Why does Kill Uncle get better and better?

[Sheelagh Delaney]

I bought KU last week and can't stop listening to it. I find it intimate and non-intrusive, and rarely feel bored listening to it. Interestingly I skip the most commercial track on the album 'Our Frank'; and the so called duff numbers are fascinating, even The Harsh Truth of the Camera Eye. The more I listen the more charm and magic this album acquires. It certainly wasn't made for the Top Twenty Radio play list; like all of Mozzer's work it demands time and appreciation. 'Found Found Found' seems to have been completely buggered up by the producers, the best bit is at the end literally!

There is an air of pathos on this record that is both beguilling and alluring. I also bought Southpaw Grammar last week, and I've only played it once. I find KU far too interesting and intriguing. I know KU was discussed in great detail here last week, but I'd really like to hear what other people have to say - do you feel the same way?

Perhaps we are so used to hearing over-long over-produced music in western society is there a distinct possibility that KU is indeed a masterpiece of subtlety and nuance and perhaps we don't know it? The I-produced-this-in-my-bedroom vibe on the album only adds to its brilliance and 'listenability'- now there's a neo-logism for you.

Sheelagh

 

[elsberry]

because... it must (nm)

> I bought KU last week and can't stop listening to it. I find it
> intimate and non-intrusive, and rarely feel bored listening to
> it. Interestingly I skip the most commercial track on the album
> 'Our Frank'; and the so called duff numbers are fascinating,
> even The Harsh Truth of the Camera Eye. The more I listen the
> more charm and magic this album acquires. It certainly wasn't
> made for the Top Twenty Radio play list; like all of Mozzer's
> work it demands time and appreciation. 'Found Found Found' seems
> to have been completely buggered up by the producers, the best
> bit is at the end literally!

> There is an air of pathos on this record that is both beguilling
> and alluring. I also bought Southpaw Grammar last week, and I've
> only played it once. I find KU far too interesting and
> intriguing. I know KU was discussed in great detail here last
> week, but I'd really like to hear what other people have to say
> - do you feel the same way?

> Perhaps we are so used to hearing over-long over-produced music
> in western society is there a distinct possibility that KU is
> indeed a masterpiece of subtlety and nuance and perhaps we don't
> know it? The I-produced-this-in-my-bedroom vibe on the album
> only adds to its brilliance and 'listenability'- now there's a
> neo-logism for you.

> Sheelagh




precious soul

 

[Fabricio]

It's incredible but I feel just the same you feel.

> I bought KU last week and can't stop listening to it. I find it
> intimate and non-intrusive, and rarely feel bored listening to
> it. Interestingly I skip the most commercial track on the album
> 'Our Frank'; and the so called duff numbers are fascinating,
> even The Harsh Truth of the Camera Eye. The more I listen the
> more charm and magic this album acquires. It certainly wasn't
> made for the Top Twenty Radio play list; like all of Mozzer's
> work it demands time and appreciation. 'Found Found Found' seems
> to have been completely buggered up by the producers, the best
> bit is at the end literally!

> There is an air of pathos on this record that is both beguilling
> and alluring. I also bought Southpaw Grammar last week, and I've
> only played it once. I find KU far too interesting and
> intriguing. I know KU was discussed in great detail here last
> week, but I'd really like to hear what other people have to say
> - do you feel the same way?

> Perhaps we are so used to hearing over-long over-produced music
> in western society is there a distinct possibility that KU is
> indeed a masterpiece of subtlety and nuance and perhaps we don't
> know it? The I-produced-this-in-my-bedroom vibe on the album
> only adds to its brilliance and 'listenability'- now there's a
> neo-logism for you.

> Sheelagh




Teresa and Clara

 

[Get me away from here i'm dying]

> I bought KU last week and can't stop listening to it. I find it
> intimate and non-intrusive, and rarely feel bored listening to
> it. Interestingly I skip the most commercial track on the album
> 'Our Frank'; and the so called duff numbers are fascinating,
> even The Harsh Truth of the Camera Eye. The more I listen the
> more charm and magic this album acquires. It certainly wasn't
> made for the Top Twenty Radio play list; like all of Mozzer's
> work it demands time and appreciation. 'Found Found Found' seems
> to have been completely buggered up by the producers, the best
> bit is at the end literally!

> There is an air of pathos on this record that is both beguilling
> and alluring. I also bought Southpaw Grammar last week, and I've
> only played it once. I find KU far too interesting and
> intriguing. I know KU was discussed in great detail here last
> week, but I'd really like to hear what other people have to say
> - do you feel the same way?

> Perhaps we are so used to hearing over-long over-produced music
> in western society is there a distinct possibility that KU is
> indeed a masterpiece of subtlety and nuance and perhaps we don't
> know it? The I-produced-this-in-my-bedroom vibe on the album
> only adds to its brilliance and 'listenability'- now there's a
> neo-logism for you.

> Sheelagh

The reason it gets better and better is because we then get a look at morrissey in his solo prime.......i love King leer, the piano makes me want to dance(shhhhhh dont tell anyone)he he he

 

[my name is unknown]

it's marvellous, that's why

I know KU was discussed in great detail here last
> week, but I'd really like to hear what other people have to say
> - do you feel the same way?

I like short songs. I like pop tunes. I like KU. It has some of my favourite Morrissey songs. I'm not sure what it is that people don't like - the lyrics? The supposedly stupid songs 'king leer' etc I find quite funny in a silly way.

> Perhaps we are so used to hearing over-long over-produced music
> in western society is there a distinct possibility that KU is
> indeed a masterpiece of subtlety and nuance and perhaps we don't
> know it?

You're right. Absolutely right. People expect Morrissey to hit them over the head with his tragic squealings and when he gets more laid-back they feel disappointed. The idiots.

 

[greasetea unKle]

Re: Tony the pony and mute witness and a Jewel/morrissey connection?

Those two tracks (with Our Frank I suppose) make the album worth it, oh how I love Tony the Pony especially when Mozziah does all those wails and hoohahs. The only thing i do not like about it is that in my onionipoinionopopon is that the KROQ EP has far superior versions than the ones on Kill Uncle.

The KROQ sing your life makes me want to drive a hammer into some snot nosed manager that worked at Camelot's music after I asked him if he could order a Morrissey disc for me, this little twit recieved a nice scowl and dramatic sigh as when his manager suggested that I purchase Jewel, who in his words "WERE THE FEMALE EQUIVALENT of Mozziah!"

Oh how I shall rip his arms out of his cockets and jam the limbs high up his ass-sockets for suggesting such dreck. Ihate that yodeling skankadoodle doo and if anyone likes her, then fine that is your right but I personally would rather listen to the bodygaurd soundtrack while some midgets stomp on my privates squirting grape jelly on my forehead..hey that sounds kind of fun.

 

[Hellworthy]

Why is "Kill Uncle" nearly unlistenable?

Having owned the album for years, I put it on the other day and found it almost unbearably limp and paper-thin on tunes. Basically Moz at the darkest point in his career--Alain Whyte, please raise your hand and save our hero from Mark Nevin & Co. The Man himself knows this--witness his purging of said portion of his career from subsequent live sets. Moz announced before tearing into "Shoplifters" in New York that he knew his career had been "spotty"--he could only have been referring to this record. And, maybe..."Pregnant for the Last Time"?

 

[aimless youth]

the female equivalent of Morrissey is

Madonna. (think about it).

 

[Bertrand]

Do you need to be talked down from whatever you're tripping on?

> Madonna. (think about it).

Please, do I have to?

Seriously, Madonna's give is spotting trends and then exploiting them. Morrissey's gift is being an original. How does that make them similar?

 

[aimless youth]

I knew you wouldn't agree

> Please, do I have to?

Yes.

> Seriously, Madonna's give is spotting trends and then exploiting
> them.

No. Sometimes she brings trends up from the underground but I wouldn't call her an exploiter. And she certainly isn't exploitED. If she was like that she would have disappeared years ago. Like Morrissey, she has a lot to say and she refuses to go away.

Morrissey's gift is being an original. How does that make
> them similar?

Can you think of anyone who reminds you of Madonna? (besides Morrissey.) She is her own creation.

Madonna and Morrissey are both

adored and despised
sex objects
sexual revolutionaries
gender benders
divas
depressed
opinionated and obnoxious

I could tell you my theory about Morrissey and Madonna being the yin and yang of late 20th century western pop culture but you wouldn't agree with that either.

p.s. you hate Madonna because you're sexist.

 

[what?]

it's good

Morrissey probably doesn't like it because he associates it with a time when he didn't have a band and he was making records with hired hacks. Hired hacks who weren't all that enthusiastic, from what I can tell. And who knows what he was going through with management and whatnot. The tunes were good though. All they needed was more effort.

 

[am I still ill]

Re: I knew you wouldn't agree

maybe moz should father her next child

 

[hnia]

> I bought KU last week and can't stop listening to it. I find it
> intimate and non-intrusive, and rarely feel bored listening to
> it. Interestingly I skip the most commercial track on the album
> 'Our Frank'; and the so called duff numbers are fascinating,
> even The Harsh Truth of the Camera Eye. The more I listen the
> more charm and magic this album acquires.

I think Moz has some great lyrics and music on this record. But the songs really need to be heard live to go into being. Although turning it up really loud doesn't hurt. I'm glad you've discovered the subtle underbelly of KU. When you find out what makes southpaw so great, come back and let us know.

It certainly wasn't
> made for the Top Twenty Radio play list; like all of Mozzer's
> work it demands time and appreciation. 'Found Found Found' seems
> to have been completely buggered up by the producers, the best
> bit is at the end literally!

The ending rocks!

> There is an air of pathos on this record that is both beguilling
> and alluring. I also bought Southpaw Grammar last week, and I've
> only played it once. I find KU far too interesting and
> intriguing. I know KU was discussed in great detail here last
> week, but I'd really like to hear what other people have to say
> - do you feel the same way?

> Perhaps we are so used to hearing over-long over-produced music
> in western society is there a distinct possibility that KU is
> indeed a masterpiece of subtlety and nuance and perhaps we don't
> know it? The I-produced-this-in-my-bedroom vibe on the album
> only adds to its brilliance and 'listenability'- now there's a
> neo-logism for you.

It also defines Moz's rockability era, nothing wrong with that..
hnia

> Sheelagh

 

[Sheelagh Delaney]

Re: Why is "Kill Uncle" nearly unlistenable?

> Having owned the album for years, I put it on the other day and
> found it almost unbearably limp and paper-thin on tunes.
> Basically Moz at the darkest point in his career--Alain Whyte,
> please raise your hand and save our hero from Mark Nevin &
> Co. The Man himself knows this--witness his purging of said
> portion of his career from subsequent live sets. Moz announced
> before tearing into "Shoplifters" in New York that he
> knew his career had been "spotty"--he could only have
> been referring to this record. And, maybe..."Pregnant for
> the Last Time"?

Perhaps he's so used to hearing that KU is the nadir of his career is has subsumed other people's criticism of it. Maybe HE is not aware of how good it is. It certainly is not as awful as people have made out. Just badly produced; it's certainly not for the want of talent that it is percieved to be iffffffyyyyyyyy!!!

 

[Sheelagh Delaney]

> It's incredible but I feel just the same you feel.

I'm so glad other people feel strongly about KU as I do. Listen, I know 'Vauxhall and I' is the regarded as the holy grail of Mozzer's career, I can listen to each song and say yeah that' good etc.

KU seems to have a much stronger emotional hold over me that is inexplicable. I can't get the tunes out of my head!!! I can play V&I over and over again, but strangely I'm not obsessed with it for some reason. I love 'I Know It's Going To Happen', but even then I only play that on special occasions birthdays etc.

I'm just relieved others feel the exact same way as I do.

 

[hnia]

Re: I knew you wouldn't agree

> Yes.

> No. Sometimes she brings trends up from the underground but I
> wouldn't call her an exploiter. And she certainly isn't
> exploitED. If she was like that she would have disappeared years
> ago. Like Morrissey, she has a lot to say and she refuses to go
> away.

> Morrissey's gift is being an original. How does that make

> Can you think of anyone who reminds you of Madonna? (besides
> Morrissey.) She is her own creation.

> Madonna and Morrissey are both

> adored and despised
> sex objects
> sexual revolutionaries
> gender benders
> divas
> depressed
> opinionated and obnoxious

> I could tell you my theory about Morrissey and Madonna being the
> yin and yang of late 20th century western pop culture but you
> wouldn't agree with that either.

> p.s. you hate Madonna because you're sexist.

I think Bjork is the best comparison because she left a well-know band and gained as much notoriety in the process. Plus, they both are
singers, that need a band. Maybe Annie Lennox of the eurythmics could be another?

Madonna is just her own thing. She will be remembered in a different way forever. Unlike Moz who will always have a Jim Morrison resonance, but not be the icon that Madonna will be/is.

hnia

 

[Get me away from here i'm dying]

CrackWhore

> Madonna. (think about it).

Lets see....madonna is a slut,morrissey is not.Madonna has a awfull voice, morrissey has a great voice.Madonna hasnt had a intelligent thought in her STD ridden life time, morrissey can at least read and converse.Yes i can see how they are similar.

 

[Maladjustedly Keen]

Re: CrackWhore

> Lets see....madonna is a slut,morrissey is not.Madonna has a
> awfull voice, morrissey has a great voice.Madonna hasnt had a
> intelligent thought in her STD ridden life time, morrissey can
> at least read and converse.Yes i can see how they are similar.

though, i do have to say...once morrissey speaks with an american accent...there will be no difference between the two...they would be equally lame...but i have my doubts the ol'mozzer will ruin himself in that way, but he as been somewhat surprising lately...

 

[carlos]

I Remembered You...

> I think Bjork is the best comparison because she left a
> well-know band and gained as much notoriety in the process.
--------

I would agree. I think music-wise, Bjork is miles ahead of the Mozzer at the moment. Lyric-wise, she comes somewhat close, but tends to speak more abstractly than Morrissey. Moz's lyrics will always speak to me more than anyone else's. BTW, Bjork writes the music & lyrics.

> Unlike Moz who will always have a Jim Morrison
> resonance, but not be the icon that Madonna will be/is.
--------

This just proves the sad state of the masses. I'm sure Kurt Kobain will be remembered more than Morrissey, & I'm sure the majority of you agree that that's ridiculous...

Speaking of K.K., what were you Brits thinking for voting "Smells Like Teen Spirit" as the greatest single of all time in Q ?!?

 

[Bertrand]

Re: I knew you wouldn't agree

Okay, the only similarities are: they go by one name, their initial is "M" and they are ex-pats. That's all.

> No. Sometimes she brings trends up from the underground but I
> wouldn't call her an exploiter. And she certainly isn't
> exploitED. If she was like that she would have disappeared years
> ago. Like Morrissey, she has a lot to say and she refuses to go
> away.

Hey I wish I could spot trends and exploit them. That can be a considerable gift.

About your list:

> adored and despised
yes
> sex objects
yes
> sexual revolutionaries
yes
> gender benders
Huh? Neither of them are, which is a similarity, I guess.
> divas
Ru Paul is a diva, not Moz (And I'm not arguing that he's not gay! Please don't bring that up again!)
> depressed
Explain how Madonna is depressed. I've never found that to be a central theme of her music.
> opinionated and obnoxious
Obnoxious might be a little strong.

> I could tell you my theory about Morrissey and Madonna being the
> yin and yang of late 20th century western pop culture but you
> wouldn't agree with that either.

Go ahead and give it a shot. This is a discussion board, afterall.

> p.s. you hate Madonna because you're sexist.
And you're being stupid! Where did I say hate Madonna? I'm mostly indifferent. And why would that make sexist? (I already know the answer, so please spare me the post-modern feminist theorizing)