What are peoples views on Vegetarianism, seriously?

[chica]

In case basic mental arithmetic escapes you, as well as basic english, such as knowing the meaning of 'natural', ask someone to have a look at the date of birth on my profile and get them to tell you my age. It's quite a bit older than fourteen.

*cough* Yes, and

http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=65382

 

[The Crime Of The Century!]

*cough* Yes, and

http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?t=65382

Aw shucks, I missed that completely. I wasn't on here on the day of my birthday. Thanks!

 

[chica]

We ate the whole cake without you

Never mind, next year

 

[CharethCutestory]

Aw shucks, I missed that completely. I wasn't on here on the day of my birthday. Thanks!

Those who can, teach!
Those who can't..... teach P.E.

 

[HIM]

In case basic mental arithmetic escapes you, as well as basic english, such as knowing the meaning of 'natural', ask someone to have a look at the date of birth on my profile and get them to tell you my age. It's quite a bit older than fourteen.

i really wasn't sufficiently interested in your profile to have a look at your age. it was your ostentatious expression of "difference" and "rebelliousness" that led me to believe you were an adolescent.

regarding my grasp of english, i think "Nightandday" has already dealt with that issue, ably. (for the purpose of clarity, my requests for you to explain the definition of words deployed by you, in your arguments, i was seeking for you to elucidate your arguments, in order that they might might be properly tested. you obvoiusly had/have difficulty with that.)

I have a couple of tattoos but no piercings. This means what? That therfore I conform to societal norms and I am, at the end of the day, just like everyone else?

how did i guess?

Like most humans, you are clearly guilty of judging on the outer rather than inner, the appearance rather than the substance. A person's individuality is not gauged in terms of what they wear, or adorn themself with, or what colour of hair they have. Their individuality is determined by how they live their life, their social and political beliefs, their attitudes, opinions, behaviours and practices.

that's pretty heavy shit; you're one deep morrissey fan. you are, however, delusional (in more ways than one)

[...] nor do I have any tattoos which read 'f*** conformity' or any other such infantile rendering. [...].

c'mon, you're just telling fibs, now, aren't ya?

If you find this a source of mockery, I pity you. When I was 14, I used to ridicule people who had minority views, too. Then I grew up.

i defy you to produce any quotation in any of my posts, in this thread, where i've mocked anybody, on the basis that they held views peculiar to a minority. frankly, however, anybody who would proclaim their "disdain" for society deserves to be mocked and ridiculed. (incidentally, you didn't answer me, does the "world make [you] puke"?)

Neither are my beliefs [original], admittedly, but they're certainly a lot fresher and more innovative that being a carnivore, which has been in place since the dawn of mankind.[...].

that's a quite significant concession from somebody who is so determinedly and characteristically not a cliche. don't sell yourself short!


i'm off home, now (i'll continue, tomorrow). speak to ya, tomorrow.

love ya xxx

HIM

 

[The Crime Of The Century!]

i really wasn't sufficiently interested in your profile to have a look at your age. it was your ostentatious expression of "difference" and "rebelliousness" that led me to believe you were an adolescent.

regarding my grasp of english, i think "Nightandday" has already dealt with that issue, ably. (for the purpose of clarity, my requests for you to explain the definition of words deployed by you, in your arguments, i was seeking for you to elucidate your arguments, in order that they might might be properly tested. you obvoiusly had/have difficulty with that.)







how did i guess?




that's pretty heavy shit; you're one deep morrissey fan. you are, however, delusional (in more ways than one)



c'mon, you're just telling fibs, now, aren't ya?




i defy you to produce any quotation in any of my posts, in this thread, where i've mocked anybody, on the basis that they held views peculiar to a minority. frankly, however, anybody who would proclaim their "disdain" for society deserves to be mocked and ridiculed. (incidentally, you didn't answer me, does the "world make [you] puke"?)





that's a quite significant concession from somebody who is so determinedly and characteristically not a cliche. don't sell yourself short!


i'm off home, now (i'll continue, tomorrow). speak to ya, tomorrow.

love ya xxx

HIM

Oh, come on! Is that all you've got? Is that weak, lame, consistently cringe-inducing attempt at humour really all you've got to hit me with? And there was me starting to feel genuinely sympathetic towards you... Better luck next time.

And by the way, I didn't proclaim my disdain for society, I proclaimed my disdain for the majority. Please explain to me why this means I deserve to be mocked and ridiculed. If you can do it without resorting to tedious sarcasm you get an extra ten points.

I don't ever recall the world making me feel nauseous, but it has been known to provoke a myriad of other reactions in me, none of them particularly positive. Is that okay with you, or would you like me to sing a gospel song about how we're all God's chillun' and can't we all just get along? If you want to keep this debate going, please don't waste my time with bullshit and arsey digs at Morrissey lyrics. It's been done to death already.

 

[The Crime Of The Century!]

Those who can, teach!
Those who can't..... teach P.E.

Explain to me what this has to do with me.

 

[CharethCutestory]

Oh, come on! Is that all you've got? Is that weak, lame, consistently cringe-inducing attempt at humour really all you've got to hit me with? And there was me starting to feel genuinely sympathetic towards you... Better luck next time.

And by the way, I didn't proclaim my disdain for society, I proclaimed my disdain for the majority. Please explain to me why this means I deserve to be mocked and ridiculed. If you can do it without resorting to tedious sarcasm you get an extra ten points.

I don't ever recall the world making me feel nauseous, but it has been known to provoke a myriad of other reactions in me, none of them particularly positive. Is that okay with you, or would you like me to sing a gospel song about how we're all God's chillun' and can't we all just get along? If you want to keep this debate going, please don't waste my time with bullshit and arsey digs at Morrissey lyrics. It's been done to death already.

I thought HIM's post's were very funny.

Just so we have a balance of opinions.

 

[CharethCutestory]

Explain to me what this has to do with me.

Well, I saw on your profile that you're a "fitness trainer", it was a pun on the "Those who can..... teach" TV adverts. I was implying that you were a PE teacher.

I'll be honest, it was pretty churlish of me.

 

[The Crime Of The Century!]

Well, I saw on your profile that you're a "fitness trainer", it was a pun on the "Those who can..... teach" TV adverts. I was implying that you were a PE teacher.

I'll be honest, it was pretty churlish of me.

I'm not bothered. A fitness instructor is not a P.E. teacher. I'm paid better, for starters.

 

[CharethCutestory]

I'm paid better, for starters.

Way to rage against the corporate machine.

 

[The Crime Of The Century!]

Way to rage against the corporate machine.

Who said I worked for a corporation?

 

[CharethCutestory]

Who said I worked for a corporation?

A very good point, my mistake, I apologise.

What I meant to say was -

Way to rage against the capitalist machine.

Sorry for any confusion caused.

 

[The Crime Of The Century!]

A very good point, my mistake, I apologise.

What I meant to say was -

Way to rage against the capitalist machine.

Sorry for any confusion caused.

And how is encouraging people to be healthy endorsing capitalism? Or should I do it for free, is that what you meant? Sorry, but this is a capitalist society, and whilst it remains so, I have to work with capital, just like any other human being. That's not an endorsement of capitalism in any way, shape or form.

 

[CharethCutestory]

And how is encouraging people to be healthy endorsing capitalism? Or should I do it for free, is that what you meant? Sorry, but this is a capitalist society, and whilst it remains so, I have to work with capital, just like any other human being. That's not an endorsement of capitalism in any way, shape or form.

You misunderstand me, I was just saying that you come across as being anti-capitalism and yet you seemed to imply that what you do for a living is in some way "better" than what a P.E teacher does simply because you get paid more. It just seemed to contradict pretty much everything you've ever said on here before. Sorry if I got it wrong and really you love capitalism...... I know I do, that's what got me a Denon stereo and fnck off TV.

 

[The Crime Of The Century!]

You misunderstand me, I was just saying that you come across as being anti-capitalism and yet you seemed to imply that what you do for a living is in some way "better" than what a P.E teacher does simply because you get paid more. It just seemed to contradict pretty much everything you've ever said on here before. Sorry if I got it wrong and really you love capitalism...... I know I do, that's what got me a Denon stereo and fnck off TV.

Fnck off? Hmm, it's not a brand I'm familiar with. I never implied that I was better than a P.E. teacher because I'm paid more. If you go back and re-read the post you'll notice that I was saying that there is a difference in salary between the two jobs. And I never once condemned capitalism on this thread, either. So uh... what are you basing your arguments on, exactly?

 

[CharethCutestory]

Fnck off? Hmm, it's not a brand I'm familiar with. I never implied that I was better than a P.E. teacher because I'm paid more. If you go back and re-read the post you'll notice that I was saying that there is a difference in salary between the two jobs. And I never once condemned capitalism on this thread, either. So uh... what are you basing your arguments on, exactly?

Are you an advocate of Capitalism then?

 

[HIM]

Oh, come on! Is that all you've got? Is that weak, lame, consistently cringe-inducing attempt at humour really all you've got to hit me with?.

it's not, really, a substantive rebuttal, now, is it?

[...] I proclaimed my disdain for the majority. Please explain to me why this means I deserve to be mocked and ridiculed. If you can do it without resorting to tedious sarcasm you get an extra ten points. [emphasis added]

were you intending to be ironic, here? (on the substance of your query, more later!)

If you want to keep this debate going, please don't waste my time with bullshit and arsey digs at Morrissey lyrics. [...]

i concede that you have the moral high ground, here, so... i'm sorry. you'll get no more heresy from me. (although, i was actually making fun of you rather than The Great One; at least he can make a living from being banal)


anyway, how are you, this morning? working up a sweat?

 

[HIM]

That's because they have no assertions to make, they're simply living their lives on primitive, in-built instinct. [...]

for the most part, human beings proceed through their everyday lives - and for the duration of their lives - on the basis of the cultures/subcultures into which they have been socialised. "primitive, in-built instinct" – limited, as it is, in human beings - is almost entirely irrelevant.

They [ie. the, supposedly, unenlightened and apathetic majority] challenge nothing[…][emphasis added]

again, i'd suggest that, perhaps, you're making a generalisation, here, primarily, to flatter your own self-image, rather than accurately reflecting the reality of the social world. belonging to a very well established subculture - maintained, in no small part, by a lucrative industry - doesn't render you "challenging" to wider society, or "the majority" of those who participate in it.

you - like everyone else - are a target market.

I speak of actions.

you really are quite the rhetoritician! ...and so "feisty", too!

[...] I'm not arguing in terms of appearance, either, because a teenager in a 'Korn' hoodie is just as pathetic as a trendy who visits the shops every week to buy clothes which some megabucks fashion CEO says are fashionable. [...] [emphasis added]

what about those who pay a fee to attend gymnasia and who receive instruction on how to make their respective bodies look a particular way, through fear of being ostracised, denigrated or mocked because their appearance does not conform to a particular body image (i.e. one which has been elevated and promoted as desirable by very profitable industries)? are these people "pathetic", also?

how about those who profit from those industries: are they "pathetic", or are they rational, calculating, self-serving parasites?

[...] Do you have any comprehension of how difficult life is for someone who spends their life in the public eye, voicing opinions on animals rights which get him despised by the majority?[...]

(correct me if i'm wrong, but) you seem to be making an assertion, here, rather than asking a question. if i understand you correctly, you seem to be implying that steve's life is one of unendurable hardship as a consequence of his being "despised" by "the majority" and that this situation arises because of his tireless efforts on behalf of the little animals. if this is what you're trying to say, then i really do despair.

firstly, i can't imagine that "the majority" really gives a collective toss about what steve thinks about animals and their "rights". secondly, he's a fairly well-heeled bloke whose bank balance doesn't seem to have been too significantly depleted by his opinion on the subject of animal welfare. thirdly, steve has probably been shown more admiration/love/lust, during the course of his career, than most people will ever know. in short, he doesn't seem to be doing too badly, in spite of it all.

[...] Do you, for one single second, think it is easy for an individual to a live a life which is 100% devoted to a minority cause, facing one life-long uphill struggle [...]?

ah, you'd bring a tear to a glass eye.

i really feel for you!

neither you nor steve "live a life which is 100% devoted" to your chosen "cause"; another little rhetorical flourish, perchance?

however, yes, i do know what it is like to do/say things that are unpopular and to do so consistently. i do know what it is like to be engaged in political action, in opposition to values and practices which predominate in wider society. it is tiring, time-consuming, and frustrating (to say the least), but it isn't like working down a coal mine or digging holes in the road, from morning 'til night, in all weathers. it isn't pointless, soul-destroying, alienating toil, without end, so spare me the story of your hardship.

[...] If you do not believe passionately in any neglected causes, then what have you got to strive for?[...]

simply because i'm not vegetarian doesn't mean i'm not "passionate" about "neglected causes".

i'm sure i'm as "worthy" as you are ostentatious.

[...] spouting faux-sociological pap and attempting to assume the sneering tone of a young, naive sociology student does not mean you have any greater an understanding of cultures and subcultures than I do.[...]

aaaaahhh... now i see!

can you enlighten me about the "faux-sociological" nature of anything i've written. while awaiting your edifying response, i'll have a word with the boss and draft my resignation letter, in deference to your wisdom; i'm sure you can show me - in very precise terms - where, and how, i have erred.

[...] You're being guided by man-made logic, which isn't even logic at all, instead of doing the one thing which so many humans aren't very good at doing: listening to your heart/inner conscience.[...]

you're so very zen; i do envy you.

[...]I listen to a wide variety of music from bands and artists signed to both major and independent labels. Rage Against the machine are [...] one of the bands I enjoy.

i f***ing knew it!

[...]You are doing what most people are very guilty of doing: judging conformity/non-comformity in shallow terms. [...]

i'm not judging, either, conformity or non-conformity, y'silly moo; i'm judging you!


can we hook up, some time? you sound nice!!!!


HIM xxx

 

[The Crime Of The Century!]

can we hook up, some time? you sound nice!!!!
HIM xxx

I'd rather marry a shop dummy. Lord knows it would probably be less obtuse, argumentitive, infuriating and deliberately facetious. It's a pity you hadn't lived about fifty-odd years ago. Ed Gein could have fashioned a superb ashtray from your unfeasibly thick cranium.