Why is Morrissey not vegan?

xfranklyx

no hope no harm
He is lazy. If he really loved animals then he would commit and be vegan.

You don't murder animals by eating dairy products . If you eat meat you do.

It is on the same level if not even worse then eating meat. Cows are pumped full of chemicals, stuck in a stall so small that they cant even move and the whole time they have some machines stuck on them. Their calves are taken away from them which in turn makes them sad and depressed and not producing enough product so they get beaten and/or killed. The baby calves end up becoming veal. I can go on and on. Anyone that consumes dairy and thinks they are not doing harm to themselves and to an animals is completely wrong. :(

Check this video out of what goes down more often then not at dairy farms.
*warning VERY graphic*
 
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Mr. Tibbles

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I am also an exceedingly picky vegetarian, which makes things incredibly hard. I refer to myself as a pastatarian because that's basically what I eat!

I hope the yogurt Morrissey buys doesn't have gelatin in it. I have yet to find yogurt here which doesn't (although granted, I really only ate the Yoplait stuff). Now I don't eat it at all because of the gelatin.
 

kyleleonard

Jeff Buckley Is God
Check this video out of what goes down more often then not at dairy farms.
*warning VERY graphic*

I'm not a veggie, but I would stab this dude with the fork he's stabbing the cows with.
But I also think not every farmer treats their animals like this, you could tell this man would do this to humans if he could make money out of it.
 
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not_me_not_I

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He is lazy. If he really loved animals then he would commit and be vegan.



It is on the same level if not even worse then eating meat. Cows are pumped full of chemicals,
True.
stuck in a stall so small that they cant even move and the whole time they have some machines stuck on them.
Most of the time not true. They do tend to stand in 2-3 inches of mud, and are in confinements much smaller than a lovely field, but generally can turn around. And they're usually easily trained to walk up to the milking stalls because it means blessed relief from their overfull mutated gigantic udders.
Their calves are taken away from them which in turn makes them sad and depressed
True.
and not producing enough product so they get beaten and/or killed.
They don't get beaten for not making enough milk, there'd really be no point because it doesn't promote milk production and can decrease meat/hide quality. They can get killed at the end of the cycle if they're a poor producer or have udder problems.
The baby calves end up becoming veal.
Well, the girls often stay to become milk cows, the boys go off to become hamburger. Or veal.


I don't think it's a good system. Dairy does produce lots of suffering unless you're fortunate enough to have a small dairy close by that practises it humanely.
I used to be able to get raw milk from such a dairy at my local store until some legislation made it such a pain that the stores wouldn't carry it.
 

nothappynotsad

Snapping necks and cashing checks
Morrissey has done so much for the animal rights movement it seems almost disrespectful to scrutinize his personal dietary choices, no?
 
Morrissey has done so much for the animal rights movement it seems almost disrespectful to scrutinize his personal dietary choices, no?

I've done a lot to stop my local butcher going out of business, is it disrespectful of Morrissey to scrutinise and demonise me for eating meat?
 

Shame

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Morrissey has done so much for the animal rights movement it seems almost disrespectful to scrutinize his personal dietary choices, no?

Whilst I don't intend to 'scrutinse' or 'attack', as my query has been so mildly described, I think his (undeniably strong) history of work and support for animal rights actually means it makes sense to 'scrutinise his personal dietary choices'. It'd be fitting rather than 'disrespectful'. Morrissey is always (massively) condemning people for the exploitation of animals, but to occupy that platform whilst potentially possessing dubious 'dietary choices' could make him hypocritical.

It is therefore rather respectful to 'scrutinise his choices', because it would help to clear up any confusion about possible hypocrisy - even though I never intended anything more than to raise the question of 'oh, he's not vegan. I wonder why?'
 

hand in glove

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I am also an exceedingly picky vegetarian, which makes things incredibly hard. I refer to myself as a pastatarian because that's basically what I eat!

I hope the yogurt Morrissey buys doesn't have gelatin in it. I have yet to find yogurt here which doesn't (although granted, I really only ate the Yoplait stuff). Now I don't eat it at all because of the gelatin.

Pasta is basically all I eat, too. As for yogurt, try Chobani. I usually get the "Very Berry" and it DOES NOT contain gelatin. :)
 

hand in glove

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I'm not a veggie, but I would stab this dude with the fork he's stabbing the cows with.
But I also think not every farmer treats their animals like this, you could tell this man would do this to humans if he could make money out of it.

I could not watch that video. I get so upset and emotional - angry - and I'm at work, so its probably best that I don't watch it anyway. And you're right. If he can treat a poor innocent animal that way, he would definitely treat a human being like that. I feel the same as Morrissey in that respect, tho. I don't see the difference...abuse is abuse. I am trying to become a vegan now, but it's hard when all I eat is pasta and salads. I'd love to eat a raw veggie diet only! Its a goal I hope to reach by the end of the year.
 

Dave2006

Active Member
I've been a vegetarian for almost 20 years - yes, since around the time I first heard MiM - I've never been a vegan, I find it an appealing argument, but I just don't have organisational and planning skills.

I found this useful, a Position Statement from the UK Vegetarian Society on Vegetarianism and Veganism useful (I found it and saved it months ago, but can't seem to find it on the web anymore, so a copy and paste job will have to do):
A vegetarian is someone who does not eat any meat, poultry, game, fish, shellfish,
crustacea or slaughterhouse by-products such as gelatine or animal rennet. However, some
vegetarians go further, eating only free-range eggs, organic dairy products or, in the case of
vegans, no animal products at all (ie no eggs, dairy products or honey in addition to the list
above).
Anyone who stops eating meat will make a valuable contribution to reducing animal suffering
and death. They will also reduce their personal impact on the environment and make a
positive contribution to greater global sustainability. The Vegetarian Society therefore
supports whatever choice people make within the spectrum of vegetarianism. However, we
recognise that animals suffer and are killed in all current commercial methods of dairy and
egg production. These industries also cause environmental damage and require animals to
be fed on plant products that could otherwise be consumed directly by humans. Many of the
reasons for becoming vegetarian also, therefore, suggest that veganism may offer a more
complete solution.
Vegetarian food has become much more widely available in recent years. Thanks to many,
many years of campaigning and promotion by large numbers of individuals and several
different organisations, vegetarianism is, on the whole, no longer seen by most as the
extreme way of life that it once appeared to be. However, ninety-seven percent of the people
in the UK eat meat. The vast majority mix primarily with meat eaters, having grown up in
meat-eating families, where they learned skills and habits for buying, cooking and eating a
diet dependant on animal flesh. Moving to a vegetarian diet can seem a difficult challenge as
they reconsider how to achieve a balanced, healthy diet while still enjoying eating out,
socialising with meat eaters and getting on with their everyday life. The perceived difficulty of
these relatively simple lifestyle changes is one of the reasons why a Vegetarian Society is
still necessary in twenty-first century Britain.
A wholly vegan diet is significantly more restrictive than one that includes eggs and/or dairy
products. Vegans need to work harder than vegetarians to ensure that their diet is well
balanced. They are also much more likely than vegetarians to experience difficulty when
shopping in mainstream outlets or eating out. Many people attracted to the principles of
vegetarianism will never accept this level of change to their lifestyle, but might take the less
dramatic step of becoming vegetarian. Some of these will, as their confidence that they can
eat healthily and enjoyably grows, also cut dairy and eggs from their diet.
The Vegetarian Society supports the principles behind veganism and seeks to both support
and represent vegans as one group within the vegetarian community. Many of our members,
trustees and staff are vegan, but we are not a vegan organisation and will continue to
promote and support non-vegan forms of vegetarianism as a positive contribution towards a
more compassionate and sustainable society.​

Wherever you (or Morrissey) find yourself on the Vegan / Veggie / Meat-free-on-a-Monday spectrum you can at least be satisfied that you contributing to the reduction to animal suffering. And that's good enough for me.

Dave
 

nightingale+therose

...brush me daddy-o
He is lazy. If he really loved animals then he would commit and be vegan.

Anyone that consumes dairy and thinks they are not doing harm to themselves and to an animals is completely wrong. :(

Check this video out of what goes down more often then not at dairy farms.
*warning VERY graphic*

^^ this is why I am vegan. This is why everyone should be vegan and why animal rights laws should exist to sternly deal with barbaric f***wits like the man in that video. If you think about it, Moz is doing his bit here - even though he doesn't know about it - he's getting us to talk about/act upon such issues. That can only be good.
Most things in life are down to personal choice. We all choose which laws or morals to follow, and whether to support murder, torture and exploitation,.. so i'm sure Moz has justified his choices to himself and i'm sure he sleeps soundly at night knowing he's probably done more for animals than all of his vegan and vegetarian fans worldwide through using his fame to promote the facts about cruelty.

For anyone struggling with becoming or being vegan, after a wee while, when the only food that is in the cupboard is vegan food - you don't even think about 'missing out' on anything, and you learn to live with the occasional longing for a cheesy toastie.

Does anyone know what happened to the cows and the man from that video? okay, it's silly to ask what happened to the cows... they are born, they suffer extreme pain and torture then they are murdered, but was the man that was jumping on the face of the calfs and kicking the cows in the face jailed for his actions?
 
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I am a Ghost

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^^ this is why I am vegan. This is why everyone should be vegan and why animal rights laws should exist to sternly deal with barbaric f***wits like the man in that video. If you think about it, Moz is doing his bit here - even though he doesn't know about it - he's getting us to talk about/act upon such issues. That can only be good.
Most things in life are down to personal choice. We all choose which laws or morals to follow, and whether to support murder, torture and exploitation,.. so i'm sure Moz has justified his choices to himself and i'm sure he sleeps soundly at night knowing he's probably done more for animals than all of his vegan and vegetarian fans worldwide through using his fame to promote the facts about cruelty.

For anyone struggling with becoming or being vegan, after a wee while, when the only food that is in the cupboard is vegan food - you don't even think about 'missing out' on anything, and you learn to live with the occasional longing for a cheesy toastie.

Does anyone know what happened to the cows and the man from that video? okay, it's silly to ask what happened to the cows... they are born, they suffer extreme pain and torture then they are murdered, but was the man that was jumping on the face of the calfs and kicking the cows in the face jailed for his actions?

:clap::clap::clap:

And I hope that he was..
 

nightingale+therose

...brush me daddy-o

I am a Ghost

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Ticky Tacky

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Does anyone know what happened to the cows and the man from that video? okay, it's silly to ask what happened to the cows... they are born, they suffer extreme pain and torture then they are murdered, but was the man that was jumping on the face of the calfs and kicking the cows in the face jailed for his actions?

mercyforanimals.org said:
[Billy Joe]Gregg was sentenced to eight months in jail, ordered to pay a $1,000 fine, and is barred from contact with animals for three years. Gregg must also receive counseling through a program that specializes in treating individuals involved in animal abuse cases. http://www.mercyforanimals.org/ohdairy/

A similar video has been released by Mercy for Animals, with abused cows in Texas. It strikes me as odd, the recurring media fueled outrage when these videos are released, yet no real change is made. I'd think if anything, a strong emotional reaction, would do it. Which, of course leads to the Morrissey question....
 

CrystalGeezer

My secret's my enzyme.
A similar video has been released by Mercy for Animals, with abused cows in Texas. It strikes me as odd, the recurring media fueled outrage when these videos are released, yet no real change is made. I'd think if anything, a strong emotional reaction, would do it. Which, of course leads to the Morrissey question....

I've given a lot of thought to this. I think our instinct to be repulsed and prefer to not think about the situation outweighs the desire to change. Too much, too fast. THat's where I feel while Peta is on the right track, they take the wrong approach.

I have no idea at the moment how to gently raise awareness of the atrocious parts while effecting change.
 

Ticky Tacky

New Member
I've given a lot of thought to this. I think our instinct to be repulsed and prefer to not think about the situation outweighs the desire to change. Too much, too fast. THat's where I feel while Peta is on the right track, they take the wrong approach.

Yeah, I'd agree with that. Certainly, sustained changed requires a good deal of effort, at least initially. It can be intimidating, most people have to ease into it.

I have no idea at the moment how to gently raise awareness of the atrocious parts while effecting change.
Has anyone figured that out? Meatless Monday, whenever I hear about it is almost always sold under health or environmental benefits. Vegetarianism/Veganism as well to a lesser extent. Animal welfare(rights can be a dirty word) almost has to be a separate issue.
 
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