TTY: Universal Music, the approach made to David Joseph, since denied by David Joseph

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By hand in glove on Nov 26, 2015 at 7:43 AM
  1. hand in glove

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    Apr 26, 2000
    Universal Music, the approach made to David Joseph, since denied by David Joseph -
    25 November 2015

    On 18 Nov 2015, at 15:29, Boz Boorer -------------------- wrote:

    Dear David,

    My name is Boz Boorer and I represent all of the musicians who played

    We are shocked that you have made no move this week to promote the
    above song (download/special 7-inch/special CD) to support the people
    of Paris. Any other artist would be number 1 with this song RIGHT NOW.

    Why are you doing nothing? There is no other song in modern music that
    aptly supports the people of Paris.

    Most sincerely yours




    From: John Reid --------------------
    Date: November 19, 2015 at 6:39:51 PM GMT-2
    To: Boz Boorer --------------------
    Subject: Re: Paris

    Dear Boz

    Thank you for copying your email to me.

    I think we all know that this would be an appropriate and compelling gesture.

    I spoke with David Joseph today. His position is that owing to Universal having a very close connection to the events, much as they see your point, they are not intending to release any records in response to the tragic events of last Friday. They feel it is too raw for them given the death of one of their staff members and instead they are going to show support and solidarity in other ways, including concerts in Paris later this year by some of their artists.

    However, I believe that Universal would licence the song back for eg a release for proceeds to relevant charities (which I assume would be the plan). In short there may be a possibility here but it would have to be a release via a third party. Personally I think there could be a very forceful statement to be made. It will of course require M's input. Have you discussed this with him - I assume so.

    If you want me to pursue this, please let me know. Time inevitably is of the essence.

    Yours sincerely


    John Reid
    Russells Solicitors

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    1. Anonymous
      Yeah and the video could be of the Smiths playing How Soon Is Now? on Top of the Pops with Morrissey machine gunning the audience.
    2. Uncleskinny
      There's a point here missed by a lot of commentators. The dialogue between the Moz camp and Universal is being carried out through a solicitor . Can you even believe a solicitor is being paid to do this because Morrissey can't face to do it person to person ? And even then through Boz? Reminds me of the story about Ivor Perry being booted via Mike Joyce. Morrissey cannot bear to meet anyone face to face, and as his royalties buy him luxuries, he can pay others to do his bidding. But oh, the squalor of the mind.
    3. Oh my god. it's Robby!
      Oh my god. it's Robby!
      Sh*t man, it's the scum around him, I gotta believe that:blushing:
    4. Anonymous
      Yeah, how could we miss that? And who do you think approached record companies for Johnny Marr? Johnny himself or Joe Moss?
    5. Uncleskinny
      Every single fucking time you are here, a teutonic dolt , riding in, doing your very best indeed to defend the indefensible. Why not log in? Scared of something?
    6. AgathaC
      Morrissey is the most interesting man on the planet, everyone else is so damn prediictable.
    7. Anonymous
      Where did I defend anybody? I think this whole episode is very sad and absolutely uncalled for BUT that requests and business dealings are not made by artists themselves is hardly unique to Moz. There are enough other things to criticize.
    8. Anonymous
      I think the solicitor, on reading Boz's email, probably replied "In the name of Jesus, please let me handle this".
    9. Anonymous
      Please help the cause against terrorists
      Would you like to buy my reissued single (download/special 7-inch/special CD)?

      I don't mind what time you get killed
      If it's the weekend then you just might all drop dead
      I want a number one
      I really want a number one oh-oh
    10. Uncleskinny
    11. A Man Escaped
      A Man Escaped
      Yeah, but most of us have a record deal.
    12. Harsh Truth
      Harsh Truth
      They key statement here is "Any other artist would be number 1 with this song RIGHT NOW."

      Moz just wants to top the charts, even if it takes the blood of 130 terrorism victims to get there.
    13. Anonymous
      Let's just keep an eye on the New Years honours list, if Benny can get all this wrapped up in the debunking bag pretty soon he may just be getting that knighthood giving him the title of Sir Benny. Good luck to him his commitment is a credit to him.

      Pony the Tony
    14. Detritus
      I agree with the thoughts expressed by hand in glove, Harsh Truth, Irregular Regular and others. Instead of exposing the supposed villainy of Universal, all this back and forth has really done is make Morrissey and co. seem petty and opportunistic. With every installment of this ridiculous feud, the supposed altruistic nature of Morrissey's intentions grows increasingly dubious. The letter from Reid plainly states Universal would likely be willing to license the song back to Morrissey for re-release through a third party with proceeds going to relevant charities. This may not be what Morrissey originally had in mind, but it is in no way a denial. I struggle to think why this option wouldn't be good enough and worth pursuing for someone genuinely interested in paying a tribute to the victims of the attacks in Paris. He used a third party, Atom Factory, to release the Kiss Me a Lot single. What's the problem now? And why the peculiar emphasis on chart position in the original letter?

      Maybe more letters will materialize, letters in which a Universal spokesperson explicitly denies any kind of release or licensing to Morrissey, but these letters don't incriminate Universal, they help their case. Morrissey, on the other hand, continues to dig himself deeper, as we now have two instances of Universal apparently offering to release the single that have gone ignored in favor of drumming up controversy with a needless smear campaign, capitalizing on a tragedy to do so.
      Last edited: Nov 26, 2015
    15. Ben Budd
      Ben Budd
      I like the fact that, of the five musicians listed in Boz's original email, two of them didn't actually play "...Paris".
    16. Anonymous
      I think you should concentrate on things that aren't so beyond you - how about you trot off and ask your mate Dale Hibernate to give you some advice on cars. I hear yo've had your eye on a 1995 Nissan Micra. It's just a run-around.

      A little charmer
    17. Harsh Truth
      Harsh Truth
      And poor Boz getting dragged into this drama. You know he sent that email under direct orders of Morrissey.

      Forget about a record contract anytime soon. That goes without saying.
    18. AgathaC
    19. Anonymous

      Not to mention that Universal already controls about 12 years worth of his back catalog. Guess I shouldn't hold my breath for that Maladjusted vinyl reissue :(
    20. Harsh Truth
      Harsh Truth
      And furthermore, it's not as though "I'm Throwing My Arms Around Paris" is out-of-print, hard-to-find, rare, or otherwise deleted. If the song is such a perfect tribute, any radio station that wishes to play it is certainly free to do so. And then, any listeners moved by the song can obtain the song with about three clicks of a mouse.

      Of course, as pointed out many times before, the lyrics aren't exactly fitting for the situation. At. All.

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