TheSmiths_1985
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Yeah, ok. But the Cheeky Girls…. Phwoaaarrr!
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You Should Not Go To Them, Let Them Come To You...
What absolute twaddle!!
Most people I know were drawn to Morrissey because, as Noel Gallagher once said(and it's not often I quote NG); "Every time you think of a new way to say 'I Love You' in as song, {Morrissey}'ll go one better". It was his encapsulating of the angst of love, sex and relationships for the awkward outsider that drew many towards him and his music. NEVER anything to do with HATE! If anything, his songs of pugilism, ganglords, and violence have always been the grit in the oyster that, as far as I know among my friends, don't sit that easy with those who've followed from pretty much the beginning. Far from HATE, it's been his poetry on the complications and uncertainty of LOVE that have kept most of us here. And away from the constant bitching that does occur on certain areas of the website, there are friendly discussions on other music, poetry, nature, art, films etc. But that doesn't fit the Hater's theories, does it?
The website's main failing is that it allows people who have no time for Morrissey(but apparently plenty of time to hang about his main fan-site) to post utter bilge under the cloak of anonymity. I bet most other music artists(even The Cheeky Girls) don't allow this twattery to go on, but we've had to tolerate it since 1997.
I certainly know who I hate, and it isn't my fellow Morrissey fans.
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Anonymous
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The fact is, most Morrissey fans I've met are maladjusted, self-centered, poisonous cnuts. Every show I've been to has been full of them, and this website seems a fair enough representation. Having followed several groups and singers, Morrissey's hardcore fans seem to be the worst. I'm not sure why he attracts such a fanbase, but it does appear to be a thing.
Mike Rourke
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My plea? Guilty, m'lud.
Big apols.
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Anonymous
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The drunk has recently attempted to remove herself from society according to her of course. Another nasty one and one desperate for attention. Burning JM cds was extremely childish but we’ve come to expect it with her being dragged up.
Shouting at people and ordering them around in the queue is hilarious & maybe she might start kettling people at future shows. Not sure who she thinks she is.
Unsure who sleepwalker is tho.
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Anonymous
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Me too. I'm absolutely vile.
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You Should Not Go To Them, Let Them Come To You...
Anonymous wrote: "I went on the Morrissey-Solo website and slagged off both Morrissey and his hardcore fan base. Imagine my shock and horror when they all ganged up on me and tore me a new arsehole. What's that all about? It seems you can't lead an interesting and fulfilling life, hanging around the fansites of someone you can't stand without getting a volley of abuse from the cognoscenti.
What an utter parcel of rogues. Never happened on the Level 42 fansite!!"
What an utter parcel of rogues. Never happened on the Level 42 fansite!!"
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No 27
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For me, it was the sound of Mike Joyce's toms on Last Night I Dreamt that Somebody Loved Me, later reprised - to even greater effect, if you can believe it - on Interesting Drug.
Have you ever heard the 1986 song, Panic? (Hatred aside, the live version's worth it just for Mike's groovy hi-hat.)
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You Should Not Go To Them, Let Them Come To You...
Well...maybe.
But you have to put that song in the context virtually of the day it was conceived...the day news broke of the Chernobyl meltdown. Morrissey and Marr's shocked reaction to noted Smiths-hater Steve Wright's unconcerned flippancy spurred a patchwork commentary on the empty headedness of certain music. If that's The Smiths sole 'hate-song' then I'll take it.
But you're right, Mike Joyce's drumming is pretty much uncelebrated these days as a result of the court case; he was/is a fantastic drummer and every bit as inventive and imaginative a musician as Johnny or Andy.
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This describes anon No 27 very well. In another thread they wished that Morrissey would die soon …
Off-topic discussion thread / moved as clogging other threads
Wowe indeed, Mr Hoffman. I've just had a look at the dating site. You're not missing much... "Balding, beer-bellied bisexual Moz fan (f) late forties seeks younger version of self (ie pretty, happy, slim)" "Inept, celibate loner (m) 50+, no home, no car, no job, not looking for fun. Notts...
www.morrissey-solo.com
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Anonymous
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It's not the songs so much in my opinion, it's Morrissey's toxic personality that is often echoed by the fans. The mixture of narcissism, self-pity and yes - hatred for others. Read any Smiths interview, or his autobiography, and Morrissey is slagging off all and sundry, left right and centre. He might be doing it wittily, but there are plenty of brickbats being tossed around. He's always been awkward and combative, so it it shouldn't be a surprise when a chunk of his fanbase acts in the same way.
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and is it a surprise to you when those that claim to not like him/his views, act the same way?
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You Should Not Go To Them, Let Them Come To You...
I suppose I should have spotted it was a bit of a wind-up given the question about had I ever heard 'Panic'(hmmm....let me think about that), and the strange referencing of Mike Joyce's drumming. Guess I need to start being a bit more vigilant...
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You Should Not Go To Them, Let Them Come To You...
Okay, I'll concede that Morrissey is a very divisive character, maybe THE most divisive in modern music, but I don't know of anyone who became a fan because of his withering put-downs, or the way he slaughtered Gary Numan while reviewing his single for Smash Hits. Generations of teenagers never cried themselves to sleep reading his interview with The Face, or nursed their first broken heart by watching his turn on Eight Days A Week.
It's always anonymous posters who cause all the acrimony on here. This is an information/fan site for Morrissey, not an open forum on general music. It's like if I, as a Celtic supporter, walked into a Rangers pub in Glasgow, wearing a mask so no-one could tell my identity, then started shouting abuse about Rangers or their fans, I would(quite rightly) get my head booted off it's shoulders. Not because the Rangers fans are nasty thugs, but because I've acted like a complete bell-end deliberately antagonising a bunch of people minding their own business, just because I disagree with them.
Most of the Morrissey/Smiths fans I know either on here, or in 'the real world', are the absolute salt of the earth, without exception. Morrissey concerts I've attended have been utter celebrations, arms around each other, swaying and belting out the words(admittedly all the concerts I've attended have been in Scotland, so I don't know if it's a peculiarly Scottish thing), never any violence or intimidation.
And yet....for 26 years we've had to tolerate, virtually EVERY DAY, people who don't like Morrissey(to put it mildly), or his fans, and we have to suffer this parade of anonymous melts firing off insult after insult after insult. Admittedly it's nowhere near as bad as 2002-2006, when the level of racial, sexist and homophobic insults being blanket bombed over the site, always by anonymous Morrissey haters, or sometimes just mad f***ers who had nothing better to do but hang around a website you didn't have to log into and had no security, went into overdrive and caused the whole redesigning of the website.
And when we bite back, they all start to act hurt, or defensive, and call us the Bad Guys!
Get a f***in' reality check!
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Anonymo
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I sort of 'hate' fans who are constantly making excuses and keep defending him even when his behaviour is just downright terrible and/or plain stupid. He should know how to comport himself by now, instead he behaves like a pretentious, smug, holier-than-thou twät far too often. I'm a rather difficult character like he is* but even I manage to be neither reckless nor rude when I'm pissed off with something or somebody by simply getting ahold of myself at some point and reminding myself of not being too reckless and/or rude. There's no excuse for him being a selfish prick so often when it comes to his rather abysmal treatment of other people. In return his bad behaviour might also rub off on some of his weird die-hard fans who keep adoring him no matter what, which in turn might make him behave even worse (because he can get away with it easily), so there might be a vicious circle thing going on here. (Please note this is not an assessment taking all factors into account but my personal impression of the entire situation.)
Speaking of him being a selfish prick, I abhor the weird yes-men/women he keeps surrounding himself with. By incessantly sucking up to him, not pointing out his mistakes to him, and not running rings around him at least sometimes, these people don't do him any service at all, quite the contrary. But I guess sucking up to him is the only way of being (and remaining) in his graces these days, so I kind of 'hate' him for being such a self-complacent prick, too.
End of 'hate' rant.
*Funny bit, for those who believe in this stuff (I don't but I do admit I find the similarities of manners and behaviour pretty hilarious and kind of interesting): I've got the same astrological constellations linked with having mood swings, being socially awkward, and generally a bit of a cnut: Gemini, moon in Scorpio, Venus in Cancer. I guess both he and I are just royally fücked when it comes to our natal charts, LOL.
Speaking of him being a selfish prick, I abhor the weird yes-men/women he keeps surrounding himself with. By incessantly sucking up to him, not pointing out his mistakes to him, and not running rings around him at least sometimes, these people don't do him any service at all, quite the contrary. But I guess sucking up to him is the only way of being (and remaining) in his graces these days, so I kind of 'hate' him for being such a self-complacent prick, too.
End of 'hate' rant.
*Funny bit, for those who believe in this stuff (I don't but I do admit I find the similarities of manners and behaviour pretty hilarious and kind of interesting): I've got the same astrological constellations linked with having mood swings, being socially awkward, and generally a bit of a cnut: Gemini, moon in Scorpio, Venus in Cancer. I guess both he and I are just royally fücked when it comes to our natal charts, LOL.
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Еleanor
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don't get too excited, Grandpa. you're not going to get anything anyway. You can't get to Morrissey's nipples!
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Anonymo
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Since you seem to be female, you can't either.
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Еleanor
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How do you know that, you old goat?Since you seem to be female, you can't either.
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Anonymous
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Blasphemy.
There’s not a more genuine guy out there than Ant. No amount of poisoning or smearing will change that. Diddums.
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Joseph Holt
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Captain Drake
