Tommy Robinson admires Morrissey - interview

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Anonymous

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Another example of some entryist, 5 minute Moz fan spouting literal Nazi propaganda modernised for the 21st century.

Seriously, what the f*** do these people here when they listen to the Smiths? Morrissey has changed a great deal over the last few years, but the Smiths weren't some right wing, immigration supporting band. Fair enough if you lot want to get into Morrissey now, during his descent into racist, right-wing alt-media, but the Smiths are not for you, and they never will be. They were a gentle band, with kind, compassionate lyrics, that stood up for the oppressed, completely counter to what Morrissey is increasingly believing in, as he swallows hard right propaganda, the sort which has been propagated by vested interests for decades.

In fact, Johnny Marr himself banned David Cameron from liking the Smiths. I'm sure he'd be quite happy to see this new intake of hard right entryists stop listening to the Smiths.
f*** are you going to force us all to be fans of the Red Army Choir?
 
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Exactly. Racists will all club together and shout it's a meaningless word, when they know that they are indeed quite racist. They fear the word because it has potency and they're aware of the many associations people have when they think of racism. If anything, their lack of ownership over the word shows that they are quite aware of how wrong and unacceptable their views are in the 21st century, but the bulk of them are too weak to own it as they know what the implications are.

Some racists do indeed take ownership of it and accept the label, but I've found that's fairly rare.
But Stalin you hate migration you wont even donate a little bit of money to help an immigrant. What a fascist!
 

gashonthenail

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'Racism' is an over-used term that has become totally devalued and meaningless. The left wing ideologues love it because it is a catch-all term that can mean whatever sociologists and those on the left want it to mean. Fundamentally racism relies on a 19th century view of the world that the human race can be divided up into different 'races', that some races can be viewed as 'superior' and some as 'inferior', and that racial segregation should be promoted and inter-marriage etc. prevented. Anyone who holds this world-view is clearly deranged and unable to process basics facts of modern anthropology and science - race is a wholly out-dated term that has no basis in biology. The idea that Moz holds this world-view is a ridiculous assertion. And the people calling him that, know it too.

Racism is an evil ideology that led to millions of people dying in the Second World War and the Nazi death camps. But it is no less evil than the Marxist ideology that led to many more millions dying in the twentieth century across Russia and Eastern Europe, South East Asia and China. And yet the left still flirt with the evil ideology that is Marxism. Far more so than anyone on the right still flirts with racism.

Racism now is used to police public discourse and language through the nonsense of 'hate speech', when really what we are talking about is people just being civil to one another. As a word it can be chucked at absolutely anyone whose views differ from the mainstream and the orthodox idea that mass immigration is good, that white people should feel ashamed of their culture because they are evil oppressors, and that cultures that are seen as oppressed and marginalised should be protected and praised, no matter how barbaric some of their beliefs and practices might be. The result is the police and social services in towns across England turning a blind eye to child abuse because the perpetrators were Muslim and to investigate them would be seen as racist and Islamophobic. Racism is a redundant word that is best consigned to the history books - along with the 19th century ideas on which the word is based.
 
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So...........you can rape someone and be spared jail......but if you talk about people who rape.........you go to jail. Right.

"A Muslim who raped a 13-year-old girl he groomed on Facebook has been spared a prison sentence after a judge heard he went to an Islamic faith school where he was taught that women are worthless... Rashid claimed he had been taught in his school that 'women are no more worthy than a lollipop that has been dropped on the ground'."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...xFgzKAkjsMg_fgZM_Gpox2uwa0kf2bBNQIsGrXtUMXYX8

The Daily Mail. The f***ing Daily Mail. Are you kidding? Whites never rape anyone, ever!
 

Farnaby

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Farnaby is probably one of those cunts who liked the odd Smiths song, but never really got them, because he was too into Spandau Ballet at the time. Then we he discovered last week that Morrissey is being endorsed by some right wing scum he's suddenly the Smiths biggest fan because he "didn't mind" This Charming Man in '83.
Thanks for the laugh!
 
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Farnaby is probably one of those cunts who liked the odd Smiths song, but never really got them, because he was too into Spandau Ballet at the time. Then we he discovered last week that Morrissey is being endorsed by some right wing scum he's suddenly the Smiths biggest fan because he "didn't mind" This Charming Man in '83.
Add ...

f***fountain
Hatemann
IKnowHowIGotMyHate

... to that list. At least IKHIGMH acknowledged that evangelical racism is why he's here. The other two are just toxic cowards. Hot air from cold hearts.
 
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Anonymous

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'Racism' is an over-used term that has become totally devalued and meaningless. The left wing ideologues love it because it is a catch-all term that can mean whatever sociologists and those on the left want it to mean. Fundamentally racism relies on a 19th century view of the world that the human race can be divided up into different 'races', that some races can be viewed as 'superior' and some as 'inferior', and that racial segregation should be promoted and inter-marriage etc. prevented. Anyone who holds this world-view is clearly deranged and unable to process basics facts of modern anthropology and science - race is a wholly out-dated term that has no basis in biology. The idea that Moz holds this world-view is a ridiculous assertion. And the people calling him that, know it too.

Racism is an evil ideology that led to millions of people dying in the Second World War and the Nazi death camps. But it is no less evil than the Marxist ideology that led to many more millions dying in the twentieth century across Russia and Eastern Europe, South East Asia and China. And yet the left still flirt with the evil ideology that is Marxism. Far more so than anyone on the right still flirts with racism.

Racism now is used to police public discourse and language through the nonsense of 'hate speech', when really what we are talking about is people just being civil to one another. As a word it can be chucked at absolutely anyone whose views differ from the mainstream and the orthodox idea that mass immigration is good, that white people should feel ashamed of their culture because they are evil oppressors, and that cultures that are seen as oppressed and marginalised should be protected and praised, no matter how barbaric some of their beliefs and practices might be. The result is the police and social services in towns across England turning a blind eye to child abuse because the perpetrators were Muslim and to investigate them would be seen as racist and Islamophobic. Racism is a redundant word that is best consigned to the history books - along with the 19th century ideas on which the word is based.
To quote StalinsPipe

"... Racists will all club together and shout it's a meaningless word, when they know that they are indeed quite racist. They fear the word because it has potency and they're aware of the many associations people have when they think of racism. If anything, their lack of ownership over the word shows that they are quite aware of how wrong and unacceptable their views are in the 21st century, but the bulk of them are too weak to own it as they know what the implications are.

Some racists do indeed take ownership of it and accept the label, but I've found that's fairly rare."
 

StalinsPipe

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Like calling yourself "Hitlerwasright" I guess........just to confuse people. Right.
I mean, I probably know more about Stalin's atrocities than you, right?

StalinsPipe is a bit different to "Hitlerwasright" and the name actually refers to stories leading members of the Soviet government recalled about Stalin, and what it, along with his body language, said about what he was usually thinking/doing in meetings, as detailed in Robert Service's "Stalin".
 

Farnaby

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Another example of some entryist, 5 minute Moz fan spouting literal Nazi propaganda modernised for the 21st century.

Seriously, what the f*** do these people here when they listen to the Smiths? Morrissey has changed a great deal over the last few years, but the Smiths weren't some right wing, immigration supporting band. Fair enough if you lot want to get into Morrissey now, during his descent into racist, right-wing alt-media, but the Smiths are not for you, and they never will be. They were a gentle band, with kind, compassionate lyrics, that stood up for the oppressed, completely counter to what Morrissey is increasingly believing in, as he swallows hard right propaganda, the sort which has been propagated by vested interests for decades.

In fact, Johnny Marr himself banned David Cameron from liking the Smiths. I'm sure he'd be quite happy to see this new intake of hard right entryists stop listening to the Smiths.
Fascinating to see you are litteraly incapable of thinking outside of your own propaganda. It's not only a difference of opinion here, it's the fact that you cannot accept the reality because it does not fit your "world view" (to use a nice word). You think mass immigration is great : great ! I think the opposite, but I don't deny your ability to
1) love the Smiths from day one (or day 24)
2) love Morrissey and his solo music
3) be a nice human being
whereas, as a self proclaimed anti mass-immigration man, I
1) am a fake fan pretending loving the Smiths from day one but in fact loving Spandeau Ballet
2) am not able and will never be able to really understand and love The Smiths
3) am a Nazi (but that goes without saying of course).

If you lefties / liberals on here were acting with a little care and thinking, maybe I could take some time to try to discuss with you the "Smiths were a gentle band with kind, compassionate lyrics" sentence of yours. It could be interesting: first "Hang the DJ" is not very kind and second being anti mass-immigration IS the compassionate and kind and gentle and humanist way of dealing with the world right now). But I know it will soon come to "racist cunt", "nazi", "shit stain" and "f*** off", so...
 

Stephen Hofmann

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I mean, I probably know more about Stalin's atrocities than you, right?

StalinsPipe is a bit different to "Hitlerwasright" and the name actually refers to stories leading members of the Soviet government recalled about Stalin, and what it, along with his body language, said about what he was usually thinking/doing in meetings, as detailed in Robert Service's "Stalin".
I just find it odd to use his name.......unless you're a Marxist of course.
 
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At least Moz now has some new wanking material, now that Tommy is singing his praises. I can't wait until the next gig and when he makes the band wear matching 'Adolf Was Right' t shirts. Tommy backdrop of course.
 

StalinsPipe

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'Racism' is an over-used term that has become totally devalued and meaningless. The left wing ideologues love it because it is a catch-all term that can mean whatever sociologists and those on the left want it to mean. Fundamentally racism relies on a 19th century view of the world that the human race can be divided up into different 'races', that some races can be viewed as 'superior' and some as 'inferior', and that racial segregation should be promoted and inter-marriage etc. prevented. Anyone who holds this world-view is clearly deranged and unable to process basics facts of modern anthropology and science - race is a wholly out-dated term that has no basis in biology. The idea that Moz holds this world-view is a ridiculous assertion. And the people calling him that, know it too.

Racism is an evil ideology that led to millions of people dying in the Second World War and the Nazi death camps. But it is no less evil than the Marxist ideology that led to many more millions dying in the twentieth century across Russia and Eastern Europe, South East Asia and China. And yet the left still flirt with the evil ideology that is Marxism. Far more so than anyone on the right still flirts with racism.

Racism now is used to police public discourse and language through the nonsense of 'hate speech', when really what we are talking about is people just being civil to one another. As a word it can be chucked at absolutely anyone whose views differ from the mainstream and the orthodox idea that mass immigration is good, that white people should feel ashamed of their culture because they are evil oppressors, and that cultures that are seen as oppressed and marginalised should be protected and praised, no matter how barbaric some of their beliefs and practices might be. The result is the police and social services in towns across England turning a blind eye to child abuse because the perpetrators were Muslim and to investigate them would be seen as racist and Islamophobic. Racism is a redundant word that is best consigned to the history books - along with the 19th century ideas on which the word is based.
Well, where to start. Whether you know it or not, many people still do believe in racism and believe that one is superior to others. That much is quite clear to anyone paying attention.

While I agree that Stalinism (aka Marxism-Leninism) was an ideology that led to the deaths and persecutions of millions, orthodox Marxism (aka the thoughts of Marx and Engels themselves) itself isn't an inherently authoritarian or oppressive ideology, whereas racist ideologies tend to be. If you've read any Marx, you'll know that Marx advocated for a stateless, democratic society, not a totalitarian dictatorship by a few at the top, which would only maintain the status quo under a different guise.

Additionally, there even more libertarian strands of Marxism, such as anarcho-communism, libertarian communism, libertarian Marxism etc etc. Look even further, and you'll see that "leftist" ideology is this massive sprawling web of ideologies, including social democracy, Christian socialism, democratic socialism, libertarianism (the real kind, not the 20th century American kind), state socialism, orthodox Marxism, authoritarian communism, Trotskyism, Stalinism etc etc. There is no one single "Marxism" or socialism. The idea that "the left still flirts with Marxism" is nonsense. There isn't a singl, major "Marxist" party in the developed, democratic world right now.
 

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