Tommy Robinson admires Morrissey - interview

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Anonymous

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Fascinating to see you are litteraly incapable of thinking outside of your own propaganda. It's not only a difference of opinion here, it's the fact that you cannot accept the reality because it does not fit your "world view" (to use a nice word). You think mass immigration is great : great ! I think the opposite, but I don't deny your ability to
1) love the Smiths from day one (or day 24)
2) love Morrissey and his solo music
3) be a nice human being
whereas, as a self proclaimed anti mass-immigration man, I
1) am a fake fan pretending loving the Smiths from day one but in fact loving Spandeau Ballet
2) am not able and will never be able to really understand and love The Smiths
3) am a Nazi (but that goes without saying of course).

If you lefties / liberals on here were acting with a little care and thinking, maybe I could take some time to try to discuss with you the "Smiths were a gentle band with kind, compassionate lyrics" sentence of yours. It could be interesting: first "Hang the DJ" is not very kind and second being anti mass-immigration IS the compassionate and kind and gentle and humanist way of dealing with the world right now). But I know it will soon come to "racist cunt", "nazi", "shit stain" and "f*** off", so...
I think I speak for the majority when I say racist cunt, nazi, shit stain - f*** off! You're just another sad deluded dog whistler.
 
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Anonymous

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Well, where to start. Whether you know it or not, many people still do believe in racism and believe that one is superior to others. That much is quite clear to anyone paying attention.

While I agree that Stalinism (aka Marxism-Leninism) was an ideology that led to the deaths and persecutions of millions, orthodox Marxism (aka the thoughts of Marx and Engels themselves) itself isn't an inherently authoritarian or oppressive ideology, whereas racist ideologies tend to be. If you've read any Marx, you'll know that Marx advocated for a stateless, democratic society, not a totalitarian dictatorship by a few at the top, which would only maintain the status quo under a different guise.

Additionally, there even more libertarian strands of Marxism, such as anarcho-communism, libertarian communism, libertarian Marxism etc etc. Look even further, and you'll see that "leftist" ideology is this massive sprawling web of ideologies, including social democracy, Christian socialism, democratic socialism, libertarianism (the real kind, not the 20th century American kind), state socialism, orthodox Marxism, authoritarian communism, Trotskyism, Stalinism etc etc. There is no one single "Marxism" or socialism. The idea that "the left still flirts with Marxism" is nonsense. There isn't a singl, major "Marxist" party in the developed, democratic world right now.
How many died from 1919-1930 with this bullshit-ology?
 

StalinsPipe

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Fascinating to see you are litteraly incapable of thinking outside of your own propaganda. It's not only a difference of opinion here, it's the fact that you cannot accept the reality because it does not fit your "world view" (to use a nice word). You think mass immigration is great : great ! I think the opposite, but I don't deny your ability to
1) love the Smiths from day one (or day 24)
2) love Morrissey and his solo music
3) be a nice human being
whereas, as a self proclaimed anti mass-immigration man, I
1) am a fake fan pretending loving the Smiths from day one but in fact loving Spandeau Ballet
2) am not able and will never be able to really understand and love The Smiths
3) am a Nazi (but that goes without saying of course).

If you lefties / liberals on here were acting with a little care and thinking, maybe I could take some time to try to discuss with you the "Smiths were a gentle band with kind, compassionate lyrics" sentence of yours. It could be interesting: first "Hang the DJ" is not very kind and second being anti mass-immigration IS the compassionate and kind and gentle and humanist way of dealing with the world right now). But I know it will soon come to "racist cunt", "nazi", "shit stain" and "f*** off", so...

Listen, Farnaby, I believe in the Popper Paradox, which asserted that societies that tolerate the intolerant become less and less tolerant, as happened in Weimar Germany, and as is happening now in the UK and USA. Racist cunts like you have been allowed to flourish and propagate for too long.

As for calling you a Nazi, I didn't call you a Nazi. I said people who spout the myth of Cultural Marxism are literally spouting a post war version of the Nazi propaganda "Cultural Bolshevism" which was anti-Semitic in nature.
 
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Anonymous

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Fascinating to see you are litteraly incapable of thinking outside of your own propaganda. It's not only a difference of opinion here, it's the fact that you cannot accept the reality because it does not fit your "world view" (to use a nice word). You think mass immigration is great : great ! I think the opposite, but I don't deny your ability to
1) love the Smiths from day one (or day 24)
2) love Morrissey and his solo music
3) be a nice human being
whereas, as a self proclaimed anti mass-immigration man, I
1) am a fake fan pretending loving the Smiths from day one but in fact loving Spandeau Ballet
2) am not able and will never be able to really understand and love The Smiths
3) am a Nazi (but that goes without saying of course).

If you lefties / liberals on here were acting with a little care and thinking, maybe I could take some time to try to discuss with you the "Smiths were a gentle band with kind, compassionate lyrics" sentence of yours. It could be interesting: first "Hang the DJ" is not very kind and second being anti mass-immigration IS the compassionate and kind and gentle and humanist way of dealing with the world right now). But I know it will soon come to "racist cunt", "nazi", "shit stain" and "f*** off", so...
Dog whistler alert!
 
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Anonymous

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Listen, Farnaby, I believe in the Popper Paradox, which asserted that societies that tolerate the intolerant become less and less tolerant, as happened in Weimar Germany, and as is happening now in the UK and USA. Racist cunts like you have been allowed to flourish and propagate for too long.

As for calling you a Nazi, I didn't call you a Nazi. I said people who spout the myth of Cultural Marxism are literally spouting a post war version of the Nazi propaganda "Cultural Bolshevism" which was anti-Semitic in nature.
If Cultural Marxism is a myth why is it documented from the Frankfurt School and why does it pre-predict everything you say and do Stalin? That seems very real to me. Obviously it doesn't predict that you are 29, unemployed and live with your mum and 2 cats, and are officially King Sad of the Sad People but it predicts the other stuff.
 

Farnaby

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Listen, Farnaby, I believe in the Popper Paradox, which asserted that societies that tolerate the intolerant become less and less tolerant, as happened in Weimar Germany, and as is happening now in the UK and USA. Racist cunts like you have been allowed to flourish and propagate for too long.

As for calling you a Nazi, I didn't call you a Nazi. I said people who spout the myth of Cultural Marxism are literally spouting a post war version of the Nazi propaganda "Cultural Bolshevism" which was anti-Semitic in nature.
Not a word of response about my points, but the usual "racist cunt" terminology. Why am I not surprised ?

As for the Popper Paradox : I'm completely ok with it : that's precisely the reason I advocate for the return of intolerant islam in its lands. We should fight together against intolerant islam that want gays, whites, christians, jews and women dead, mute or controlled.
 

ForgotHowIGotMyName

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FAIL. Writing more pish isn't proof of anything. Cite your references.
OK, I'm not going to jump through a bunch of hoops for you. What specifically are you disputing the factual accuracy of? Are you saying that Jews were more oppressed in 1933-34 than I am saying or are you saying that blacks in the United States were less oppressed than I am saying?
 

Stephen Hofmann

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Listen, Farnaby, I believe in the Popper Paradox, which asserted that societies that tolerate the intolerant become less and less tolerant, as happened in Weimar Germany, and as is happening now in the UK and USA. Racist cunts like you have been allowed to flourish and propagate for too long.

As for calling you a Nazi, I didn't call you a Nazi. I said people who spout the myth of Cultural Marxism are literally spouting a post war version of the Nazi propaganda "Cultural Bolshevism" which was anti-Semitic in nature.
The UK is less tolerant but not for the left/progressives.........it's never been more beyond the pale.
 
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Anonymous

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At which point did I say I was anti-mass immigration?
That was a syllogism meant to reflect your thoughts, you spoon. Granted, Farnaby's wasn't a perfect execution... but it's devilishly painful to see you miss the mark so proudly.

You believe that it's okay to be intolerant of intolerance. Would you say that I'd be justified in being intolerant of you or anyone else who subscribes to Popper's theory?
If you're admitting to being intolerant, would you take issue with others being intolerant of you?
 

gashonthenail

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Well, where to start. Whether you know it or not, many people still do believe in racism and believe that one is superior to others. That much is quite clear to anyone paying attention.

While I agree that Stalinism (aka Marxism-Leninism) was an ideology that led to the deaths and persecutions of millions, orthodox Marxism (aka the thoughts of Marx and Engels themselves) itself isn't an inherently authoritarian or oppressive ideology, whereas racist ideologies tend to be. If you've read any Marx, you'll know that Marx advocated for a stateless, democratic society, not a totalitarian dictatorship by a few at the top, which would only maintain the status quo under a different guise.

Additionally, there even more libertarian strands of Marxism, such as anarcho-communism, libertarian communism, libertarian Marxism etc etc. Look even further, and you'll see that "leftist" ideology is this massive sprawling web of ideologies, including social democracy, Christian socialism, democratic socialism, libertarianism (the real kind, not the 20th century American kind), state socialism, orthodox Marxism, authoritarian communism, Trotskyism, Stalinism etc etc. There is no one single "Marxism" or socialism. The idea that "the left still flirts with Marxism" is nonsense. There isn't a singl, major "Marxist" party in the developed, democratic world right now.
You have made my point for me. Nor is everyone on the 'right' a Nazi. Nor is everyone who is not a fan of mass immigration 'racist'. Sauce for the goose...
Well, where to start. Whether you know it or not, many people still do believe in racism and believe that one is superior to others. That much is quite clear to anyone paying attention.

While I agree that Stalinism (aka Marxism-Leninism) was an ideology that led to the deaths and persecutions of millions, orthodox Marxism (aka the thoughts of Marx and Engels themselves) itself isn't an inherently authoritarian or oppressive ideology, whereas racist ideologies tend to be. If you've read any Marx, you'll know that Marx advocated for a stateless, democratic society, not a totalitarian dictatorship by a few at the top, which would only maintain the status quo under a different guise.

Additionally, there even more libertarian strands of Marxism, such as anarcho-communism, libertarian communism, libertarian Marxism etc etc. Look even further, and you'll see that "leftist" ideology is this massive sprawling web of ideologies, including social democracy, Christian socialism, democratic socialism, libertarianism (the real kind, not the 20th century American kind), state socialism, orthodox Marxism, authoritarian communism, Trotskyism, Stalinism etc etc. There is no one single "Marxism" or socialism. The idea that "the left still flirts with Marxism" is nonsense. There isn't a singl, major "Marxist" party in the developed, democratic world right now.
Yep - if only you had been in power all those millions of kulaks would never have been exterminated under Stalin because you would have kept the revolution pure...
 

gashonthenail

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You fell at the first hurdle. Buy a dictionary.
Nice to see you have an open mind. You don't think the word is over-used? You don't think using the word to chuck at Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party, for example, is an over-use of the word? Words - just like coins circulating in an economy - become debased when other things are added to devalue their original content. In the case of the r word - it is debased when used simply to describe anyone whose views deviate from mainstream opinion. I'm not a fan of Jeremy Corbyn - but I recognise chucking the r word at him (and his party) is an over-use of the word and devalues it. The same can be said of Moz - who clearly abhors racism and everything racist ideology stands for.
 

Hovis Lesley

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The UK is less tolerant but not for the left/progressives.........it's never been more beyond the pale.
Absolutely. And these intolerant people are slowly revealing their hand.

When they openly share their proposals for solutions I expect they will look chillingly familiar to students of 20th Century European history. Indeed, Morrissey has become a proxy for expressing (re)emerging ideas of (let’s call it) wider social reform: his treatment provides for a glimpse of their dystopian ideal.

They are venomous people, and they enjoy a rare generosity which (contra Karl Popper) I’m actually happy to advocate, even though their black hearts could never never reciprocate.
 
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vegan cro spirit 555

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Well, where to start. Whether you know it or not, many people still do believe in racism and believe that one is superior to others. That much is quite clear to anyone paying attention.

While I agree that Stalinism (aka Marxism-Leninism) was an ideology that led to the deaths and persecutions of millions, orthodox Marxism (aka the thoughts of Marx and Engels themselves) itself isn't an inherently authoritarian or oppressive ideology, whereas racist ideologies tend to be. If you've read any Marx, you'll know that Marx advocated for a stateless, democratic society, not a totalitarian dictatorship by a few at the top, which would only maintain the status quo under a different guise.

Additionally, there even more libertarian strands of Marxism, such as anarcho-communism, libertarian communism, libertarian Marxism etc etc. Look even further, and you'll see that "leftist" ideology is this massive sprawling web of ideologies, including social democracy, Christian socialism, democratic socialism, libertarianism (the real kind, not the 20th century American kind), state socialism, orthodox Marxism, authoritarian communism, Trotskyism, Stalinism etc etc. There is no one single "Marxism" or socialism. The idea that "the left still flirts with Marxism" is nonsense. There isn't a singl, major "Marxist" party in the developed, democratic world right now.

:paranoid:
orthodox marxism isnt inherently authoritarian at all. or oppressive:lbf:
'the stateless, democratic society' that will make itself by magic:lbf:

pizza pop in the pipe.:lbf:
 

Uncleskinny

It's all good
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Nice to see you have an open mind. You don't think the word is over-used? You don't think using the word to chuck at Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party, for example, is an over-use of the word? Words - just like coins circulating in an economy - become debased when other things are added to devalue their original content. In the case of the r word - it is debased when used simply to describe anyone whose views deviate from mainstream opinion. I'm not a fan of Jeremy Corbyn - but I recognise chucking the r word at him (and his party) is an over-use of the word and devalues it. The same can be said of Moz - who clearly abhors racism and everything racist ideology stands for.
I don't know why you think lobbing Corbyn into the equation helps. I can't stand the beardy twat. He is a disgrace. And as for your last sentence - oh dear. As we say up here, there's none so blind as them that won't see.
 

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