Troy Tate Rehearsal (Pablo Cuckoo)

A nice little gem surfaced thirty years later, courtesy of bellapintura.

Here's one that you haven't heard before...

In May 1983 (exact date unknown), while preparing to record their first album, The Smiths ran through a selection of songs at a rehearsal in a room in manager Joe Moss' jeans warehouse. The tape was recorded for Troy Tate, in order to give him something to work with before going into the studio. It's pretty rough but considering it was only recorded on cassette with a stereo mic pointing into the room, the quality isn't too bad. Morrissey's vocals are a bit distorted - maybe singing too close to the mic or maybe the cassette mic was too close to the PA - but everything else is surprisingly clear. There is some tape flutter at various points.

I was lent the master cassette by a source close to the band who made the recording - let's call him Pablo Cuckoo - in 1997, with a view to trying to put it out as a semi official release, as it was recorded before the band had signed to Rough Trade, so technically he had the rights to the recording. But a combination of the poor sound quality and threats from Warner Bros, meant that the idea was shelved. The master cassette was transferred to DAT at that time but the DAT copy disappeared shortly afterwards. To my surprise it resurfaced a few weeks ago while I was going through some boxes of old tapes. The quality is a lot better than I'd remembered too!

I've done a little work on the overall sound but only on the EQ, no compression has been applied. There is a possibility that some noise reduction was done when it was first transferred to DAT as you would expect more tape hiss, but I can't be sure.

Anyway, it's a good listen and must be one of the earliest recordings of the band, certainly in a non concert setting. Sadly there isn't much between song chat, which could have been interesting...

Enjoy the tape and please circulate freely but don't charge for it!

The man from Hojo, 2013


http://www.smithstorrents.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4194

UPDATE Mar. 21:

The YouTube video was removed but was apparently restored following a dispute.

Link posted by an anonymous person:

Listen to The Smiths’ rare 1983 demo, The Pablo Cuckoo Tape - Consequence Of Sound

IndieCentExposureUK YouTube comment:

Warner have found this video and UMPG publishing. But I have disputed it because this was recorded before they were signed and by published by both companies

armadillo posted the link to the tracks on YouTube (original link removed, updated link below):




UPDATE Mar. 20:

Rare Smiths Demo From 1983 Unearthed - Rolling Stone

Excerpt:

Answering a few questions on Twitter about the recording, Joyce said he had no idea who found the recording, and when asked about the demo's sound quality wrote, "It was recorded on a cassette player lying on the floor in the rehearsal room." And as for the reason his drums are so in the foreground? "Oi! I'm just closer to the mic's than everyone else!"

Also a link from modrevolve:

Rare early demo from The Smiths emerges online – listen - NME.com

Excerpt:

When asked by former Oasis guitarist Bonehead who unearthed the tape, Joyce replied: "Not a clue. I thought I was the only one who kept all the old stuff, obviously not."

The demo is said to have been recorded at a rehearsal in band manager Joe Moss' jeans warehouse Crazy Face in Manchester. The aim was to give the album's original producer Troy Tate something to work on before going into the studio with the band. Tate was later replaced on production duties by John Porter.
 
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Anonymous said:
These are wonderful. Next up: hopefully someone coughs up "I Want a Boy for My Birthday."
Anonymous said:
I'd perfer Wolverhampton 88 myself!

Someone should start a campaign for BBC radio to open its vaults for the Hand In Glove anniversary.

Wonderful Woman Kid Jensen version.
Glasgow Queen Margaret Hall, 1984.
Saturday Live with Sandie Shaw.
 
What is Bonehead's connection or invlovement? Is he good friends with Joyce, or was he around in the demo days?

Went to have another listen to the session and it's been pulled from YouTube by Warners.
 
Can anyone send this to me? I registered for smithstorrents a while ago, and it says my account is still not activated.
I'm pretty sure I can't download any torrents there without an active account... I can't even see a way to download any while not logged in.

If anybody knows who can activate my account, my username there is "Bellmerian Love Doll", thanks.

EDIT: I found the sendspace link, but can someone still help me out with my ST account getting opened up? Thanks.
 
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Someone should start a campaign for BBC radio to open its vaults for the Hand In Glove anniversary.

Wonderful Woman Kid Jensen version.
Glasgow Queen Margaret Hall, 1984.
Saturday Live with Sandie Shaw.

Or the Morrissey peel sessions...
 
"armadillo posted the tracks on YouTube:"

I see the youtube post has been removed now. I should point out that, contrary to above statement, I didn't post the tracks onto youtube, I just searched "pablo cuckoo" on google and the post was on there already. I just posted the link to it on this forum.
 
What is Bonehead's connection or invlovement? Is he good friends with Joyce, or was he around in the demo days?

Went to have another listen to the session and it's been pulled from YouTube by Warners.

Bonehead has nothing to do with the leak. He asked Mike Joyce, via Twitter, whether he knew who had leaked it https://twitter.com/ParlourFlames/status/314086707228205058 Don't know if Mike and Bonehead are still close, but they used to drink together in a pub in Altrincham, there was talk of a band... but I don't think it ever came to anything.

Dave
 
Sorry for the incorrect credit, fixed now. I guess it doesn't matter now that the video has been taken down.

"armadillo posted the tracks on YouTube:"

I see the youtube post has been removed now. I should point out that, contrary to above statement, I didn't post the tracks onto youtube, I just searched "pablo cuckoo" on google and the post was on there already. I just posted the link to it on this forum.
 
Sorry for the incorrect credit, fixed now. I guess it doesn't matter now that the video has been taken down.

Which is why I say, "Enjoy it while it's there before some wanker complains and has it pulled." I'm just glad that HipsterDisco's other videos are still there. I'm also glad I listened to it last night before i went to bed!
 
I downloaded the YouTube video before it was taken down, and have converted the [.flv] file into a 128kbps [.mp3] file. If anybody would like the [.mp3] file, please let me know.
 
I downloaded the YouTube video before it was taken down, and have converted the [.flv] file into a 128kbps [.mp3] file. If anybody would like the [.mp3] file, please let me know.

Ooohh... you little charmer! I bid on an MP3 player on eBay just so I could get that bit! So when I get the MP3 player, I'll ring you up about the session....yippee!
 
I think I've enjoyed the production on this cassette practice tape better then that of the first record. :straightface:

I totally enjoyed it. It's like stepping into a time machine. Before they were known. When they were 4 guys taking over the world. *sigh*
 
Bonehead has nothing to do with the leak. He asked Mike Joyce, via Twitter, whether he knew who had leaked it https://twitter.com/ParlourFlames/status/314086707228205058 Don't know if Mike and Bonehead are still close, but they used to drink together in a pub in Altrincham, there was talk of a band... but I don't think it ever came to anything.

Dave

They were both in Vinny Peculiar's band c.2007. I remember seeing them, Miles Hunt (ex-Wonder Stuff) was the support and after he'd finished the packed Barfly venue emptied... there were about 20 people watching a band with the ex-drummer of the Smiths and the ex-Bonehead of Oasis in it. Quite surreal.
 
Hi everyone,

I made some high res artwork according to the one seen in the original You Tube video.
For those of you who still burn CDs (...i do...).
pablocuckoomini.jpg

pablocuckoominiback.jpg


I think the front sleeve design was originally made by Alf Button as a flyer for those "Malajusted" parties.

Download the files here (they remain 2 weeks on that site):
http://we.tl/viyZ2vBM4f

Enjoy.
 
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Hi everyone,

I made some high res artwork according to the one seen in the original You Tube video.
For those of you who still burn CDs (...i do...).
pablocuckoomini.jpg

pablocuckoominiback.jpg


I think the front sleeve design was originally made by Alf Button as a flyer for those "Malajusted" parties.

Download the files here (they remain 2 weeks on that site):
http://we.tl/viyZ2vBM4f

Enjoy.

Hi Mate,
These are beautiful.
Thanks!
 
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