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BrummieBoy

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Moz is certainly connected with and gutted (like most of us are) about what's happening in Ukraine.

As someone mentioned above, Moz was aware of the suffering in Ukraine as early as 2014 (WPINOYB) and wrote a song mentioning it. Moz's always been aware of what's going on in our warring planet (politically and/or physically).

However, also like most of us, who are here talking about him (and not discussing the war), he's been taking care of his everyday life. What's wrong with that?
Do you have any evidence to back up your claim that this singer is 'gutted about what's happening in Ukraine? He was only interested in the Maidan Orange Revolution as a colourful accessory backdrop to his ludicrous wailing attempt to 'connect with politics'. He probably got Russell Brand to check the lyrics as 'empathetic' but they're pathetic. He is saving his 'controversialist contrarian' trolling on the war until it feeds the publicity machine for his next album release. Then he'll make some absurdly provocative statement about how animals are suffering in the war and nobody cares about Ukrainian Cats because they are sociopaths, or something like that. He has zero interest in 'current affairs' other than to use them to weaponise his publicity and pivot eyeballs from the issues in discussion to him so that the discussion becomes about Morrissey.

"How can I turn the mass panic about this war to my advantage so that people realise I have a new album out? What can I say that will infuriate and distress 'clueless consumers' so that my disturbed 'fans' continue to believe I am an Outsider-Radical Artist, not a money-grabbing charlatan?"
 
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True. I suppose my comment was that there are more important things going on than the state of Moz radio play. Then again this isn't a world news website so I take your point.

One thing I find funny is Moz picking St.Patrick's Day to make that post. I wonder did they have parades when Moz was small or did the majority of English hate the Irish back then, or enough to make a parade dangerous? I think they have St.P Day parades these days but perhaps not back then, despite the large numbers of Irish in Manchester. We never hear about St.P Day parades in the UK.
You clearly know nothing about the history of Irish people on the island of Britain. Probably as little as Morrissey...as for your pathetic cliches about the 'English' hate for the 'Irish', again...if you openly admit to being ignorant about complex socio-political histories, it's probably best not to opine on them. The same applies to Morrissey who just added 'being Irish in Britain' to his Victim-Script, just another chip on his shoulder to wail about whilst living in luxury. Total prat eejit so he is.

'The much-loved public event – which attracts around 100,000 people and is thought to be the third largest St Patrick's Day parade in the world – was cancelled in 2020 and 2021 due to COVID-19 restrictions.12 Mar 2022


Birmingham’s St Patrick’s Day parade cancelled for third year running
 
You clearly know nothing about the history of Irish people on the island of Britain. Probably as little as Morrissey...as for your pathetic cliches about the 'English' hate for the 'Irish', again...if you openly admit to being ignorant about complex socio-political histories, it's probably best not to opine on them. The same applies to Morrissey who just added 'being Irish in Britain' to his Victim-Script, just another chip on his shoulder to wail about whilst living in luxury. Total prat eejit so he is.

'The much-loved public event – which attracts around 100,000 people and is thought to be the third largest St Patrick's Day parade in the world – was cancelled in 2020 and 2021 due to COVID-19 restrictions.12 Mar 2022


Birmingham’s St Patrick’s Day parade cancelled for third year running

He hasn't wailed about it - he's mentioned being Irish since the very beginning of his career & has mentioned anti-Irish discrimination a couple of times but is very stoic about it.
 
He hasn't wailed about it - he's mentioned being Irish since the very beginning of his career & has mentioned anti-Irish discrimination a couple of times but is very stoic about it.
He's a grave-robbing ghoul whose cultural appropriation of historic Irish suffering is absolutely inauthentic and appeals only to Plastic Paddies like Joe Biden, another moron who talks shite about Ireland and knows almost nothing about it. He only mentions 'anti-Irish' discrimination to add to his morbid tableaux of suffering as a pampered Mammy's Boy, not in Mom's Basement but in the box room of a nice little semi-D in a very tranquil and pleasant area of Salford. His entire world-view is a fraudulent mix of magpie-stolen quotes, appropriations and allusions. He posed as poor and suffering, but he was always within the loving embrace of a family where his idiosyncratic take on the 'burdens of growing up and accepting masculinity' was ring-fenced, so he could 'write poetry' in a protected bubble of his own self-absorption and fake reality. Droning on for decades about how forlorn and hopeless he was. And unloved. Except he wasn't because the love of his life was and is his mother. It's a total fraud, always has been. Some of it is close to genius as a persona, but that's all it is, all it's ever been. He's a ruthless person who has shat on so many on the way up and now faces the shitstorm of karma on the way down to the abyss of posthumous ridicule and reputational oblivion. It couldn't happen to a more deserving pseud. His next album will be another ridiculous tantrum, a pity-party about the various vendettas and conspiracies he imagines he is subjected to when, in fact, the 'clueless consumers' he mocked on 'Kid's A Looker' have had an epiphany and now see what people like me have seen for decades. Stoic? Morrissey? Yeah, right. I'm sure Jordan Peterson would agree that Moz is a wonderful role model for the John Wayne take on facing up to life's pain and suffering.

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He's a grave-robbing ghoul whose cultural appropriation of historic Irish suffering is absolutely inauthentic and appeals only to Plastic Paddies like Joe Biden, another moron who talks shite about Ireland and knows almost nothing about it. He only mentions 'anti-Irish' discrimination to add to his morbid tableaux of suffering as a pampered Mammy's Boy, not in Mom's Basement but in the box room of a nice little semi-D in a very tranquil and pleasant area of Salford. His entire world-view is a fraudulent mix of magpie-stolen quotes, appropriations and allusions. He posed as poor and suffering, but he was always within the loving embrace of a family where his idiosyncratic take on the 'burdens of growing up and accepting masculinity' was ring-fenced, so he could 'write poetry' in a protected bubble of his own self-absorption and fake reality. Droning on for decades about how forlorn and hopeless he was. And unloved. Except he wasn't because the love of his life was and is his mother. It's a total fraud, always has been. Some of it is close to genius as a persona, but that's all it is, all it's ever been. He's a ruthless person who has shat on so many on the way up and now faces the shitstorm of karma on the way down to the abyss of posthumous ridicule and reputational oblivion. It couldn't happen to a more deserving pseud. His next album will be another ridiculous tantrum, a pity-party about the various vendettas and conspiracies he imagines he is subjected to when, in fact, the 'clueless consumers' he mocked on 'Kid's A Looker' have had an epiphany and now see what people like me have seen for decades. Stoic? Morrissey? Yeah, right. I'm sure Jordan Peterson would agree that Moz is a wonderful role model for the John Wayne take on facing up to life's pain and suffering.

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His parents are Irish, he grew up between Dublin & Manchester, he lived in Dublin, & his mother is buried in Dublin.

He was stoic about the discrimination. Also confused by it because the two cultures he was raised in were at odds with each other.

I highlight that he's an Irish Catholic because it's another reason why the NME's 1992 cover story is bullshit.

There's nothing fraudulent about his art - he's written about being a mentally ill mother's boy & struggling to see a place for himself in pop culture. He's honest about things anyone else would have hidden.

The music press in the early 80s might have sold him as a socialist, animal rights activist because they understand news values, but he never did. He always related animal slaughter & the unfairness of the class system to his mental health, as if solving it would cure his bouts of insanity.
 
"My Irishness was never something I hid or camouflaged. I grew up in a strong Irish community. Of course, early on I'd be teased about it, I was called `Paddy' from an early age. I mean, there I was, born, braised and bred in Manchester but I was still always called `Paddy'. And this was back in the 1960s when it was a bitter and malevolent slur. But that's how Manchester people are - they're extremely critical of everything and everybody." - Morrissey

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/paddy-english-man-part-1-1.252576
 
His parents are Irish, he grew up between Dublin & Manchester, he lived in Dublin, & his mother is buried in Dublin.

He was stoic about the discrimination. Also confused by it because the two cultures he was raised in were at odds with each other.

I highlight that he's an Irish Catholic because it's another reason why the NME's 1992 cover story is bullshit.

There's nothing fraudulent about his art - he's written about being a mentally ill mother's boy & struggling to see a place for himself in pop culture. He's honest about things anyone else would have hidden.

The music press in the early 80s might have sold him as a socialist, animal rights activist because they understand news values, but he never did. He always related animal slaughter & the unfairness of the class system to his mental health, as if solving it would cure his bouts of insanity.
Well, I'm sure this singer would be absolutely delighted to realize that his remaining defenders mount a rear-guard action that seeks to justify his crazed outbursts as evidence of 'his bouts of insanity'.

You know nothing about Irish history and the complex socio-political dynamic of being a 2nd generation Irish person in England. I do because I am. But I don't indulge in ludicrous attempts to weaponise my heritage to gain kudos for identifying with the suffering of my ancestors because that would be risible given how rich I am. I see those clowns in 40k Euro cars parking up at Red Cow interchange, the disco mix of 'Fields Of Athenry' blaring as they prepare for a drone day in the IFSC. Morrissey is no different to those GAA gay closet cases who repress their sexuality but it exhibits as 'toxic masculinity'. At least those fellas are a hoot when they're on the lash in Amsterdam of a weekend. Imagine going on a weekend bender with Morrissey? Imagine the absolute tedium of listening to him droning on about himself then sulking and storming off because nobody is listening. I've seen it. It was funny in a tragic kind of way,

Morrissey was a 'useful idiot' to the politically correct music business establishment at the NME who used him to posit fractured masculinity and espouse a girly upcycling of maleness to placate the rising 'feminist' hysteria about blokes. He thought that meant he was a 'genius' but once he'd served his purpose he was thrown on the scrap heap of history. He didn't realize that there was a script and that he had to stick to it or else back to oblivion. He is a total cry-baby who can't face the fact that he was only ever a C List curiosity, isn't 'famous' despite that being his pathetic goal in life and now faces a twilight of endlessly demanding he be treated as A List Alpha when anyone in that space simply grimaces when he walks in the bar.

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He's a ruthless person who has shat on so many on the way up and now faces the shitstorm of karma on the way down to the abyss of posthumous ridicule....
This is true, but I'm not sure how it makes him a fraud.

The things that Morrissey said that he was - introverted, obsessive, difficult, surgically attached to his mother, etc - hasn't the truth of those claims been borne out by his life? Struggling to hold down relationships, hiding when musicians ask for payment, using a proxy (Mum/Johnny/Boz etc) to handle his affairs, burning bridges with a dozen different record labels - it's all consistent with someone who struggles to cope outside their own cocoon and finds other people exhausting.

Gail Colson once said that even after he became successful, he lived exactly as he had before fame - it's just that instead of Mum's semi in Stretford, he locked himself away in a 5-star hotel and refused to answer phone calls there instead. His behaviours have never really changed.
 
Well, I'm sure this singer would be absolutely delighted to realize that his remaining defenders mount a rear-guard action that seeks to justify his crazed outbursts as evidence of 'his bouts of insanity'.

You know nothing about Irish history and the complex socio-political dynamic of being a 2nd generation Irish person in England. I do because I am. But I don't indulge in ludicrous attempts to weaponise my heritage to gain kudos for identifying with the suffering of my ancestors because that would be risible given how rich I am. I see those clowns in 40k Euro cars parking up at Red Cow interchange, the disco mix of 'Fields Of Athenry' blaring as they prepare for a drone day in the IFSC. Morrissey is no different to those GAA gay closet cases who repress their sexuality but it exhibits as 'toxic masculinity'. At least those fellas are a hoot when they're on the lash in Amsterdam of a weekend. Imagine going on a weekend bender with Morrissey? Imagine the absolute tedium of listening to him droning on about himself then sulking and storming off because nobody is listening. I've seen it. It was funny in a tragic kind of way,

Morrissey was a 'useful idiot' to the politically correct music business establishment at the NME who used him to posit fractured masculinity and espouse a girly upcycling of maleness to placate the rising 'feminist' hysteria about blokes. He thought that meant he was a 'genius' but once he'd served his purpose he was thrown on the scrap heap of history. He didn't realize that there was a script and that he had to stick to it or else back to oblivion. He is a total cry-baby who can't face the fact that he was only ever a C List curiosity, isn't 'famous' despite that being his pathetic goal in life and now faces a twilight of endlessly demanding he be treated as A List Alpha when anyone in that space simply grimaces when he walks in the bar.

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He hasn't weaponized his heritage & he's always been open about his mental health issues.

He is a great artist.

You're a very strange Irish Catholic.
 
"My Irishness was never something I hid or camouflaged. I grew up in a strong Irish community. Of course, early on I'd be teased about it, I was called `Paddy' from an early age. I mean, there I was, born, braised and bred in Manchester but I was still always called `Paddy'. And this was back in the 1960s when it was a bitter and malevolent slur. But that's how Manchester people are - they're extremely critical of everything and everybody." - Morrissey

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/paddy-english-man-part-1-1.252576
What tripe!

'Paddy' is a term of endearment from one Irishman to another. Who was calling him 'Paddy'? It was never a 'bitter and malevolent slur' unless it was from an overtly racist situation like a building site canteen where indigenous English periodically crossed the line from bantz to offence. But I can't quite picture Morrissey as a navvy digging ditches, can you? This is a hideous slur on the good people of Manchester, just more of the same old nonsense. Your quote from his ludicrous 'autohagiography' merely confirms everything I've said. He is a total fraud who drapes the Green Jersey for profit then discards it, just like most Irish politicians. Who was calling ya Paddy, Paddy? Of course his middle name is Patrick so it takes a particular paranoia to regard somebody calling ypu by your legal name to be 'a bitter and malevolent slur'. It's a shame there weren't child educational psychologists around to disabuse him of his conspiratorial mindset. My Dad called me 'Paddy' all the feckin time but I'm not called Patrick and he wasn't insulting me. He loved me and so did his bus driver mates who also called me 'young Paddy Englishman. This is total and absolute bollix.
 
What tripe!

'Paddy' is a term of endearment from one Irishman to another. Who was calling him 'Paddy'? It was never a 'bitter and malevolent slur' unless it was from an overtly racist situation like a building site canteen where indigenous English periodically crossed the line from bantz to offence. But I can't quite picture Morrissey as a navvy digging ditches, can you? This is a hideous slur on the good people of Manchester, just more of the same old nonsense. Your quote from his ludicrous 'autohagiography' merely confirms everything I've said. He is a total fraud who drapes the Green Jersey for profit then discards it, just like most Irish politicians. Who was calling ya Paddy, Paddy? Of course his middle name is Patrick so it takes a particular paranoia to regard somebody calling ypu by your legal name to be 'a bitter and malevolent slur'. It's a shame there weren't child educational psychologists around to disabuse him of his conspiratorial mindset. My Dad called me 'Paddy' all the feckin time but I'm not called Patrick and he wasn't insulting me. He loved me and so did his bus driver mates who also called me 'young Paddy Englishman. This is total and absolute bollix.

In Glasgow Tim's an anti-Irish slur.

Paddy & Mick are also used as slurs.
 
What tripe!

'Paddy' is a term of endearment from one Irishman to another. Who was calling him 'Paddy'? It was never a 'bitter and malevolent slur' unless it was from an overtly racist situation like a building site canteen where indigenous English periodically crossed the line from bantz to offence.

:rolleyes:

But I can't quite picture Morrissey as a navvy digging ditches, can you? This is a hideous slur on the good people of Manchester, just more of the same old nonsense. Your quote from his ludicrous 'autohagiography' merely confirms everything I've said. He is a total fraud who drapes the Green Jersey for profit then discards it, just like most Irish politicians.

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Who was calling ya Paddy, Paddy? Of course his middle name is Patrick so it takes a particular paranoia to regard somebody calling ypu by your legal name to be 'a bitter and malevolent slur'.

are you addressing Moz thru the forum?😑

It's a shame there weren't child educational psychologists around to disabuse him of his conspiratorial mindset. My Dad called me 'Paddy' all the feckin time but I'm not called Patrick and he wasn't insulting me. He loved me and so did his bus driver mates who also called me 'young Paddy Englishman. This is total and absolute bollix.

a psychological butcher are we??:crazy:
much like the Lord Jesus Christ dog on the other thread:crazy:


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This is true, but I'm not sure how it makes him a fraud.

The things that Morrissey said that he was - introverted, obsessive, difficult, surgically attached to his mother, etc - hasn't the truth of those claims been borne out by his life? Struggling to hold down relationships, hiding when musicians ask for payment, using a proxy (Mum/Johnny/Boz etc) to handle his affairs, burning bridges with a dozen different record labels - it's all consistent with someone who struggles to cope outside their own cocoon and finds other people exhausting.

Gail Colson once said that even after he became successful, he lived exactly as he had before fame - it's just that instead of Mum's semi in Stretford, he locked himself away in a 5-star hotel and refused to answer phone calls there instead. His behaviours have never really changed.
So fcUKin what?

You are describing a person who is wilful in his refusal to accept he may have 'personality issues' which require him to submit to treatment and stick with it instead of flouncing off and splashing the cash on Luxuria then, when that no longer provides the dopamine, he starts mouthing shite about 'the world won't listen' and all the rest of his utterly nonsensical takes on his predicament. The phrase 'First World Problems' doesn't begin to address the utter fraudulence of his claims. We are talking about a multi-millionaire who openly boasts about minimizing his tax obligations to his country of birth, employing 'concierge doctors' and flying 1st class back from Peru after a bout of the Montezuma's Revenge. He is blown about like a plastic bag on the high street, one minute he is playing the 'sincerity' card then he's hiding behind 'irony' even though he's pretty rubbish at it. He got away with flogging his Poundland versions of Radical Art because most people didn't have the kind of pampered upbringing that allowed them to obsess about 'that kind of thing'. Yes, he is still trapped in that box-room except now servants bring him the luxuries that royalties buy or whatever that silly lyric about 'the squalor of the mind' was. Lookit. There are homeless people on the street in desperate need of therapy and shelter. There are millions of refugees from this war. Given the actual objective facts of his early life and the revelation that he deeply mourns the loss of the mother he loved and who loved him unconditionally, his whole baloney about loneliness and being 'unloveable' is now revealed as an absolute scam. He has lived a life of opulence and privilege, but that hasn't helped his solve his 'issues'. He should have joined the army and he should be conscripted to boot camp now and sent to fight in Ukraine. Tired of this wanker droning on. Was going to see Henry Rollins at Brum Town Hall, but the puff cancelled because of Covid. He ripped a new arsehole in Morrissey, and he was right. Morrissey was just software for disgruntled feminists and Cultural Marxists who thought they could keep the little puppy-wuppy on his leash. Now he perhaps realised he's been used liek a total fool, but that's his fcUKin problem, isn't it? He really isn't half as talented as he thinks he is, or you lot seem to accept he is an article of faith. He's just another cash cow trying to find a radio friendly unit shifter, and I choose to sit back and enjoy what's left of the circus.

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In Glasgow Tim's an anti-Irish slur.

Paddy & Mick are also used as slurs.
Are you talking about Rangers football fans?

I haven't mentioned Glasgow. That city is in Scotland, not Ireland or England. Do you have access to an atlas?
 
So fcUKin what?

You are describing a person who is wilful in his refusal to accept he may have 'personality issues' which require him to submit to treatment and stick with it instead of flouncing off and splashing the cash on Luxuria then, when that no longer provides the dopamine, he starts mouthing shite about 'the world won't listen' and all the rest of his utterly nonsensical takes on his predicament. The phrase 'First World Problems' doesn't begin to address the utter fraudulence of his claims. We are talking about a multi-millionaire who openly boasts about minimizing his tax obligations to his country of birth, employing 'concierge doctors' and flying 1st class back from Peru after a bout of the Montezuma's Revenge. He is blown about like a plastic bag on the high street, one minute he is playing the 'sincerity' card then he's hiding behind 'irony' even though he's pretty rubbish at it. He got away with flogging his Poundland versions of Radical Art because most people didn't have the kind of pampered upbringing that allowed them to obsess about 'that kind of thing'. Yes, he is still trapped in that box-room except now servants bring him the luxuries that royalties buy or whatever that silly lyric about 'the squalor of the mind' was. Lookit. There are homeless people on the street in desperate need of therapy and shelter. There are millions of refugees from this war. Given the actual objective facts of his early life and the revelation that he deeply mourns the loss of the mother he loved and who loved him unconditionally, his whole baloney about loneliness and being 'unloveable' is now revealed as an absolute scam. He has lived a life of opulence and privilege but that hasn't helped his solve his 'issues'. He should have joined the army and he should be conscripted to boot camp now and sent to fight in the Ukraine. Tired of this wnaker droning on. Was goign to see Henry Rollins at Brum Town Hall but the puff cancelled because of Covid. He ripped a new arsehole in Morrissey and he was right. Morrissey was just software for disgruntled feminists and Cultural Marxists who thought they could keep the little puppy-wuppy on his leash. Now he perhaps realised he's been used liek a total fool but that's his fcUKin problem, isn't it? He really isn't half as talented as he thinks he is or you lot seem to accept he is an article of faith. He's just another cash cow trying to find a radio friendly unit shifter and I choose to sit back and enjoy what's left of the circus.

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Everything he was when he was 15, every flaw in his personality - he still has. If it weren't 'real', why would he have lost so many friends, gone years without record deals, shared his most painful, personal thoughts about his Mum's death with random fans on the Internet?

So many ex-fans have this idea that Morrissey has 'betrayed' them in some way. Why? Because he's rich? Is he no longer poor enough / lonely enough / gay enough / Irish enough etc etc for you to like him, so he must have been a fraud all along? Would all be forgiven if he went back to Stretford tomorrow and hanged himself, what do you want from him? It makes no sense.
 
Are you talking about Rangers football fans?

I haven't mentioned Glasgow. That city is in Scotland, not Ireland or England. Do you have access to an atlas?

I'm pointing out that even a name as inoffensive as Tim can be a slur.

I was talking about people who use slurs.

You posted a video with a Rangers Celtic match in the profile picture - so you did bring Glasgow into it.
 
So fcUKin what?

You are describing a person who is wilful in his refusal to accept he may have 'personality issues' which require him to submit to treatment and stick with it instead of flouncing off and splashing the cash on Luxuria then, when that no longer provides the dopamine, he starts mouthing shite about 'the world won't listen' and all the rest of his utterly nonsensical takes on his predicament. The phrase 'First World Problems' doesn't begin to address the utter fraudulence of his claims. We are talking about a multi-millionaire who openly boasts about minimizing his tax obligations to his country of birth, employing 'concierge doctors' and flying 1st class back from Peru after a bout of the Montezuma's Revenge. He is blown about like a plastic bag on the high street, one minute he is playing the 'sincerity' card then he's hiding behind 'irony' even though he's pretty rubbish at it. He got away with flogging his Poundland versions of Radical Art because most people didn't have the kind of pampered upbringing that allowed them to obsess about 'that kind of thing'. Yes, he is still trapped in that box-room except now servants bring him the luxuries that royalties buy or whatever that silly lyric about 'the squalor of the mind' was. Lookit. There are homeless people on the street in desperate need of therapy and shelter. There are millions of refugees from this war. Given the actual objective facts of his early life and the revelation that he deeply mourns the loss of the mother he loved and who loved him unconditionally, his whole baloney about loneliness and being 'unloveable' is now revealed as an absolute scam. He has lived a life of opulence and privilege, but that hasn't helped his solve his 'issues'. He should have joined the army and he should be conscripted to boot camp now and sent to fight in Ukraine. Tired of this wanker droning on. Was going to see Henry Rollins at Brum Town Hall, but the puff cancelled because of Covid. He ripped a new arsehole in Morrissey, and he was right. Morrissey was just software for disgruntled feminists and Cultural Marxists who thought they could keep the little puppy-wuppy on his leash. Now he perhaps realised he's been used liek a total fool, but that's his fcUKin problem, isn't it? He really isn't half as talented as he thinks he is, or you lot seem to accept he is an article of faith. He's just another cash cow trying to find a radio friendly unit shifter, and I choose to sit back and enjoy what's left of the circus.

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BB

Cultural Marxists? Feminists? Should be conscripted into the Army? 🧐

Morrissey has enough talent to survive his weirdness - being furious at him is a bit futile.
 
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