Warsaw - Stodola (Nov. 19, 2014) post-show

Anonymous · Nov 21, 2014

What shocked me the most in the video is the band's attitude, acting like some milicians looking after the guilty, protecting their master's caprice. RIDICULOUS. Is this a concert or some kind of school playground ?

So, Morrissey has some sensibility. I also have. So does my little sister and even my butcher. The difference between these people and Morrissey is (should be) his ability to express sensibility into art, on a record or on stage.
But if Morrissey can’t do the job, he shouldn’t sell ticket concerts – especially in Poland where 150 zlotys is a lot of money, considering the standard of living.
I'll be in Krakow's show tonight.

Anonymous · Nov 21, 2014

Dublinfan said:
I've studied the clip now a few times and his attitude and expression changed a few secs before 'Trafford' is heard. I think 'suck it' shouted loudly, caused his upset which was must have been taken a a homophobic insult. I thought this was quite clear.. Anyone with me on this?

I wonder where the Daily Mail got the cancer reference? Assuming the camera picked up the sounds around it or the loudest sounds, there could have been something nearer the front which the camera didn't pick up but which Morrissey himself heard clearly. He winces as if almost in physical pain at whatever it is he hears. Hard to watch as he looks confused and sad.

Anonymous · Nov 21, 2014

some dude - (sounds like) "Suck it!"
Moz - Well, do you mind.." (no reaction to suck it, wipes sweat from eyes)
(audience - noooo!)
some dude - "We miss you in Trufford!"
(some of the audience laughs, Jessie looks pissed)
Moz -"Well..is that funny?"
some lady - "Just speak Morrissey, just speak."
Moz - "That wasn't very nice."
some lady - "Trufford loves you."
some dude - We miss you in Old Trufford!"

Why is Moz so anti-Trufford? And why are all these c***s coming from Trufford? And why would that be enough to derail a show? Very weird.

marred · Nov 21, 2014

Who the f*** gives a shit about old trafford anyway? He really doesn't give a shit where you're from. Just shut the f*** up and listen. People didn't buy tickets to listen to you, whoever you are... dick.

Belligerent Ghoul · Nov 21, 2014

Anonymous said:
You people who went to the Warsaw concert should be proud to be a part of something extraordinary. This is a gig to be long remembered. No other show of his tour has gained 16 pages of comments here.

Correct.

related:

http://www.morrissey-solo.com/threads/104846-Liverpool-Moz-walks-off-stage

Anonymous · Nov 21, 2014

Anyone supporting Morrissey`s reaction is beyond help. His behaviour is 200% ridiculous.

Anonymous · Nov 21, 2014

Detritus said:
I'm seeing reports that the heckler shouted, "Don't talk, just sing!" and/or "We miss you in Old Trafford," which Morrissey mistook as a disparaging remark.

As clarified by the footage posted on youtube.

Mystery solved.

Anonymous · Nov 21, 2014

I have spent my whole life in ruin/because of people who were not very nice

Mauricey · Nov 21, 2014

Watched the clip.

8:57 - Moz "...if you don't mind?"

9:00 - Male voice from audience "Suck it!"

9:01 - No reaction from Moz. He continues, "Do you mind?"

9:04 - Crowd cheering "No!!"
Male voice shouts something. THIS is the offending remark, Moz reacts immediately.
To me it sounds like he says "You're gonna try in Trafford!", possibly "You're gonna die in Trafford!". At first I thought he was shouting "traffic" but I think it is Trafford.

9:06 - Girl shouts "There is a light" but Moz is reacting to previous comment

9:08 - Moz "No.. is that funny?"

9:15 - Audience shouting various comments, "Trafford loves you!", "We miss you in Old Trafford", "We love you" etc etc

But the damage is done at 9:04

Moz is definitely reacting to "You're gonna ****** in Trafford" but I can't hear exactly what that word is. Anyone with sharper ears than I hear what is said?

Anonymous · Nov 21, 2014

As usual the roadies are scottish and they are wearing Hearts club logo polo tops.

Anonymous · Nov 21, 2014

Mauricey said:
Watched the clip.

8:57 - Moz "...if you don't mind?"

9:00 - Male voice from audience "Suck it!"

9:01 - No reaction from Moz. He continues, "Do you mind?"

9:04 - Crowd cheering "No!!"
Male voice shouts something. THIS is the offending remark, Moz reacts immediately.
To me it sounds like he says "You're gonna try in Trafford!", possibly "You're gonna die in Trafford!". At first I thought he was shouting "traffic" but I think it is Trafford.

9:06 - Girl shouts "There is a light" but Moz is reacting to previous comment

9:08 - Moz "No.. is that funny?"

9:15 - Audience shouting various comments, "Trafford loves you!", "We miss you in Old Trafford", "We love you" etc etc

But the damage is done at 9:04

Moz is definitely reacting to "You're gonna ****** in Trafford" but I can't hear exactly what that word is. Anyone with sharper ears than I hear what is said?

Whatever he says, a woman replies "No, he's all right." and someone else laughs.

Agamemnon · Nov 21, 2014

Bluebirds said:
Uncleskinny said:

I'm genuinely interested in any other artist who has walked off/cancelled as often as Morrissey has. For whatever reason. Who comes close or beats his record?
P.

Click to expand...

Michael Jackson didn't turn up for his 50 date This Is It O2 residency

Yeah he didn't 'turn up', cause he was kinda... dead.
What a diva, right? to use his death as an excuse not to do a series of concerts...

Sambantam82 · Nov 21, 2014

Here is my take...

Morrissey hears the 'Trafford' comment. I believe it was something positive that was misheard by Morrissey. I don't know what he heard but nothing offensive was said. This clearly irritated him as he said 'is that funny?' and then he reacted again to a separate comment 'just say it' by saying 'that's not very nice'. I think the 'just say it' comment was a 'just ignore them' plea rather than a 'hurry up' demand!

One thing I wish had happened is that someone in the crowd would have had the bottle to say to the band during the witch hunt 'tell us what he heard that upset him and we will find the person who said it'. I honestly don't think Morrissey would have been able to answer that one. Maybe he's not well, maybe there is something he just couldn't deal with.

Anonymous · Nov 21, 2014

Mauricey said:
Watched the clip.

8:57 - Moz "...if you don't mind?"

9:00 - Male voice from audience "Suck it!"

9:01 - No reaction from Moz. He continues, "Do you mind?"

9:04 - Crowd cheering "No!!"
Male voice shouts something. THIS is the offending remark, Moz reacts immediately.
To me it sounds like he says "You're gonna try in Trafford!", possibly "You're gonna die in Trafford!". At first I thought he was shouting "traffic" but I think it is Trafford.

9:06 - Girl shouts "There is a light" but Moz is reacting to previous comment

9:08 - Moz "No.. is that funny?"

9:15 - Audience shouting various comments, "Trafford loves you!", "We miss you in Old Trafford", "We love you" etc etc

But the damage is done at 9:04

Moz is definitely reacting to "You're gonna ****** in Trafford" but I can't hear exactly what that word is. Anyone with sharper ears than I hear what is said?

8:59 someone says ''f*** off'' ?

Anonymous · Nov 21, 2014

Anonymous said:
At the 9 minute 04 mark, someone shouts "Give it to him Trafford", which as a Morrissey explained on Twitter on Wednesday evening, he heard it as "Give it to him fluffier", which, understandably, he found offensive.

The stage is Morrissey's home; the one place where he feels safe and loved. As soon as he feels unloved and unsafe in his home, the concert is over. The good news is, today is a new day, and tonight Morrissey will once again feel safe and loved at home on a stage in Kraków. There is no reason to believe anything will happen to ruin this safety, and I even have a feeling that Moz might accept and wear a blue rose tonight, because despite what the masses believe, Morrissey loves the Blue arose Society, hence the reason he has accepted and worn a blue rose on every tour in the past two years - this isn't the thought of a fantasist, this is fact; see here: BlueRoseSociety.blogspot.com.

Morrissey is loved. Let's keep him safe.

If he is so concerned about safety and kindness YOU DOUCHEBAGS who lifted the blue rose idea from someone else then were not nice to that person are full of it . You keep on spreading your lies just for the sake of your own ego.It's OK to make him feel loved and safe then it's apparently OK to make others feel like crap if you have milked them for things that help support your own cause. You're AWFUL. I hope nobody pays attention to your shit. The way you treat people sucks. A person who LOST THEIR HOME is the one you stole that crap from but there isn't much empathy for others I suppose it is easy for you to trample people who are not well off.

Anonymous · Nov 21, 2014

I don't think he yells 'suck it' but 'siNNGG' it in a strong Northern accent with heavy stress on the end of the word

CrystalGeezer · Nov 21, 2014

Mauricey said:
Watched the clip.

8:57 - Moz "...if you don't mind?"

9:00 - Male voice from audience "Suck it!"

9:01 - No reaction from Moz. He continues, "Do you mind?"

9:04 - Crowd cheering "No!!"
Male voice shouts something. THIS is the offending remark, Moz reacts immediately.
To me it sounds like he says "You're gonna try in Trafford!", possibly "You're gonna die in Trafford!". At first I thought he was shouting "traffic" but I think it is Trafford.

9:06 - Girl shouts "There is a light" but Moz is reacting to previous comment

9:08 - Moz "No.. is that funny?"

9:15 - Audience shouting various comments, "Trafford loves you!", "We miss you in Old Trafford", "We love you" etc etc

But the damage is done at 9:04

Moz is definitely reacting to "You're gonna ****** in Trafford" but I can't hear exactly what that word is. Anyone with sharper ears than I hear what is said?

I agree with this timeline. I also hear die in traffic too. Maybe head split three ways was imagery bugging him if he heard traffic?

bhops · Nov 21, 2014

I'm not sure why Moz felt unsafe as far as I could tell the crowd looked half asleep.

Anonymous · Nov 21, 2014

"you're gonna die in traffic" unpleasant as it is, is a threat, but nothing "chauvinistic". As far as I understand this word, it's an old fashioned equivalent of "sexist" but I guess it can contain all types of "hate speech", but not common threats.

Anonymous · Nov 21, 2014

I definitely hear "You're gonna die in Trafford!" (or possibly "traffic"). Which could be interpreted as a death threat, thus the reason given that Moz didn't feel safe. If not "die" then what can the word be? "You're gonna die in Trafford/Traffic"? Or "You're going down in Trafford"? Also - the man shouting sounds rather angry. Another thing is when Morrissey asks "Is that funny?" someone in the crowd answers "No, not funny" so it would seem at least one other person heard the insult.

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