what is the juiciest piece of Moz gossip you've ever heard?

Discussion in 'General Discussion archive 2000 (read-only)' started by miserable lie, Mar 8, 2000.

  1. Bertrand

    Bertrand Guest

    Re: also

    > wait 10 years and revisit all your 'straight' moz fans. i'm
    > cerain you'll find that most or all of them have come out. it's
    > like a right of passage. it's all been done before. i'm guessing
    > you're young, so you haven't seen this all before as many times
    > as i have. remember, the original smiths/moz fans are now well
    > into their 30s.

    > benny

    I am an original Smiths fan (I bought the first album the month it was released in the US, I am well into my thirties, and I am very sure of my straightness. Most of the fans I know are straight, and for most of my gay friends, he's not part of their cultural landscape. (Don't take this as a sweeping generalization. I'm only talking about my friends.)

    I'm not even debating if he is gay, bi or straight. I don't care!
    It's just you don't see ambiguity and I do.

    I guess all we'll ever do on this subject is disagree.
     
  2. Re: to c ili

    > *********you sincerely doubt??? let me tell you something:
    > record companies do not let their artists just go out and prove
    > their merit on word of mouth. every single that was on the
    > radio, every public appearance, every top of the pops, was the
    > result of a publicist of some sort. tv shows don't just call up
    > a superstar at home and say "why don't you come on my
    > show?" you must be a bit young. or at least naive. i bet
    > you believe that 'entertainment tonight' actually goes out and
    > reports news! just to let you know, EVERYTHING on any of those
    > types of shows (which morrissey has been on in the past) is set
    > up by a publicist. publicists have to BEG to get et or access
    > hollywood or even the local news to come and cover an event.

    > in other words, yes, morrissey had a publicist. either provided
    > by the record company or chosen by him. but he had one.

    Please! The Smiths were one of the worst and least managed groups of all time. Morrissey created and maintained his own image. They could never keep managers because Moz wouldn't allow them to do their jobs. If RoughTrade provided any publicists, I'm sure they were treated as no more than lackeys.

    BTW, get off you high horse, we're not all idiots - we know how the world works.

    > maybe i'm just older and (slightly) wiser - or at least i've
    > seen a little bit more than you. naivety and youth do tend to
    > make the world seem a little brighter, i'll certainly give you
    > that.

    Oh stop!!
     
  3. Cili

    Cili Guest

    Hey Fabricio...

    > Of course I can do it to you!!!

    Do it to me baby! [Laughs]

    > See the link below. The first photo is my daughter, the second
    > one is my niece and the last one is both with my sister in law.

    You know, I just realized that I never replied to your message. I've been enthusiastically clicking on that link to see the pics since I've seen your message and have been online, but like an airhead I forgot to thank you! ...Fabricio, you have SUCH a cute little girl! I LOVE those new pictures of her! Clara is cute too, but Teresa screams heart-breaker! So be careful Fabricio. [Laughs]

    I want you to know that I'll be checking your every message for new pictures of her, so hurry up and start clicking away! You know what else I noticed? In that first picture of her, she almost looks like me in one of my old baby pics, only my hair is a shade lighter, and my face is more angular. How old did you say Teresa is?

    > A hug,
    > Fabricio.

    Oh...

    > P.S.: Your Audrey's photos are wonderful!

    Thank you, but I don't feel right about taking credit for photos of Audrey Hepburn (because I didn't take them). She is beautiful though isn't she?


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  4. Fabricio

    Fabricio Guest

    Re: Hey Fabricio...

    > Do it to me baby! [Laughs]

    > You know, I just realized that I never replied to your message.
    > I've been enthusiastically clicking on that link to see the pics
    > since I've seen your message and have been online, but like an
    > airhead I forgot to thank you! ...Fabricio, you have SUCH a cute
    > little girl! I LOVE those new pictures of her! Clara is cute
    > too, but Teresa screams heart-breaker! So be careful Fabricio.
    > [Laughs]

    Oh thank you!

    I think I didn't tell you Clara lives in Spain with my sister. I like Clara too much, and I miss her...

    > I want you to know that I'll be checking your every message for
    > new pictures of her, so hurry up and start clicking away! You
    > know what else I noticed? In that first picture of her, she
    > almost looks like me in one of my old baby pics, only my hair is
    > a shade lighter, and my face is more angular. How old did you
    > say Teresa is?

    I think I'll change the picture Sunday, you can see it again. And sorry for asking it, but do you have some photos of you when you was younger to show me? You certainly was a beautiful girl by your description... And my Teresa is 2 years and 11 months...

    > Oh...

    A hug,
    Fabricio

    > Thank you, but I don't feel right about taking credit for photos
    > of Audrey Hepburn (because I didn't take them). She is beautiful
    > though isn't she?




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  5. Fabricio

    Fabricio Guest

    Re: also

    I really don't agree with your ideas, Benny, but you seem to reasoning well.

    Anyway, this post you wrote was ridiculous. As Bertrand, I am in my 30's, I was a Smiths fan almost since their begining and I'm not gay.

    And see the latino fans Morrissey has nowadays. Do you think in the next 10 years most of them will be gay?

    No chance, amigo.

    > wait 10 years and revisit all your 'straight' moz fans. i'm
    > cerain you'll find that most or all of them have come out. it's
    > like a right of passage. it's all been done before. i'm guessing
    > you're young, so you haven't seen this all before as many times
    > as i have. remember, the original smiths/moz fans are now well
    > into their 30s.

    > benny




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  6. Cili

    Cili Guest

    Adorable children

    > Oh thank you!

    You're welcome. :)

    > I think I didn't tell you Clara lives in Spain with my sister. I
    > like Clara too much, and I miss her...

    And you're in Brazil right? Fabricio, is Clara a melancholy child? She's got such serious eyes, and a bit of a heavy smile. Teresa has one of those smiles which use the entire face to form... so adorable.

    > I think I'll change the picture Sunday, you can see it again.

    You know I'm waiting for it!

    > And sorry for asking it, but do you have some photos of you when
    > you was younger to show me?

    Oh no, don't be sorry... but that's a bit personal. I may seem like a completely open person here, and I may be in certain regards, but generally I'm pretty private. But in that one photo I'm talking about, it's because it's the exact same camera angle, pose, candid expression... but I really do look strangely like your daughter, except for some minor things here and there. I was also a little older--around 5, I think--which explains why I had a little less baby fat.

    > You certainly was a beautiful girl
    > by your description... And my Teresa is 2 years and 11 months...

    "WAS a beautiful girl?!" ;-(

    > A hug,
    > Fabricio

    You latin men are so affectionate...


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  7. Fabricio

    Fabricio Guest

    Re: Adorable children

    > You're welcome. :)

    > And you're in Brazil right? Fabricio, is Clara a melancholy
    > child? She's got such serious eyes, and a bit of a heavy smile.
    > Teresa has one of those smiles which use the entire face to
    > form... so adorable.

    Clara seems a little bit complex child to me. She really has serious eyes and she doesn't smiles a lot. Anyway when she is happy all her body shows her happiness. It' very beautiful her happiness...

    And Teresa is exactly like you said. Thank you.

    > You know I'm waiting for it!

    You can take a look to the link now. I've changed the photo. This new photo I took today! So she is now exactly like this photo.

    > Oh no, don't be sorry... but that's a bit personal. I may seem
    > like a completely open person here, and I may be in certain
    > regards, but generally I'm pretty private. But in that one photo
    > I'm talking about, it's because it's the exact same camera
    > angle, pose, candid expression... but I really do look strangely
    > like your daughter, except for some minor things here and there.
    > I was also a little older--around 5, I think--which explains why
    > I had a little less baby fat.

    Very interesting you description... I think I don't need to see the photo anymore.

    > "WAS a beautiful girl?!" ;-(

    Oh sorry... But you see, if I told you you seem a beautiful girl you could be angry with me... But I think you seem to be beautiful anyway...

    > You latin men are so affectionate...

    Perhaps. But Curitiba is the less affectionate of Brazilian cities, so I had some problems with my way of being.

    Another hug,
    Fabricio


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  8. Cili

    Cili Guest

    Re: Adorable children

    > Clara seems a little bit complex child to me. She really has
    > serious eyes and she doesn't smiles a lot. Anyway when she is
    > happy all her body shows her happiness. It' very beautiful her
    > happiness...

    She's a girl that understands what happiness means. I always find that such a precious quality.

    > And Teresa is exactly like you said. Thank you.

    You can see it in those two pictures you've put up. It's all in her eyes. I'll bet she's like me, where you can read everything in her eyes. It's difficult to hide things when you're like that.

    > You can take a look to the link now. I've changed the photo.
    > This new photo I took today! So she is now exactly like this
    > photo.

    I saw it! God, she is darling. Just darling. Adorable, adorable, adorable. I'll be checking your link whenever I see it with your messages.

    > Very interesting you description... I think I don't need to see
    > the photo anymore.

    I think it's just that one picture. For some reason, once I realized it, I saw how uncanny it was. Eerie.

    > Oh sorry... But you see, if I told you you seem a beautiful girl
    > you could be angry with me... But I think you seem to be
    > beautiful anyway...

    I know that I sort of coerced that one out of you, but thank you for saying so. :p

    > Perhaps. But Curitiba is the less affectionate of Brazilian
    > cities, so I had some problems with my way of being.

    I think it's like that that the world over. I've noticed that people seem to hate and respect sensitivity (in men) at the same time. It's a very strange relationship.

    > Another hug,
    > Fabricio

    You're spoiling me.


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  9. Fabricio

    Fabricio Guest

    Re: Adorable children

    > She's a girl that understands what happiness means. I always
    > find that such a precious quality.

    Oh yeah... I'm remebering her now...

    > You can see it in those two pictures you've put up. It's all in
    > her eyes. I'll bet she's like me, where you can read everything
    > in her eyes. It's difficult to hide things when you're like
    > that.

    You seem very similar to my daughter indeed!

    Well, as for me, sometimes I think I am like James Dean: people says me that is very difficult to know what I am feeling sometimes... and the strange thing is that when this happens even I don't know what I am feeling!!! *laughs*

    > I saw it! God, she is darling. Just darling. Adorable, adorable,
    > adorable. I'll be checking your link whenever I see it with your
    > messages.

    I have new photos... Tomorrow I'll change the photo again... just for you...

    > I think it's just that one picture. For some reason, once I
    > realized it, I saw how uncanny it was. Eerie.

    There are so many strange things in my life, you couldn't imagine how many they are...

    > I know that I sort of coerced that one out of you, but thank you
    > for saying so. :p

    I was not coerced, I swear it. The fact is that Suzanne is becoming angry with me because of my way of doing things, and I didn't want that you were angry with me too...

    > I think it's like that that the world over. I've noticed that
    > people seem to hate and respect sensitivity (in men) at the same
    > time. It's a very strange relationship.

    You defined perfectly my whole life... Since I've read your definition about my life I think you are correct and I rememeber all my life... this was deep...

    > You're spoiling me.

    You'll never be spoiled.

    And still another hug,
    Fabricio


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  10. Cili

    Cili Guest

    Re: Adorable chicken

    > You seem very similar to my daughter indeed!

    Maybe in that respect, but if I were half as cute as Teresa, I'd... I don't know, but I wouldn't be able to take it. I'd have my arms wrapped around myself all day! I'd get nothing done, so I suppose things worked out for the best.

    > Well, as for me, sometimes I think I am like James Dean: people
    > says me that is very difficult to know what I am feeling
    > sometimes... and the strange thing is that when this happens
    > even I don't know what I am feeling!!! *laughs*

    Well I don't think it's such a bad thing to conceal your feelings. I actually prefer it when people are less outwardly emotional. If you still can't figure yourself out, at least you're still exploring your inner world, and that can be very interesting. And I think if you're going to be like anyone, James Dean is a good choice--except for that little mishap at the end of the story. By the way, speaking of James Dean, he used to race his little silver Porsche around the hills where I live--that's what I was told anyway. Apparently, he sped his car through all the windy streets, practicing his driving skills. Crazy bastard. One slip-up, and you're off the side of a mountain.

    > I have new photos... Tomorrow I'll change the photo again...
    > just for you...

    I'm looking forward to it! I hope she's wearing that cute little 101 Dalmations shirt too! :)

    > There are so many strange things in my life, you couldn't
    > imagine how many they are...

    Well life is a strange thing. It keeps things interesting though, don't you agree? I used to think that I was bored with life, until I realized that I just wasn't seeing how fun and interesting it actually is. It's like a story that never really ends; and when it does, you're dead--so it really doesn't matter anymore at that point where the story goes.

    > I was not coerced, I swear it. The fact is that Suzanne is
    > becoming angry with me because of my way of doing things, and I
    > didn't want that you were angry with me too...

    Your way of doing things? How do you mean? And Fabricio, I wouldn't be angry just because you told me that I was beautiful. Or cute. Or desirable. Or hot mamalicious. You know, I wouldn't mind.

    > You defined perfectly my whole life... Since I've read your
    > definition about my life I think you are correct and I rememeber
    > all my life... this was deep...

    It's just not easy being. I know, that sentence seems like it wants to go on, but that's it. Sometimes I think it's easier (probably better) to not think about too much, and just basically do things as you please. There are simply too many shoes to fill, and too many steps to walk in. If I were you Fabricio, I wouldn't tip-toe around just because you're concerned about bothering people. You know you're nice, and your daughter knows you're nice--I don't see the point in trying to please anybody else. The way I see it, if one person decides not to like you anymore, just turn around, and there will be another person facing you. Ultimately, we all walk alone anyhow.

    > You'll never be spoiled.

    It's too late for me. Save yourself.

    > And still another hug,
    > Fabricio

    That's right. Keep 'em comin'... :)


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  11. Fabricio

    Fabricio Guest

    Re: Adorable chicken

    > Maybe in that respect, but if I were half as cute as Teresa,
    > I'd... I don't know, but I wouldn't be able to take it. I'd have
    > my arms wrapped around myself all day! I'd get nothing done, so
    > I suppose things worked out for the best.

    hehehe. But I'm sure you are as cute as Teresa.

    > Well I don't think it's such a bad thing to conceal your
    > feelings. I actually prefer it when people are less outwardly
    > emotional. If you still can't figure yourself out, at least
    > you're still exploring your inner world, and that can be very
    > interesting.

    I really try to explore my inner world. This is the best thing I can do.

    > And I think if you're going to be like anyone,
    > James Dean is a good choice--except for that little mishap at
    > the end of the story. By the way, speaking of James Dean, he
    > used to race his little silver Porsche around the hills where I
    > live--that's what I was told anyway.

    Oh!!!! This is great!!!

    >Apparently, he sped his car
    > through all the windy streets, practicing his driving skills.
    > Crazy bastard. One slip-up, and you're off the side of a
    > mountain.

    Poor guy.

    It's interesting but I don't like cars that much. I like to go here and there with them, but I don't like velocity and I'm not attached to cars, as almost all Brazilian people...

    > I'm looking forward to it! I hope she's wearing that cute little
    > 101 Dalmations shirt too! :)

    I'm glad you like it! Do you want more photos?

    > Well life is a strange thing. It keeps things interesting
    > though, don't you agree? I used to think that I was bored with
    > life, until I realized that I just wasn't seeing how fun and
    > interesting it actually is. It's like a story that never really
    > ends; and when it does, you're dead--so it really doesn't matter
    > anymore at that point where the story goes.

    Yeah, this is true. See James Dean for example. His life is an example of a life that didn't end. For me it seems he is present again in the streets where he used to race. Life must be like this: intense. We have to live now... and this moment stays someway.

    > Your way of doing things? How do you mean? And Fabricio, I
    > wouldn't be angry just because you told me that I was beautiful.
    > Or cute. Or desirable. Or hot mamalicious. You know, I wouldn't
    > mind.

    Oh what a goodness. Do you think I didn't do anything wrong? You are spoiling me Cili.

    > It's just not easy being. I know, that sentence seems like it
    > wants to go on, but that's it. Sometimes I think it's easier
    > (probably better) to not think about too much, and just
    > basically do things as you please. There are simply too many
    > shoes to fill, and too many steps to walk in. If I were you
    > Fabricio, I wouldn't tip-toe around just because you're
    > concerned about bothering people. You know you're nice, and your
    > daughter knows you're nice--I don't see the point in trying to
    > please anybody else. The way I see it, if one person decides not
    > to like you anymore, just turn around, and there will be another
    > person facing you. Ultimately, we all walk alone anyhow.

    Thank you Cili. Very much. I'll always remember what you wrote.

    > It's too late for me. Save yourself.

    It's never to late.

    > That's right. Keep 'em comin'... :)

    A hug,
    Fabricio


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  12. Cili

    Cili Guest

    Re: A horrible drippin

    > hehehe. But I'm sure you are as cute as Teresa.

    Sweetheart, I don't think ANYone is as cute as Teresa. [Laughs]

    > I really try to explore my inner world. This is the best thing I
    > can do.

    I think discovering yourself is the greatest thing anyone can do to understand the world around them. People are essentially the same, and to understand yourself is to understand all people, generally speaking.

    > Poor guy.

    Well, I wouldn't feel too sorry for him. He lived his entire life as he had always wanted to live it, in pursuit of what he loved, and if he lived that way, "what what did it matter if he existed for two or for twenty years?" Is there ever enough time, when you're happy?

    > I'm glad you like it! Do you want more photos?

    You know I do Fabricio.

    > Yeah, this is true. See James Dean for example. His life is an
    > example of a life that didn't end. For me it seems he is present
    > again in the streets where he used to race. Life must be like
    > this: intense. We have to live now... and this moment stays
    > someway.

    I feel that it's important to live fully, if you choose to exist. Most of us will exist a little beyond our deaths through those people that we've touched during our lifetimes, but for the most part--unless you're an Audrey Hepburn, or a Jean Cocteau--we eventually disappear forever. I think most of us will die without leaving any everlasting legacy, so it's important to live, not so much intensely, but happily, because when you're gone, you're gone. And it could happen at any time. If I lived for tomorrow, my greatest fear would be dying today. Happiness is so simple once you stop chasing it.

    > Oh what a goodness. Do you think I didn't do anything wrong? You
    > are spoiling me Cili.

    I would never blame anyone for complimenting me. ;-)

    > A hug,

    That's right...


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  13. Fabricio

    Fabricio Guest

    Re: A horrible drippin

    > to understand the world around them. People are essentially the
    > same, and to understand yourself is to understand all people,
    > generally speaking.

    Yes, this is true. And I have to add that is a very difficult job, knowing myself.

    > Well, I wouldn't feel too sorry for him. He lived his entire
    > life as he had always wanted to live it, in pursuit of what he
    > loved, and if he lived that way, "what what did it matter
    > if he existed for two or for twenty years?" Is there ever
    > enough time, when you're happy?

    You are correct as always. His lived much more intensely than most of people who lived more years.

    > You know I do Fabricio.

    I'll put a new photo today!

    > I feel that it's important to live fully, if you choose to
    > exist. Most of us will exist a little beyond our deaths through
    > those people that we've touched during our lifetimes, but for
    > the most part--unless you're an Audrey Hepburn, or a Jean
    > Cocteau--we eventually disappear forever. I think most of us
    > will die without leaving any everlasting legacy, so it's
    > important to live, not so much intensely, but happily, because
    > when you're gone, you're gone. And it could happen at any time.
    > If I lived for tomorrow, my greatest fear would be dying today.
    > Happiness is so simple once you stop chasing it.

    I think there's no other choice. Life is so easier when you are like that. I never thought this way in my past - but I began to live each day without thinking about the future... I am really happier now...

    > I would never blame anyone for complimenting me. ;-)

    You are great.

    > That's right...

    A hug, Fabricio.




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