloyan

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    Thanks for the heads up. Thought my english was good. Well, not so much.

    But in the end...both lines work, in this very case.
     
  14. Mars_Rover

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    Surely Bono isn't trying to take credit - however dubious - for inventing or at least popularising the mullet?
     
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  15. Dow Jones

    Dow Jones Blighted Fungus

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    lol.

    If anything, he's blaming Bowie for it. Which is a good thing because Bowie is ALWAYS to blame.
     
  16. bysshe

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    I believe that it's called "self-deprecation." Thank goodness Bono doesn't take himself as seriously as other people seem to. :rolleyes:

    That rat bastard. He's always to blame.
     
  17. Sister Rose

    Sister Rose A little older, wiser

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    U2 Rock!!! :guitar: :cool: I heard they have new music coming in 2009??
     
  18. soloyan

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    yeah...2009 will be a lot like 2004 : a new Moz album and a new U2 album...only better !

    ...hopefully.
     
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