What "right wing" beliefs of his are the "problem"?

Vegan

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I'll admit I haven't paid much attention to all this controversy but I'm curious what beliefs/statements has Moz made that are so abhorrent? Be specific please. I'm definitely no right winger (especially the morally bankrupt right wing here in the U.S.A.) but simply having right wing beliefs need not necessarily be a "problem", right? I've just been enjoying his recent albums and his being vegan is pretty neat too...so what's the deal?
 

Pippistrella

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I'll admit I haven't paid much attention to all this controversy but I'm curious what beliefs/statements has Moz made that are so abhorrent? Be specific please. I'm definitely no right winger (especially the morally bankrupt right wing here in the U.S.A.) but simply having right wing beliefs need not necessarily be a "problem", right? I've just been enjoying his recent albums and his being vegan is pretty neat too...so what's the deal?
He chided the Chinese once for their open cruelty to animals and said he supported a centrist party that wants to reduce mass immigration into England as the country's culture and demographics are changing too rapidly. Some people say these opinions make him a racist, but they are by no means rare opinions in England and are genuine concerns for a variety of good reasons. Most Englishers agree with him, but as you probably know, the opinions of the press and the general public are two different solar systems these days. So the press make a shocked sensation of it whereas most people simply say, so what, Morrissey's correct.

The Mozzah has always loved classic black music and his favourite writer for years has been the mightily intelligent James Baldwin. In many ways M has always identified well with minority outsiders of all different stripes, be it colour, sexuality, shyness or alienation for whatever reason, so the prejudice accusations seem particularly cruel and absurd. I've seen him live a few times and always saw minorities at his concerts. Some people follow the sensationalist press and the agoraphobic crazies of academia in being way too over sensitive in what they construe as racism. Like anyone Moz has had his misanthropic moments, but they are often more wryly humorous than truly hateful. Due to his quirky uniqueness he has always somewhat been a misunderstood man.

No doubt people will post endless out of context examples of what they deem to be his 'bigotry' but take them with a pinch of salt. He has always attracted much love as well as unfortunate hate from those who do not understand him. I personally believe he thrives from both, needing one as much as the other, and actually often goes out of his way to incite these feelings, but that's another story. In short, Our Moz is almost monkish in sensibility, the polar opposite of a bigot.
 
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Anonymous

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Welcome to the "we live in denial" thread or the "somehow I am able as a socialist to make anything look like something else".

This is not the "I never take away from people what they say or think" thread.
 
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Anonymous

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You'll need to do your research outside this forum and make up your mind. There are people who are seriously delusional on this site.
 
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Anonymous

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Some people are against free speech have a problem with Morrissey not liking people from another race or religion.
Most of his fans don't care or agree with him.
 
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Anonymous

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He really hasn't said anything. The mental illness of the world we live in would rather shame someone for speaking the truth than admit stabbing people in public is not normal , very very abnormal . People are really basically stupid and narcissism has become an epidemic.
 
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Anonymous

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It’s mostly the selective defense of others seen as proof of right wing beliefs. He’s made some comments over time that make more sense in the context of the actual conversation like like Asian comment
 
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Anonymous

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I think it’s also worth pointing out, especially in regards to the way you phrased the question, that morrissey still holds most of the ideals he always had. As I’ve mentioned before not a lot of right wingers are gonna be happy with albums criticizing soldiers praising women praising Israel praising animal rights etc as low in high school did.
 

Vegan

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The Chinese comment I totally understand and have zero problem with. Context is important. It really appears parts of their culture are especially vile and cruel to animals. I'm surprised this thread hasn't attracted the ravenous haters yet
 
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Anonymous

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The Chinese comment I totally understand and have zero problem with. Context is important. It really appears parts of their culture are especially vile and cruel to animals. I'm surprised this thread hasn't attracted the ravenous haters yet
The Troll haters don't like facts though, or context...those types of rational things send them into a spin & short circuits their brains....then all they can do is spew meaningless & unintelligible keyboard venom.
 

Radis Noir

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You are wasting your time asking that question here. I think it would be more profitable for you to spend some time on the search engine of your choice and read a few articles about his racist and quasi-racist statements and outbursts, along with his support for racist organisations and individuals. And are we sure he is vegan? He himself seems unsure at times.
 
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camaud

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Morrissey is not racist in the sense that he doesn't physically or verbally abuse people for being different nationalities than him (though he has made some colourful comments when speaking generally), and he admires people of different nationalities and ethnicities.

The thing is though, he does feel that it would be good if the amount of foreign people in Britain didn't get any higher, and he also feels it would be nice if the amount of foreign people in Britain would actually go down a bit, and he doesn't really feel enough is being done about this. He has apparently said that "everyone prefers their own race". So while he's not out agitating and throwing bricks through windows, at the same time, he is not all about inclusivity and acceptance.
 

Radis Noir

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The thing is though, he does feel that it would be good if the amount of foreign people in Britain didn't get any higher, and he also feels it would be nice if the amount of foreign people in Britain would actually go down a bit, and he doesn't really feel enough is being done about this.
Which is a bit rich for someone who hasn't lived in this country for over twenty years and who happily immigrates himself to any number of other countries.
 

PuppetParrot

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The Chinese comment I totally understand and have zero problem with. Context is important. It really appears parts of their culture are especially vile and cruel to animals. I'm surprised this thread hasn't attracted the ravenous haters yet
Im sure you will unleash them soon enough, Skinny.
 

smiler

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He chided the Chinese once for their open cruelty to animals and said he supported a centrist party that wants to reduce mass immigration into England as the country's culture and demographics are changing too rapidly. Some people say these opinions make him a racist, but they are by no means rare opinions in England and are genuine concerns for a variety of good reasons. Most Englishers agree with him, but as you probably know, the opinions of the press and the general public are two different solar systems these days. So the press make a shocked sensation of it whereas most people simply say, so what, Morrissey's correct.

The Mozzah has always loved classic black music and his favourite writer for years has been the mightily intelligent James Baldwin. In many ways M has always identified well with minority outsiders of all different stripes, be it colour, sexuality, shyness or alienation for whatever reason, so the prejudice accusations seem particularly cruel and absurd. I've seen him live a few times and always saw minorities at his concerts. Some people follow the sensationalist press and the agoraphobic crazies of academia in being way too over sensitive in what they construe as racism. Like anyone Moz has had his misanthropic moments, but they are often more wryly humorous than truly hateful. Due to his quirky uniqueness he has always somewhat been a misunderstood man.

No doubt people will post endless out of context examples of what they deem to be his 'bigotry' but take them with a pinch of salt. He has always attracted much love as well as unfortunate hate from those who do not understand him. I personally believe he thrives from both, needing one as much as the other, and actually often goes out of his way to incite these feelings, but that's another story. In short, Our Moz is almost monkish in sensibility, the polar opposite of a bigot.
Just to add to this excellent post:

Morrissey's core views appear to center around animal rights and more broadly speaking freedom from oppression, these themes cut across political, social and religious boundaries and can easily be misconstrued (sometimes purposefully). He opposes religious practises that involved animal cruelty for example, he is anti establishment and anti government and his is very loud and opinionated on these matters. Similarly he is concerned with the protection of cultural identity and heritage, whether this makes him "right wing" is debatable and largely irrelevant.
 
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Just to add to this excellent post:

Morrissey's core views appear to center around animal rights and more broadly speaking freedom from oppression, these themes cut across political, social and religious boundaries and can easily be misconstrued (sometimes purposefully). He opposes religious practises that involved animal cruelty for example, he is anti establishment and anti government and his is very loud and opinionated on these matters. Similarly he is concerned with the protection of cultural identity and heritage, whether this makes him "right wing" is debatable and largely irrelevant.
He has urged people to support the political party For Britain both in a message on his website and by wearing their badge. For Britain are absolutely and unequivocally a right wing party. Slash taxes for the rich. Abandon foreign aid and any efforts to tackle the climate emergency, and divert these funds to increased military expenditure. Whether they are far right or just right wing is debatable but it is completely undeniable that he has now given his support to a right wing political party. Over half his UK fans have deserted him in the 18 months since. We'll see in 2020 whether they come back or stay away thereby probably ending his career. Until and unless he withdraws his support for right wing politics, my guess is that most of them will stay away.
 

GodEmperorMorrissey

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Morrissey is not racist in the sense that he doesn't physically or verbally abuse people for being different nationalities than him (though he has made some colourful comments when speaking generally), and he admires people of different nationalities and ethnicities.

The thing is though, he does feel that it would be good if the amount of foreign people in Britain didn't get any higher, and he also feels it would be nice if the amount of foreign people in Britain would actually go down a bit, and he doesn't really feel enough is being done about this. He has apparently said that "everyone prefers their own race". So while he's not out agitating and throwing bricks through windows, at the same time, he is not all about inclusivity and acceptance.
And he shouldn't be. England will no longer be English when immigrants become majority. Look at the problems America is having due to mass immigration. America is losing it's identify. Moz has pride in his upbringing and doesn't want to lose it. Amen to that
 
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Anonymous

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And he shouldn't be. England will no longer be English when immigrants become majority. Look at the problems America is having due to mass immigration. America is losing it's identify. Moz has pride in his upbringing and doesn't want to lose it. Amen to that
But americans (white people from Europe) will still claim that they are unique in the way they work together and would take a bullet for one another.

I think things on tv has made americans deluded and they really live in the past. The way they have been fawning over jews was the start of their demise.
 
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Anonymous

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The Chinese comment I totally understand and have zero problem with. Context is important. It really appears parts of their culture are especially vile and cruel to animals. I'm surprised this thread hasn't attracted the ravenous haters yet
We've done well already in other threads on here. I think Moz just realised that the chinese and most orientals do not come from this planet. There is a lot of evidence to support that they are in fact aliens.
The study on the human body have revealed big differences in black people and orientals compared with white people. They have either stayed silent over this for ages or new ways of studying it meant that they were able to find new discoveries.
Nothing is surrounded by red tape as much as science. Revealing that most races have nothing in common would spark war and social unrest. I believe we are ready though for the news that God does not exist and that Jesus was a fairytale hoax person whose body was buried by the romans to quiet a small cult of followers.
If there is no purpose in life we either turn to savages or we create a purpose ourselves but for that we need to end socialism and set people free believing in their potential.
 
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Anonymous

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He has urged people to support the political party For Britain both in a message on his website and by wearing their badge. For Britain are absolutely and unequivocally a right wing party. Slash taxes for the rich. Abandon foreign aid and any efforts to tackle the climate emergency, and divert these funds to increased military expenditure. Whether they are far right or just right wing is debatable but it is completely undeniable that he has now given his support to a right wing political party. Over half his UK fans have deserted him in the 18 months since. We'll see in 2020 whether they come back or stay away thereby probably ending his career. Until and unless he withdraws his support for right wing politics, my guess is that most of them will stay away.
yeah but by supporting them it doesn’t mean he endorses everything they stand for or every person associated. I’m gonna vote for the democratic candidate in my upcoming national election but it’s not because I’m so in love with my candidates and everything they say. I think morrissey hates politicians and politics. He found one that seemed interesting to him probably because of her public stance on animal rights and had a sexual identity that was symbolically important for a head of party. I don’t think that by supporting her he’s agreeing with every part of there plan. Maybe a career oriented celebrities would keep quiet or better explain but he’s morrissey who’s famously not a great explainer of his thoughts in person. I will also say that I don’t really think he has to explain. Being able to hold your own ideas and beliefs, to a certain extent as I have a limit, and be treated fairly and respectfully was one of the leftist ideas I treasure when I was in the minority. The idea that he’s a nazi thinks only white propel are worthwhile ie white supremacy etc are just examples of social pressure control and virtue signaling
 
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