what is the juiciest piece of Moz gossip you've ever heard?

Discussion in 'General Discussion archive 2000 (read-only)' started by miserable lie, Mar 8, 2000.

  1. and do you believe it?
     
  2. benny

    benny Guest

    here's a good one, and it's true

    i know for a fact that morrissey cancelled his carnegie hall performaces in nyc several years ago (1995?) because he checked into rehab in los angeles.

    can't tell how i know, but i will say that i had backstage passes set up by a person who was in negotiations with moz to become his manager, who decided not to take morrissey as a client after all.
     
  3. > and do you believe it?

    That Julia Riley is actually Morrissey's sister Jackie, and she had him cloned to do the most recent tour. The real Morrissey resides in Needles with his two cats and a vast collection of furby's.
     
  4. here's a good one

    > i know for a fact that morrissey cancelled his carnegie hall
    > performaces in nyc several years ago (1995?) because he checked
    > into rehab in los angeles.

    Alcoholism? coke snorter? cough syrup junkie? tea dt's? Why don't these people with 'inside info' ever name their sources. And why are they so vague. Is it because they are lying??
     
  5. Morrissey in Playgirl

    > and do you believe it?

    No. Or not really. It has some inaccuracies (Moz a virgin at 36? he got laid like crazy when he was a teenager). Mostly I like this one because it's from Playgirl magazine and that amuses me.




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  6. benny

    benny Guest

    alcoholism

    > Alcoholism? coke snorter? cough syrup junkie? tea dt's? Why
    > don't these people with 'inside info' ever name their sources.
    > And why are they so vague. Is it because they are lying??

    the reason is simple enough. i was told in confidence. for those of you who don't know what that means, i'll tell you. the person telling you trusts you not to tell. however, this has been several years now, and it's not likely to get back to anyone. not that many of the 13 year olds who post here would be able to bust me, but i'd rather not take my chances. i work in the entertainment industry and you never know, word gets around.

    i understand your hesitance to believe in things posted on the web, i certainly don't believe most of what i read. all i can say is that this is most definitely the truth, and you can believe it or not, and the world will go on.

    you'll notice, however, that in most newspapers and magazines, many insiders are willing to speak 'off the record', i.e. anonymously, for the same reasons i mentioned above.

    benny
     
  7. benny

    benny Guest

    a virgin to women

    he could definitely be a virgin where women are concerned.

    this 'ambiguety' of his sexual identity is a joke. i am all for a person's right to keep his personal life personal, but, come on, *look* at him in the '80s. that is not a straight person in lipstick and eye shadow, whipping himself with tree branches. and *listen* to his lyrics ('nature played a trick on me', 'now you know the truth about me you won't see me anymore', 'if you ever need self validation meet me in the alley by the railway station', 'and in a darkened underpass i thought oh god my chance has come at last', 'and everything depends upon how near you stand to me', the list goes on and on and on and on....

    it may be a bit vague, but it's definitely clear. straight people do not have to hide their affection in darkened underpasses and alleys.

    i seriously doubt, however, that moz has ever seriously dated a woman. he may relate to them, but he's not into them. that was all marketing ( i work in marketing and p.r., i know how it works), probably timed the the release of an album. when you're pushing a record, there is no bad publicity.

    benny

    > No. Or not really. It has some inaccuracies (Moz a virgin at 36?
    > he got laid like crazy when he was a teenager). Mostly I like
    > this one because it's from Playgirl magazine and that amuses me.
     
  8. unvirgin

    > he could definitely be a virgin where women are concerned.

    No. There's Linder. There's Annalisa. There's that black girl in 1977. Lots of his songs sound like they are about girls (romantically).
     
  9. Julia rumour

    I heard that Morrissey pays Julia to follow him around to give the impression that he still has a hysterical fanbase. And you wonder how she affords it ...
     
  10. benny

    benny Guest

    Re: unvirgin

    > No. There's Linder. There's Annalisa. There's that black girl in
    > 1977. Lots of his songs sound like they are about girls
    > (romantically).

    there are lots more that sound as if they're about men or his dealing with his homosexuality: 'i am the son and heir of a shyness that is CRIMINALLY vulgar', 'is it really so strange', 'half a person', etc.

    you neglected to comment on his nellie appearance. why are so many of his fans young gay boys? it's pretty obvious. jake was his boyfriend for years.

    benny
     
  11. deathwish

    deathwish Guest

    stop in the name of the moz

    Let's stop talking about Morrissey's sex life. Now. Sometimes I feel ashamed that I'm part of this morbid bisexual personality cult.

    Sex is fun, like chocolate sundaes, but sometimes i'd rather slit my throat.
    -- raymond chandler said that
     
  12. Cili

    Cili Guest

    You are? --Just kidding.

    > this 'ambiguety' of his sexual identity is a joke. i am all for
    > a person's right to keep his personal life personal, but, come
    > on, *look* at him in the '80s. that is not a straight person in
    > lipstick and eye shadow, whipping himself with tree branches.

    I think it's important to keep an open mind and not jump to conclusions too quickly. Morrissey has said many times both implicitly and explicitly that he was opposed to the well-defined borders separating male and female behaviour. Sure, if looking at Morrissey, you only have homo or heterosexuality as choices, it would make sense to choose homosexuality. But the world is larger than that; so too should your mind be. There are many more colours than just black and white.

    You saw a man in eye shadow and lipstick and you call him gay. I see a man (whose sexuality I'm just not sure of) who's trying to make a public statement. I saw him wearing a hearing-aid, but I never thought he was deaf. He's definitely effeminate, but does that mean he likes having sex with men?

    > and *listen* to his lyrics ('nature played a trick on me', 'now

    Again, those lyrics can mean anything depending upon how large your palette is.

    > you know the truth about me you won't see me anymore', 'if you
    > ever need self validation meet me in the alley by the railway
    > station', 'and in a darkened underpass i thought oh god my
    > chance has come at last', 'and everything depends upon how near
    > you stand to me', the list goes on and on and on and on....

    As far as those above quotes go, I feel that even a person who sees only in black and white would be hard pressed to determine that there are homosexual undertones present.

    > it may be a bit vague, but it's definitely clear. straight
    > people do not have to hide their affection in darkened
    > underpasses and alleys.

    From a lyrical standpoint, I think it's a lot vague and very unclear. If it were very clear, he'd be Brett Anderson (and even he's not gay). As far as the "straight people do not have to hide their love" bit, I think you definitely need to widen your horizons a bit darling.

    > i seriously doubt, however, that moz has ever seriously dated a
    > woman.

    That is one of the most presumptuous presumptions I've ever read! But I do that too so...

    > he may relate to them, but he's not into them.

    I take it back. THAT was the most presumptuous.

    > that was all marketing ( i work in marketing and p.r.,

    Aha! That explains everything. Every public relations person I've ever known has had this terrible way of sectioning and labeling human beings, never allowing people to cross lines. And if they do, they're immediately segregated and labeled!

    It doesn't sound like you have any belief in art, artistic merit, or personalities at all! Not all public behaviour is public relations. Kula Shaker may have an image consultant, but I sincerely doubt that Morrissey or the boys did.

    > i know how it works)

    Mmm, I'll bet you do. :p

    > probably timed the the release of an album. when you're
    > pushing a record, there is no bad publicity.

    You should quit your job immediately. It's totally killing your spirit.


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  13. carlos

    carlos Guest

    Oh, here we go again...

    I have a recording of an interview in which Morrissey explains that he cancelled the Carnegie Hall show because his (then) manager booked that particular show & authorized ticket sales completely without Moz's knowledge. In his own words... "I can't really live that way..." meaning that he can't allow others to run away with his career & affairs... ultimately, Morrissey has to retain control of what he does.

    When faced with believing the words of Morrissey himself, or someone who says... "i know for a fact that...", etc... I choose Morrissey.

    -c

    > i know for a fact that morrissey cancelled his carnegie hall
    > performaces in nyc several years ago (1995?) because he checked
    > into rehab in los angeles.

    > can't tell how i know, but i will say that i had backstage
    > passes set up by a person who was in negotiations with moz to
    > become his manager, who decided not to take morrissey as a
    > client after all.


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  14. Zapato

    Zapato Guest

    BENNY & his non-believers

    Benny:

    I agree with you all the way and believe what you've stated all along. I've been a fan for years and years.... Some things are quite evident when it comes to Moz. If ther're "not" to you(Benny non-believers), then you're just dreaming.

    I realize what PAID publicists put out about him and seen his shows, read his interviews, listened to his records, read his lyrics, etc.... Ever thought about it? If you "claim" or infer being bi, you've just DOUBLED your "fan base". It's so simple, yet so difficult for "Certain People" to grasp..........

    > he could definitely be a virgin where women are concerned.

    > this 'ambiguety' of his sexual identity is a joke. i am all for
    > a person's right to keep his personal life personal, but, come
    > on, *look* at him in the '80s. that is not a straight person in
    > lipstick and eye shadow, whipping himself with tree branches.
    > and *listen* to his lyrics ('nature played a trick on me', 'now
    > you know the truth about me you won't see me anymore', 'if you
    > ever need self validation meet me in the alley by the railway
    > station', 'and in a darkened underpass i thought oh god my
    > chance has come at last', 'and everything depends upon how near
    > you stand to me', the list goes on and on and on and on....

    > it may be a bit vague, but it's definitely clear. straight
    > people do not have to hide their affection in darkened
    > underpasses and alleys.

    > i seriously doubt, however, that moz has ever seriously dated a
    > woman. he may relate to them, but he's not into them. that was
    > all marketing ( i work in marketing and p.r., i know how it
    > works), probably timed the the release of an album. when you're
    > pushing a record, there is no bad publicity.

    > benny
     
  15. Bertrand

    Bertrand Guest

    Re: a virgin to women

    > *look* at him in the '80s. that is not a straight person in
    > lipstick and eye shadow, whipping himself with tree branches.

    C'mon, what pop star didn't wear lipstick and eyeshadow in th '80s?!
     
  16. Bertrand

    Bertrand Guest

    Re: unvirgin

    > there are lots more that sound as if they're about men or his
    > dealing with his homosexuality: 'i am the son and heir of a
    > shyness that is CRIMINALLY vulgar', 'is it really so strange',
    > 'half a person', etc.

    Please, please someone explain to me how "How Soon is Now" and "Half a Person" are gay anthems! You've made up your mind, Benny, and refuse to look at things in any other way.

    > you neglected to comment on his nellie appearance. why are so
    > many of his fans young gay boys? it's pretty obvious. jake was
    > his boyfriend for years.

    I don't personally know any young gay boys. This is surprising to me after reading your post. I should know hordes, since I know a lot of Moz fans.
     
  17. Bertrand

    Bertrand Guest

    Re: BENNY & his non-believers

    > I agree with you all the way and believe what you've stated all
    > along. I've been a fan for years and years.... Some things are
    > quite evident when it comes to Moz. If ther're "not"
    > to you(Benny non-believers), then you're just dreaming.

    > I realize what PAID publicists put out about him and seen his
    > shows, read his interviews, listened to his records, read his
    > lyrics, etc.... Ever thought about it? If you "claim"
    > or infer being bi, you've just DOUBLED your "fan
    > base". It's so simple, yet so difficult for "Certain
    > People" to grasp..........

    I believe in what Moz says. If he is as conniving and manipulative as you and Benny think, then I couldn't be a fan.

    Morrissey is not a gay or bi- icon. He transcends all that and talks to all of us who have ever felt different. When are you going to get this into your heads?
     
  18. Bertrand

    Bertrand Guest

    Great post, Cili! (nm)

    > I think it's important to keep an open mind and not jump to
    > conclusions too quickly. Morrissey has said many times both
    > implicitly and explicitly that he was opposed to the
    > well-defined borders separating male and female behaviour. Sure,
    > if looking at Morrissey, you only have homo or heterosexuality
    > as choices, it would make sense to choose homosexuality. But the
    > world is larger than that; so too should your mind be. There are
    > many more colours than just black and white.

    > You saw a man in eye shadow and lipstick and you call him gay. I
    > see a man (whose sexuality I'm just not sure of) who's trying to
    > make a public statement. I saw him wearing a hearing-aid, but I
    > never thought he was deaf. He's definitely effeminate, but does
    > that mean he likes having sex with men?

    > Again, those lyrics can mean anything depending upon how large
    > your palette is.

    > As far as those above quotes go, I feel that even a person who
    > sees only in black and white would be hard pressed to determine
    > that there are homosexual undertones present.

    > From a lyrical standpoint, I think it's a lot vague and very
    > unclear. If it were very clear, he'd be Brett Anderson (and even
    > he's not gay). As far as the "straight people do not have
    > to hide their love" bit, I think you definitely need to
    > widen your horizons a bit darling.

    > That is one of the most presumptuous presumptions I've ever
    > read! But I do that too so...

    > I take it back. THAT was the most presumptuous.

    > Aha! That explains everything. Every public relations person
    > I've ever known has had this terrible way of sectioning and
    > labeling human beings, never allowing people to cross lines. And
    > if they do, they're immediately segregated and labeled!

    > It doesn't sound like you have any belief in art, artistic
    > merit, or personalities at all! Not all public behaviour is
    > public relations. Kula Shaker may have an image consultant, but
    > I sincerely doubt that Morrissey or the boys did.

    > Mmm, I'll bet you do. :p

    > You should quit your job immediately. It's totally killing your
    > spirit.
     
  19. Fabricio

    Fabricio Guest

    Re: You are? --Just kidding.

    Great post, Cili.

    And a great photo too!

    > I think it's important to keep an open mind and not jump to
    > conclusions too quickly. Morrissey has said many times both
    > implicitly and explicitly that he was opposed to the
    > well-defined borders separating male and female behaviour. Sure,
    > if looking at Morrissey, you only have homo or heterosexuality
    > as choices, it would make sense to choose homosexuality. But the
    > world is larger than that; so too should your mind be. There are
    > many more colours than just black and white.

    > You saw a man in eye shadow and lipstick and you call him gay. I
    > see a man (whose sexuality I'm just not sure of) who's trying to
    > make a public statement. I saw him wearing a hearing-aid, but I
    > never thought he was deaf. He's definitely effeminate, but does
    > that mean he likes having sex with men?

    > Again, those lyrics can mean anything depending upon how large
    > your palette is.

    > As far as those above quotes go, I feel that even a person who
    > sees only in black and white would be hard pressed to determine
    > that there are homosexual undertones present.

    > From a lyrical standpoint, I think it's a lot vague and very
    > unclear. If it were very clear, he'd be Brett Anderson (and even
    > he's not gay). As far as the "straight people do not have
    > to hide their love" bit, I think you definitely need to
    > widen your horizons a bit darling.

    > That is one of the most presumptuous presumptions I've ever
    > read! But I do that too so...

    > I take it back. THAT was the most presumptuous.

    > Aha! That explains everything. Every public relations person
    > I've ever known has had this terrible way of sectioning and
    > labeling human beings, never allowing people to cross lines. And
    > if they do, they're immediately segregated and labeled!

    > It doesn't sound like you have any belief in art, artistic
    > merit, or personalities at all! Not all public behaviour is
    > public relations. Kula Shaker may have an image consultant, but
    > I sincerely doubt that Morrissey or the boys did.

    > Mmm, I'll bet you do. :p

    > You should quit your job immediately. It's totally killing your
    > spirit.




    a gift to ~~ suzanne~~
     
  20. Ohhh...c'mon, Cili. (nm)

    > I think it's important to keep an open mind and not jump to
    > conclusions too quickly. Morrissey has said many times both
    > implicitly and explicitly that he was opposed to the
    > well-defined borders separating male and female behaviour. Sure,
    > if looking at Morrissey, you only have homo or heterosexuality
    > as choices, it would make sense to choose homosexuality. But the
    > world is larger than that; so too should your mind be. There are
    > many more colours than just black and white.

    > You saw a man in eye shadow and lipstick and you call him gay. I
    > see a man (whose sexuality I'm just not sure of) who's trying to
    > make a public statement. I saw him wearing a hearing-aid, but I
    > never thought he was deaf. He's definitely effeminate, but does
    > that mean he likes having sex with men?

    > Again, those lyrics can mean anything depending upon how large
    > your palette is.

    > As far as those above quotes go, I feel that even a person who
    > sees only in black and white would be hard pressed to determine
    > that there are homosexual undertones present.

    > From a lyrical standpoint, I think it's a lot vague and very
    > unclear. If it were very clear, he'd be Brett Anderson (and even
    > he's not gay). As far as the "straight people do not have
    > to hide their love" bit, I think you definitely need to
    > widen your horizons a bit darling.

    > That is one of the most presumptuous presumptions I've ever
    > read! But I do that too so...

    > I take it back. THAT was the most presumptuous.

    > Aha! That explains everything. Every public relations person
    > I've ever known has had this terrible way of sectioning and
    > labeling human beings, never allowing people to cross lines. And
    > if they do, they're immediately segregated and labeled!

    > It doesn't sound like you have any belief in art, artistic
    > merit, or personalities at all! Not all public behaviour is
    > public relations. Kula Shaker may have an image consultant, but
    > I sincerely doubt that Morrissey or the boys did.

    > Mmm, I'll bet you do. :p

    > You should quit your job immediately. It's totally killing your
    > spirit.
     
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