The Smiths complete studio sessions (2022 version)

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Vulgarian
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What are the World Peace era « French mixes »?

Never seen.
Possibly one of the takes of the tracks concerned mixed in France, but the product and music never surfaced.
They managed a listing on Amazon, so almost came close.
Regards,
FWD.
 
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Suedehead (Peel session 1988)
Margaret On The Guillotine (Peel session 1988)
Ordinary Boys, Ordinary Girls (Peel session 1988)
If these even still exist, these are my Holy Grail of lost recordings - I'd love to know what was so bad about them that Morrissey forbid them to be broadcast.
 
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05/06.1982 Manchester, Johnny Marr's House (produced by Johnny Marr)
The Hand That Rocks The Cradle (home demo - unreleased)
Don't Blow Your Own Horn (home demo - unreleased)

08.1982 Manchester, Johnny Marr's House (produced by Johnny Marr)
I Want A Boy For My Birthday (excerpt demo - LEAKED)
I Want A Boy For My Birthday (full version demo - DALE HIBBERT YOUTUBE)

08.1982 Manchester, Decibel Studios
The Hand That Rocks The Cradle (demo - DALE HIBBERT YOUTUBE)
Suffer Little Children (demo - DALE HIBBERT YOUTUBE)

12.1982 Manchester, Drone Studios
Handsome Devil (EMI demo - unreleased)
Miserable Lie (EMI demo - unreleased)
What Difference Does It Make? (EMI demo - unreleased)

04.02.1983 Manchester, Hacienda (CONCERT)
Handsome Devil (live - HAND IN GLOVE single)

27.02.1983 Stockport, Strawberry Studios -
Hand In Glove (single version - HATFUL OF HOLLOW)
Hand In Glove (remixed by John Porter - THE SMITHS)

18.05.1983 London, BBC Studios (produced by Roger Pusey)
Handsome Devil (Peel session - HATFUL OF HOLLOW)
Miserable Lie (Peel session - PEEL SESSIONS EP)
Reel Around The Fountain (Peel session - HATFUL OF HOLLOW)
What Difference Does It Make? (Peel session - HATFUL OF HOLLOW)

05.1983 Manchester, Crazy Face jeans warehouse (produced by Joe Moss)
A Matter Of Opinion (rehearsal - unreleased)
You’ve Got Everything Now (rehearsal - LEAKED)
Accept Yourself (rehearsal - LEAKED)
What Difference Does It Make? (rehearsal - LEAKED)
Reel Around The Fountain (rehearsal - LEAKED)
These Things Take Time (rehearsal - LEAKED)
I Don't Owe You Anything (rehearsal - LEAKED)
Hand In Glove (rehearsal - LEAKED)
Handsome Devil (rehearsal - LEAKED)
Miserable Lie (rehearsal - LEAKED)

26.06.1983 London, BBC Session (produced by Dale Griffin)
These Things Take Time (Jensen session - HATFUL OF HOLLOW)
Wonderful Woman (Jensen session - LEAKED)
You've Got Everything Now (Jensen session - HATFUL OF HOLLOW)

29.06.1983 London, Brixton Ace (CONCERT)
Hand In Glove (live - THERE IS A LIGHT THAT NEVER GOES OUT CD1)

07/08.1983 London, Elephant Studios (produced by Troy Tate)
Accept Yourself (Troy Tate version #1 - LEAKED)
Accept Yourself (Troy Tate version #2 - LEAKED)
Hand In Glove (Troy Tate version - LEAKED)
Hand In Glove (Troy Tate version alternate mix - LEAKED)
The Hand That Rocks The Cradle (Troy Tate version - LEAKED)
Handsome Devil (Troy Tate version - LEAKED)
Handsome Devil (Troy Tate version alternate mix - LEAKED)
I Don't Owe You Anything (Troy Tate version - LEAKED)
I Don't Owe You Anything (Troy Tate version alternate mix - LEAKED)
Jeane (Troy Tate version - LEAKED)
Jeane (remixed - THIS CHARMING MAN 7")
Miserable Lie (Troy Tate version - LEAKED)
Miserable Lie (Troy Tate version alternate mix - LEAKED)
Pretty Girls Make Graves (Troy Tate version - I STARTED SOMETHING I COULDN'T FINISH single)
Reel Around The Fountain (Troy Tate version - COMPLETE box set)
Reel Around The Fountain (Troy Tate version alternate mix - LEAKED)
Suffer Little Children (Troy Tate version - LEAKED)
Suffer Little Children (Troy Tate version alternate mix - LEAKED)
These Things Take Time (Troy Tate version - LEAKED)
What Difference Does It Make? (Troy Tate version #1 - LEAKED)
What Difference Does It Make? (Troy Tate version #1 alternate mix - LEAKED)
What Difference Does It Make? (Troy Tate version #2 - LEAKED)
Wonderful Woman (Troy Tate version - LEAKED)
Wonderful Woman (Troy Tate version alternate mix - LEAKED)
You've Got Everything Now (Troy Tate version - LEAKED)
You've Got Everything Now Troy Tate version alternate mix - LEAKED)

25.08.1983 London, BBC Studios (produced by David Jensen)
Accept Yourself (BBC session - HATFUL OF HOLLOW)
I Don't Owe You Anything (BBC session - LEAKED)
Pretty Girls Make Graves (BBC session - LEAKED)
Reel Around The Fountain (BBC session - LEAKED)

14.09.1983 London, BBC Studios (produced by Roger Pusey)
Back To The Old House (Peel session - HATFUL OF HOLLOW)
Still Ill (Peel session - HATFUL OF HOLLOW)
This Charming Man (Peel session - HATFUL OF HOLLOW)
This Night Has Opened My Eyes (Peel session - HATFUL OF HOLLOW)

09.1983 London, Matrix Studios (produced by John Porter)
Accept Yourself (THIS CHARMING MAN single)
Still Ill (instrumental backing track - THE SMITHS)
This Charming Man (London version - THIS CHARMING MAN single)
Wonderful Woman (THIS CHARMING MAN single)

10.1983 Stockport, Strawberry Studio (produced by John Porter)
This Charming Man (Manchester version - THE SMITHS)

mid 10.1983 Manchester, Pluto Studios (produced by John Porter)
Back To The Old House (LOUDER THAN WORDS)
The Hand That Rocks The Cradle (monitor mix - DEMOS & OUTTAKES)
The Hand That Rocks The Cradle (THE SMITHS)
I Don't Owe You Anything (fast version - unreleased)
I Don't Owe You Anything (THE SMITHS)
Miserable Lie (THE SMITHS)
Pretty Girls Make Graves (THE SMITHS)
Reel Around The Fountain (THE SMITHS)
Still Ill (vocals - THE SMITHS)
Suffer Little Children (THE SMITHS)
These Things Take Time (LOUDER THAN BOMBS)
What Difference Does It Make? (THE SMITHS)
You've Got Everything Now (THE SMITHS)

11.1983 London, Eden Studios
THE SMITHS album additional mixing

late 1983 Manchester, Johnny Marr's House (produced by Johnny Marr)
Well I Wonder (instrumental home demo - unreleased)

02.1984 London, Matrix Studios (produced by John Porter)
Hand In Glove (w/ Sandie Shaw - HAND IN GLOVE single)
Hand In Glove (w/ Sandie Shaw - alternate mix - THE SMITHS Japan CD)
I Don't Owe You Anything (w/ Sandie Shaw - HAND IN GLOVE single)
Jeane (w/ Sandie Shaw - HAND IN GLOVE single)

20.02.1984 "THE SMITHS" ALBUM RELEASED

02.03.1984 Glasgow, University (CONCERT)
Girl Afraid (live - DEPARTMENT OF ENJOYMENT VV.AA.)

03.1984 London, Fallout Shelter (produced by John Porter)
Girl Afraid (HATFUL OF HOLLOW)
Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now (HATFUL OF HOLLOW)
Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now (longer version - HEAVEN KNOWS I'M MISERABLE NOW 12")

14.04.1984 London, Saturday Live BBC Studios
I Don't Owe You Anything (w/ Sandie Shaw - LEAKED)
Jeane (w/ Sandie Shaw - LEAKED)

04.1984 London, Powerhouse Studios (produced by Geoff Travis)
This Charming Man (Amanda Malone version - unreleased)
Girl Afraid (Amanda Malone version - unreleased)

07.1984 London, Jam Studios (produced by John Porter)
Fast One (instrumental demo edited - LEAKED)
Fast One (instrumental full demo - unreleased)
How Soon Is Now? (HATFUL OF HOLLOW)
How Soon Is Now? (edited single version - HOW SOON IS NOW? 7" single)
How Soon Is Now? (Phil Brown edit - HOW SOON IS NOW? US 7" single)
How Soon Is Now? (unfinished studio outtake - WILLIAM IT WAS REALLY NOTHING italian 12")
Nowhere Fast (intended single version - unreleased)
Rusholme Ruffians (electric version - DEMOS & OUTTAKES)
This Night Has Opened My Eyes (studio version - DEMOS & OUTTAKES)
Please, Please, Let Me Get What I Want (HATFUL OF HOLLOW)
Well I Wonder (instrumental demo - unreleased)
William, It Was Really Nothing (HATFUL OF HOLLOW)

01.08.1984 London, BBC Studios (produced by John Porter)
How Soon Is Now? (Peel session - unreleased(
Nowhere Fast (Peel session - LAST NIGHT I DREAMT THAT SOMEBODY LOVED ME single)
Rusholme Ruffians (Peel session - LAST NIGHT I DREAMT THAT SOMEBODY LOVED ME single)
William, It Was Really Nothing (Peel session - LAST NIGHT I DREAMT THAT SOMEBODY LOVED ME single)

10.1984 Liverpool, Amazon Studios (produced by Morrissey & Marr)
Barbarism Begins At Home (early demo - unreleased)
Barbarism Begins At Home (MEAT IS MURDER)
Barbarism Begins At Home (Phil Brown edit - BARBARISM BEGINS AT HOME 7" single)
The Headmaster Ritual (studio outtake - unreleased)
The Headmaster Ritual (MEAT IS MURDER)
The Headmaster Ritual (Phil Brown edit - THE HEADMASTER RITUAL 7" single)
I Want The One I Can't Have (studio outtake - unreleased)
I Want The One I Can't Have (MEAT IS MURDER)
Meat Is Murder (studio outtake - unreleased)
Meat Is Murder (MEAT IS MURDER)
Nowhere Fast (MEAT IS MURDER)
Rusholme Ruffians (MEAT IS MURDER)
That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore (studio outtake - unreleased)
That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore (MEAT IS MURDER)
Well I Wonder (MEAT IS MURDER)
What She Said (studio outtake - unreleased)
What She Said (MEAT IS MURDER)

12.11.1984 "HATFUL OF HOLLOW" COMPILATION RELEASED

11.1984 Surrey, Ridge Farm
MEAT IS MURDER album overdubs

12.1984 London, Fallout Shelter
MEAT IS MURDER album final mixes
I Misses You (edited instrumental demo - DEMOS & OUTTAKES)
I Misses You (full instrumental demo - unreleased)
Never Had No One Ever (instrumental demo - unreleased)

01.1985 Surrey, Ridge Farm Studios (produced by Morrissey & Marr)
Oscillate Wildly (studio outtake - unreleased)
Oscillate Wildly (THE WORLD WON'T LISTEN)
Shakespeare's Sister (studio outtake - unreleased)

01.1985 Primrose Hill, Utopia Studios (produced by Morrissey & Marr)
Shakespeare's Sister (THE WORLD WON'T LISTEN)
Stretch Out And Wait (LOUDER THAN BOMBS)
Stretch Out And Wait (alternate version - THE WORLD WON'T LISTEN)

11.02.1985 "MEAT IS MURDER" ALBUM RELEASED

18.03.1985 Oxford, Apollo Theatre (CONCERT)
Nowhere Fast (live - THAT JOKE ISN'T FUNNY ANYMORE single)
Stretch Out And Wait (live - THAT JOKE ISN'T FUNNY ANYMORE single)
Shakespeare's Sister (live - THAT JOKE ISN'T FUNNY ANYMORE single)
Meat Is Murder (live - THAT JOKE ISN'T FUNNY ANYMORE single)
What She Said (live - NME Poll Winners vv.aa. 7")
Miserable Lie (live - Rough Trade Compilation vv.aa. LP)
William It Was Really Nothing (live - Meat Is Murder Live Promo EP)

27.06.1985 Los Angeles, Hollywood Palladium (CONCERT)
Shakespeare's Sister (live - Rarities Volume 2 aa.vv. Promo CD)

08.1985 Manchester, Drone Studios (produced by Morrissey & Marr)
The Boy With The Thorn In His Side studio (demo - THE QUEEN IS DEAD DELUXE EDITION)
The Boy With The Thorn In His Side (original mix - THE WORLD WON'T LISTEN)
Rubber Ring (early version - THE BOY WITH THE THORN IN HIS SIDE 2017 single)

08/09.1985 London, RAK Studios (produced by Morrissey & Marr)
Asleep (THE WORLD WON'T LISTEN)
Bigmouth Strikes Again (studio outtake with Kirsty MacColl - unreleased)
Bigmouth Strikes Again (demo edited - THE QUEEN IS DEAD DELUXE EDITION)
Bigmouth Strikes Again (demo full version - LEAKED)
Bigmouth Strikes Again (THE QUEEN IS DEAD)
Frankly, Mr. Shankly (demo - THE QUEEN IS DEAD DELUXE EDITION)
I Know It's Over (demo - THE QUEEN IS DEAD DELUXE EDITION)
I Know It's Over (instrumental backing track - THE QUEEN IS DEAD)
Never Had No One Ever take (demo - THE QUEEN IS DEAD DELUXE EDITION)
Never Had No One Ever (instrumental backing track - THE QUEEN IS DEAD)
Rubber Ring studio (outtake - LEAKED)
Rubber Ring (THE WORLD WON'T LISTEN)
Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others (demo edited - THE QUEEN IS DEAD DELUXE EDITION)
Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others (demo full version - LEAKED)
There Is A Light That Never Goes Out (demo - THE QUEEN IS DEAD DELUXE EDITION)
Unloveable (studio outtake - LEAKED)

10/11.1985 Farnham, Jacobs Studios (produced by Morrissey & Marr)
The Boy With The Thorn In His Side (remix - THE QUEEN IS DEAD)
Cemetry Gates (demo - THE QUEEN IS DEAD DELUXE EDITION)
Cemetry Gates (monitor mix - unreleased)
Cemetry Gates (THE QUEEN IS DEAD)
Frankly, Mr. Shankly (studio outtake with horns - DEMOS & OUTTAKES)
I Know It's Over (vocals - THE QUEEN IS DEAD)
Never Had No One Ever (studio outtake with trumpet - unreleased)
Never Had No One Ever (vocals - THE QUEEN IS DEAD)
The Queen Is Dead (instrumental demo - LEAKED)
The Queen Is Dead (full lenght version - THE QUEEN IS DEAD DELUXE EDITION)
The Queen Is Dead full lenght version w/ intro - DEMOS & OUTTAKES)
The Queen Is Dead (THE QUEEN IS DEAD)
Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others (THE QUEEN IS DEAD)
Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others (alternate mix - SOME GIRLS ARE BIGGER THAN OTHERS 7")
Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others (instrumental mix - LEAKED)
There Is A Light That Never Goes Out (THE QUEEN IS DEAD)
Unloveable (THE WORLD WON'T LISTEN)
Vicar In A Tutu (alternate mix - unreleased)
Vicar In A Tutu (demo instrumental - LEAKED)
Vicar In A Tutu (THE QUEEN IS DEAD)

12.1985 London, Wessex Studios (produced by John Porter)
Frankly, Mr. Shankly (THE QUEEN IS DEAD)
Money Changes Everything (THE WORLD WON'T LISTEN)

05.1986 London, Livingston Studios (produced by John Porter) (with Crain Gannon on rhythm guitar)
The Draize Train (PANIC 12" single)
Panic (THE WORLD WON'T LISTEN)
Sweet Tender Hooligan (slower studio outtake - unreleased)

16.06.1986 "THE QUEEN IS DEAD" ALBUM RELEASED

06.1986 London, Jam Studios (produced by John Porter) (with Crain Gannon on rhythm guitar)
Ask (first version - DEMOS & OUTTAKES)
Ask (THE WORLD WON'T LISTEN)
Golden Lights (pre-mix version - unreleased)
Golden Lights (THE WORLD WON'T LISTEN)
Is It Really So Strange? (intended single version - DEMOS & OUTTAKES)

05.08.1986 Boston, Great Woods (CONCERT) (with Crain Gannon on rhythm guitar)
How Soon Is Now? (live - THE QUEEN IS DEAD DELUXE EDITION)
Hand In Glove (live - THE QUEEN IS DEAD DELUXE EDITION)
I Want The One I Can't Have (live - THE QUEEN IS DEAD DELUXE EDITION)
Never Had No One Ever (live - THE QUEEN IS DEAD DELUXE EDITION)
Stretch Out And Wait (live - THE QUEEN IS DEAD DELUXE EDITION)
The Boy With The Thorn In His Side (live - THE QUEEN IS DEAD DELUXE EDITION)
Cemetry Gates (live - THE QUEEN IS DEAD DELUXE EDITION)
Rubber Ring/What She Said/Rubber Ring (live - THE QUEEN IS DEAD DELUXE EDITION)
Is It Really So Strange? (live - THE QUEEN IS DEAD DELUXE EDITION)
There Is A Light That Never Goes Out (live - THE QUEEN IS DEAD DELUXE EDITION)
That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore (live - THE QUEEN IS DEAD DELUXE EDITION)
The Queen Is Dead (live - THE QUEEN IS DEAD DELUXE EDITION)
I Know It's Over (live - THE QUEEN IS DEAD DELUXE EDITION)

10.1986 London, Mayfair Studios (produced by Morrissey, Marr & Stephen Street) (with Crain Gannon on rhythm guitar)
Half A Person (THE WORLD WON'T LISTEN)
London (THE WORLD WON'T LISTEN)
You Just Haven't Earned It Yet Baby (THE WORLD WON'T LISTEN)
You Just Havent' Earned It Yet Baby (alternate version - LOUDER THAN WORDS)

1986 The Queen Is Dead Deluxe Edition Bonus Audio Contents (CONCERTS) (with Crain Gannon on rhythm guitar, except on Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others)
The Queen Is Dead (live Irvine 28/08 - The Queen Is Dead Live Audio Streaming)
Frankly Mr. Shankly (live Milwaukee 16/08 - The Queen Is Dead Live Audio Streaming)
I Know It's Over (live Universal City 25/08 - The Queen Is Dead Live Audio Streaming)
Never Had No One Ever (live Nottingham 21/10 - The Queen Is Dead Live Audio Streaming)
Cemetry Gates (live Manchester 30/10 - The Queen Is Dead Live Audio Streaming)
Bigmouth Strikes Again (live Berkeley 23/08 - The Queen Is Dead Live Audio Streaming)
The Boy With The Thorn In His Side (live New Orleans 08/09 - The Queen Is Dead Live Audio Streaming)
Vicar In A Tutu (live Ontario 30/07 - The Queen Is Dead Live Audio Streaming)
There Is A Light That Never Goes Out (live Chicago 15/08 - The Queen Is Dead Live Audio Streaming)

23.10.1986 Kilburn, National Ballroom (CONCERT) (with Crain Gannon on rhythm guitar)
The Queen Is Dead (live - RANK)
Panic (live - RANK)
Vicar In A Tutu (live - RANK)
Ask (live - RANK)
His Latest Flame/Rusholme Ruffians (live - RANK)
The Boy With The Thorn In His Side (live - RANK)
What She Said/Rubber Ring (live - RANK)
Is It Really So Strange? (live - RANK)
Cemetry Gates (live - RANK)
London (live - RANK)
I Know It's Over (live - RANK)
The Draize Train (live - RANK)
Still Ill (live - RANK)
Bigmouth Strikes Again (live - RANK)
There Is A Light That Never Goes Out (live - BBC Radio Broadcast)
Frankly, Mr. Shankly (live - BBC Radio Broadcast)
How Soon Is Now? (live - BBC Radio Broadcast)

11.1986 London, Trident Studios (produced by Johnny Marr)
Shoplifters Of The World Unite (instrumental studio outtake - LEAKED)
Shoplifters Of The World Unite (instrumental demo - DEMOS & OUTTAKES)
Shoplifters Of The World Unite (THE WORLD WON'T LISTEN)

02.12.1986 London, BBC Studios (produced by John Porter)
Half A Person (Peel session - LEAKED)
Is It Really So Strange (Peel session - LOUDER THAN WORDS)
London (Peel session - LEAKED)
Sweet And Tender Hooligan (Peel session - LOURDER THAN BOMBS)

12.12.1986 London, Brixton Academy (CONCERT) (The Smiths' last concert)
Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others (live - THERE IS A LIGHT THAT NEVER GOES OUT CD1)

early 01.1987 London, Matrix Studios (produced by John Porter)
Sheila Take A Bow (sitar version - DEMOS & OUTTAKES)

01.1987 London, Good Earth Studios (produced by Stephen Street)
Girlfriend In A Coma (monitor mix - DEMOS & OUTTAKES)
I Started Something I Couldn't Finish (instrumental jam - unreleased)
Stop Me If You Think You've Heard This One Before (instrumental jam - unreleased)
Sheila Take A Bow (LOUDER THAN BOMBS)

23.02.1987 "THE WORLD WON'T LISTEN" COMPILATION RELEASED

16.03.1987 "LOUDER THAN BOMBS" COMPILATION RELEASED

03/04.1987 Bath, Wool Hall Studios (produced by Stephen Street)
Death At One's Elbow (STRANGEWAYS, HERE WE COME)
Death Of A Disco Dancer monitor mix - DEMOS & OUTTAKES
Death Of A Disco Dancer (STRANGEWAYS, HERE WE COME)
Girlfriend In A Coma (STRANGEWAYS, HERE WE COME)
Heavy Track (edited instrumental demo - DEMOS & OUTTAKES)
Heavy Track (full instrumental demo - unreleased)
Heavy Track (alternate instrumental demo - unreleased)
I Started Something I Couldn't Finish (studio outtake - unreleased)
I Started Something I Couldn't Finish (STRANGEWAYS, HERE WE COME)
I Won't Share You (STRANGEWAYS, HERE WE COME)
Last Night I Dreamt That Somebody Loved Me (STRANGEWAYS, HERE WE COME)
Last Night I Dreamt That Somebody Loved Me (single edit - 7")
Paint A Vulgar Picture (monitor mix - DEMOS & OUTTAKES)
Paint A Vulgar Picture (studio outtake - LEAKED)
Paint A Vulgar Picture (STRANGEWAYS, HERE WE COME)
A Rush And A Push And The Land Is Ours (STRANGEWAYS, HERE WE COME)
Stop Me If You Think You've Heard This One Before (STRANGEWAYS, HERE WE COME)
Stop Me If You Think You've Heard This One Before (alternate mix - EU single)
Unhappy Birthday (STRANGEWAYS, HERE WE COME)

05.1987 Streatham, Firehouse Studios (produced by Grant Showbiz)
I Keep Mine Hidden (GIRLFRIEND IN A COMA single)
I Keep Mine Hidden (alternate version - COMPLETE box set)
Now And Then There's A Fool Such As I (unfinished outtake - unreleased)
Streatham #1 (instrumental demo - unreleased)
Streatham #2 (instrumental demo - unreleased)
Work Is A Four-Letter Word (GIRLFRIEND IN A COMA single)
Work Is A Four-Letter Word (edited version - GIRLFRIEND IN A COMA 7")
You Don't Know Anything (unfinished demo - unreleased)

08.1987 Johnny Marr left The Smiths

08.1987 Willesden, London, Power Plant Studios (produced by Stephen Street). (Morrissey, Rourke & Joyce with Ivor Perry, final studio session)
Untitled (instrumental demo - unreleased)
Bengali In Platforms (unreleased)

28.09.1987 "STRANGEWAYS, HERE WE COME" ALBUM RELEASED. The Smiths ceased to exist.
Is there not an Alternate mix of the Troy Tate Pretty Girls Make Graves?
 
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I hope and believe that someone could find it interesting to have this informations at hand all together.
If anyone finds any inaccuracies or omissions, please let me know. Thank You.


05/06.1982 Manchester, Johnny Marr's House (produced by Johnny Marr)
The Hand That Rocks The Cradle (home demo - unreleased)
Don't Blow Your Own Horn (home demo - unreleased)

08.1982 Manchester, Johnny Marr's House (produced by Johnny Marr)
I Want A Boy For My Birthday (excerpt demo - LEAKED)
I Want A Boy For My Birthday (full version demo - DALE HIBBERT YOUTUBE)

08.1982 Manchester, Decibel Studios
The Hand That Rocks The Cradle (demo - DALE HIBBERT YOUTUBE)
Suffer Little Children (demo - DALE HIBBERT YOUTUBE)

12.1982 Manchester, Drone Studios
Handsome Devil (EMI demo - unreleased)
Miserable Lie (EMI demo - unreleased)
What Difference Does It Make? (EMI demo - unreleased)

04.02.1983 Manchester, Hacienda (CONCERT)
Handsome Devil (live - HAND IN GLOVE single)

27.02.1983 Stockport, Strawberry Studios -
Hand In Glove (single version - HATFUL OF HOLLOW)
Hand In Glove (remixed by John Porter - THE SMITHS)

18.05.1983 London, BBC Studios (produced by Roger Pusey)
Handsome Devil (Peel session - HATFUL OF HOLLOW)
Miserable Lie (Peel session - PEEL SESSIONS EP)
Reel Around The Fountain (Peel session - HATFUL OF HOLLOW)
What Difference Does It Make? (Peel session - HATFUL OF HOLLOW)

05.1983 Manchester, Crazy Face jeans warehouse (produced by Joe Moss)
A Matter Of Opinion (rehearsal - unreleased)
You’ve Got Everything Now (rehearsal - LEAKED)
Accept Yourself (rehearsal - LEAKED)
What Difference Does It Make? (rehearsal - LEAKED)
Reel Around The Fountain (rehearsal - LEAKED)
These Things Take Time (rehearsal - LEAKED)
I Don't Owe You Anything (rehearsal - LEAKED)
Hand In Glove (rehearsal - LEAKED)
Handsome Devil (rehearsal - LEAKED)
Miserable Lie (rehearsal - LEAKED)

26.06.1983 London, BBC Session (produced by Dale Griffin)
These Things Take Time (Jensen session - HATFUL OF HOLLOW)
Wonderful Woman (Jensen session - LEAKED)
You've Got Everything Now (Jensen session - HATFUL OF HOLLOW)

29.06.1983 London, Brixton Ace (CONCERT)
Hand In Glove (live - THERE IS A LIGHT THAT NEVER GOES OUT CD1)

07/08.1983 London, Elephant Studios (produced by Troy Tate)
Accept Yourself (Troy Tate version #1 - LEAKED)
Accept Yourself (Troy Tate version #2 - LEAKED)
Hand In Glove (Troy Tate version - LEAKED)
Hand In Glove (Troy Tate version alternate mix - LEAKED)
The Hand That Rocks The Cradle (Troy Tate version - LEAKED)
Handsome Devil (Troy Tate version - LEAKED)
Handsome Devil (Troy Tate version alternate mix - LEAKED)
I Don't Owe You Anything (Troy Tate version - LEAKED)
I Don't Owe You Anything (Troy Tate version alternate mix - LEAKED)
Jeane (Troy Tate version - LEAKED)
Jeane (remixed - THIS CHARMING MAN 7")
Miserable Lie (Troy Tate version - LEAKED)
Miserable Lie (Troy Tate version alternate mix - LEAKED)
Pretty Girls Make Graves (Troy Tate version - I STARTED SOMETHING I COULDN'T FINISH single)
Reel Around The Fountain (Troy Tate version - COMPLETE box set)
Reel Around The Fountain (Troy Tate version alternate mix - LEAKED)
Suffer Little Children (Troy Tate version - LEAKED)
Suffer Little Children (Troy Tate version alternate mix - LEAKED)
These Things Take Time (Troy Tate version - LEAKED)
What Difference Does It Make? (Troy Tate version #1 - LEAKED)
What Difference Does It Make? (Troy Tate version #1 alternate mix - LEAKED)
What Difference Does It Make? (Troy Tate version #2 - LEAKED)
Wonderful Woman (Troy Tate version - LEAKED)
Wonderful Woman (Troy Tate version alternate mix - LEAKED)
You've Got Everything Now (Troy Tate version - LEAKED)
You've Got Everything Now Troy Tate version alternate mix - LEAKED)

25.08.1983 London, BBC Studios (produced by David Jensen)
Accept Yourself (BBC session - HATFUL OF HOLLOW)
I Don't Owe You Anything (BBC session - LEAKED)
Pretty Girls Make Graves (BBC session - LEAKED)
Reel Around The Fountain (BBC session - LEAKED)

14.09.1983 London, BBC Studios (produced by Roger Pusey)
Back To The Old House (Peel session - HATFUL OF HOLLOW)
Still Ill (Peel session - HATFUL OF HOLLOW)
This Charming Man (Peel session - HATFUL OF HOLLOW)
This Night Has Opened My Eyes (Peel session - HATFUL OF HOLLOW)

09.1983 London, Matrix Studios (produced by John Porter)
Accept Yourself (THIS CHARMING MAN single)
Still Ill (instrumental backing track - THE SMITHS)
This Charming Man (London version - THIS CHARMING MAN single)
Wonderful Woman (THIS CHARMING MAN single)

10.1983 Stockport, Strawberry Studio (produced by John Porter)
This Charming Man (Manchester version - THE SMITHS)

mid 10.1983 Manchester, Pluto Studios (produced by John Porter)
Back To The Old House (LOUDER THAN WORDS)
The Hand That Rocks The Cradle (monitor mix - DEMOS & OUTTAKES)
The Hand That Rocks The Cradle (THE SMITHS)
I Don't Owe You Anything (fast version - unreleased)
I Don't Owe You Anything (THE SMITHS)
Miserable Lie (THE SMITHS)
Pretty Girls Make Graves (THE SMITHS)
Reel Around The Fountain (THE SMITHS)
Still Ill (vocals - THE SMITHS)
Suffer Little Children (THE SMITHS)
These Things Take Time (LOUDER THAN BOMBS)
What Difference Does It Make? (THE SMITHS)
You've Got Everything Now (THE SMITHS)

11.1983 London, Eden Studios
THE SMITHS album additional mixing

late 1983 Manchester, Johnny Marr's House (produced by Johnny Marr)
Well I Wonder (instrumental home demo - unreleased)

02.1984 London, Matrix Studios (produced by John Porter)
Hand In Glove (w/ Sandie Shaw - HAND IN GLOVE single)
Hand In Glove (w/ Sandie Shaw - alternate mix - THE SMITHS Japan CD)
I Don't Owe You Anything (w/ Sandie Shaw - HAND IN GLOVE single)
Jeane (w/ Sandie Shaw - HAND IN GLOVE single)

20.02.1984 "THE SMITHS" ALBUM RELEASED

02.03.1984 Glasgow, University (CONCERT)
Girl Afraid (live - DEPARTMENT OF ENJOYMENT VV.AA.)

03.1984 London, Fallout Shelter (produced by John Porter)
Girl Afraid (HATFUL OF HOLLOW)
Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now (HATFUL OF HOLLOW)
Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now (longer version - HEAVEN KNOWS I'M MISERABLE NOW 12")

14.04.1984 London, Saturday Live BBC Studios
I Don't Owe You Anything (w/ Sandie Shaw - LEAKED)
Jeane (w/ Sandie Shaw - LEAKED)

04.1984 London, Powerhouse Studios (produced by Geoff Travis)
This Charming Man (Amanda Malone version - unreleased)
Girl Afraid (Amanda Malone version - unreleased)

07.1984 London, Jam Studios (produced by John Porter)
Fast One (instrumental demo edited - LEAKED)
Fast One (instrumental full demo - unreleased)
How Soon Is Now? (HATFUL OF HOLLOW)
How Soon Is Now? (edited single version - HOW SOON IS NOW? 7" single)
How Soon Is Now? (Phil Brown edit - HOW SOON IS NOW? US 7" single)
How Soon Is Now? (unfinished studio outtake - WILLIAM IT WAS REALLY NOTHING italian 12")
Nowhere Fast (intended single version - unreleased)
Rusholme Ruffians (electric version - DEMOS & OUTTAKES)
This Night Has Opened My Eyes (studio version - DEMOS & OUTTAKES)
Please, Please, Let Me Get What I Want (HATFUL OF HOLLOW)
Well I Wonder (instrumental demo - unreleased)
William, It Was Really Nothing (HATFUL OF HOLLOW)

01.08.1984 London, BBC Studios (produced by John Porter)
How Soon Is Now? (Peel session - unreleased(
Nowhere Fast (Peel session - LAST NIGHT I DREAMT THAT SOMEBODY LOVED ME single)
Rusholme Ruffians (Peel session - LAST NIGHT I DREAMT THAT SOMEBODY LOVED ME single)
William, It Was Really Nothing (Peel session - LAST NIGHT I DREAMT THAT SOMEBODY LOVED ME single)

10.1984 Liverpool, Amazon Studios (produced by Morrissey & Marr)
Barbarism Begins At Home (early demo - unreleased)
Barbarism Begins At Home (MEAT IS MURDER)
Barbarism Begins At Home (Phil Brown edit - BARBARISM BEGINS AT HOME 7" single)
The Headmaster Ritual (studio outtake - unreleased)
The Headmaster Ritual (MEAT IS MURDER)
The Headmaster Ritual (Phil Brown edit - THE HEADMASTER RITUAL 7" single)
I Want The One I Can't Have (studio outtake - unreleased)
I Want The One I Can't Have (MEAT IS MURDER)
Meat Is Murder (studio outtake - unreleased)
Meat Is Murder (MEAT IS MURDER)
Nowhere Fast (MEAT IS MURDER)
Rusholme Ruffians (MEAT IS MURDER)
That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore (studio outtake - unreleased)
That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore (MEAT IS MURDER)
Well I Wonder (MEAT IS MURDER)
What She Said (studio outtake - unreleased)
What She Said (MEAT IS MURDER)

12.11.1984 "HATFUL OF HOLLOW" COMPILATION RELEASED

11.1984 Surrey, Ridge Farm
MEAT IS MURDER album overdubs

12.1984 London, Fallout Shelter
MEAT IS MURDER album final mixes
I Misses You (edited instrumental demo - DEMOS & OUTTAKES)
I Misses You (full instrumental demo - unreleased)
Never Had No One Ever (instrumental demo - unreleased)

01.1985 Surrey, Ridge Farm Studios (produced by Morrissey & Marr)
Oscillate Wildly (studio outtake - unreleased)
Oscillate Wildly (THE WORLD WON'T LISTEN)
Shakespeare's Sister (studio outtake - unreleased)

01.1985 Primrose Hill, Utopia Studios (produced by Morrissey & Marr)
Shakespeare's Sister (THE WORLD WON'T LISTEN)
Stretch Out And Wait (LOUDER THAN BOMBS)
Stretch Out And Wait (alternate version - THE WORLD WON'T LISTEN)

11.02.1985 "MEAT IS MURDER" ALBUM RELEASED

18.03.1985 Oxford, Apollo Theatre (CONCERT)
Nowhere Fast (live - THAT JOKE ISN'T FUNNY ANYMORE single)
Stretch Out And Wait (live - THAT JOKE ISN'T FUNNY ANYMORE single)
Shakespeare's Sister (live - THAT JOKE ISN'T FUNNY ANYMORE single)
Meat Is Murder (live - THAT JOKE ISN'T FUNNY ANYMORE single)
What She Said (live - NME Poll Winners vv.aa. 7")
Miserable Lie (live - Rough Trade Compilation vv.aa. LP)
William It Was Really Nothing (live - Meat Is Murder Live Promo EP)

27.06.1985 Los Angeles, Hollywood Palladium (CONCERT)
Shakespeare's Sister (live - Rarities Volume 2 aa.vv. Promo CD)

08.1985 Manchester, Drone Studios (produced by Morrissey & Marr)
The Boy With The Thorn In His Side studio (demo - THE QUEEN IS DEAD DELUXE EDITION)
The Boy With The Thorn In His Side (original mix - THE WORLD WON'T LISTEN)
Rubber Ring (early version - THE BOY WITH THE THORN IN HIS SIDE 2017 single)

08/09.1985 London, RAK Studios (produced by Morrissey & Marr)
Asleep (THE WORLD WON'T LISTEN)
Bigmouth Strikes Again (studio outtake with Kirsty MacColl - unreleased)
Bigmouth Strikes Again (demo edited - THE QUEEN IS DEAD DELUXE EDITION)
Bigmouth Strikes Again (demo full version - LEAKED)
Bigmouth Strikes Again (THE QUEEN IS DEAD)
Frankly, Mr. Shankly (demo - THE QUEEN IS DEAD DELUXE EDITION)
I Know It's Over (demo - THE QUEEN IS DEAD DELUXE EDITION)
I Know It's Over (instrumental backing track - THE QUEEN IS DEAD)
Never Had No One Ever take (demo - THE QUEEN IS DEAD DELUXE EDITION)
Never Had No One Ever (instrumental backing track - THE QUEEN IS DEAD)
Rubber Ring studio (outtake - LEAKED)
Rubber Ring (THE WORLD WON'T LISTEN)
Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others (demo edited - THE QUEEN IS DEAD DELUXE EDITION)
Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others (demo full version - LEAKED)
There Is A Light That Never Goes Out (demo - THE QUEEN IS DEAD DELUXE EDITION)
Unloveable (studio outtake - LEAKED)

10/11.1985 Farnham, Jacobs Studios (produced by Morrissey & Marr)
The Boy With The Thorn In His Side (remix - THE QUEEN IS DEAD)
Cemetry Gates (demo - THE QUEEN IS DEAD DELUXE EDITION)
Cemetry Gates (monitor mix - unreleased)
Cemetry Gates (THE QUEEN IS DEAD)
Frankly, Mr. Shankly (studio outtake with horns - DEMOS & OUTTAKES)
I Know It's Over (vocals - THE QUEEN IS DEAD)
Never Had No One Ever (studio outtake with trumpet - unreleased)
Never Had No One Ever (vocals - THE QUEEN IS DEAD)
The Queen Is Dead (instrumental demo - LEAKED)
The Queen Is Dead (full lenght version - THE QUEEN IS DEAD DELUXE EDITION)
The Queen Is Dead full lenght version w/ intro - DEMOS & OUTTAKES)
The Queen Is Dead (THE QUEEN IS DEAD)
Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others (THE QUEEN IS DEAD)
Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others (alternate mix - SOME GIRLS ARE BIGGER THAN OTHERS 7")
Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others (instrumental mix - LEAKED)
There Is A Light That Never Goes Out (THE QUEEN IS DEAD)
Unloveable (THE WORLD WON'T LISTEN)
Vicar In A Tutu (alternate mix - unreleased)
Vicar In A Tutu (demo instrumental - LEAKED)
Vicar In A Tutu (THE QUEEN IS DEAD)

12.1985 London, Wessex Studios (produced by John Porter)
Frankly, Mr. Shankly (THE QUEEN IS DEAD)
Money Changes Everything (THE WORLD WON'T LISTEN)

05.1986 London, Livingston Studios (produced by John Porter) (with Crain Gannon on rhythm guitar)
The Draize Train (PANIC 12" single)
Panic (THE WORLD WON'T LISTEN)
Sweet Tender Hooligan (slower studio outtake - unreleased)

16.06.1986 "THE QUEEN IS DEAD" ALBUM RELEASED

06.1986 London, Jam Studios (produced by John Porter) (with Crain Gannon on rhythm guitar)
Ask (first version - DEMOS & OUTTAKES)
Ask (THE WORLD WON'T LISTEN)
Golden Lights (pre-mix version - unreleased)
Golden Lights (THE WORLD WON'T LISTEN)
Is It Really So Strange? (intended single version - DEMOS & OUTTAKES)

05.08.1986 Boston, Great Woods (CONCERT) (with Crain Gannon on rhythm guitar)
How Soon Is Now? (live - THE QUEEN IS DEAD DELUXE EDITION)
Hand In Glove (live - THE QUEEN IS DEAD DELUXE EDITION)
I Want The One I Can't Have (live - THE QUEEN IS DEAD DELUXE EDITION)
Never Had No One Ever (live - THE QUEEN IS DEAD DELUXE EDITION)
Stretch Out And Wait (live - THE QUEEN IS DEAD DELUXE EDITION)
The Boy With The Thorn In His Side (live - THE QUEEN IS DEAD DELUXE EDITION)
Cemetry Gates (live - THE QUEEN IS DEAD DELUXE EDITION)
Rubber Ring/What She Said/Rubber Ring (live - THE QUEEN IS DEAD DELUXE EDITION)
Is It Really So Strange? (live - THE QUEEN IS DEAD DELUXE EDITION)
There Is A Light That Never Goes Out (live - THE QUEEN IS DEAD DELUXE EDITION)
That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore (live - THE QUEEN IS DEAD DELUXE EDITION)
The Queen Is Dead (live - THE QUEEN IS DEAD DELUXE EDITION)
I Know It's Over (live - THE QUEEN IS DEAD DELUXE EDITION)

10.1986 London, Mayfair Studios (produced by Morrissey, Marr & Stephen Street) (with Crain Gannon on rhythm guitar)
Half A Person (THE WORLD WON'T LISTEN)
London (THE WORLD WON'T LISTEN)
You Just Haven't Earned It Yet Baby (THE WORLD WON'T LISTEN)
You Just Havent' Earned It Yet Baby (alternate version - LOUDER THAN WORDS)

1986 The Queen Is Dead Deluxe Edition Bonus Audio Contents (CONCERTS) (with Crain Gannon on rhythm guitar, except on Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others)
The Queen Is Dead (live Irvine 28/08 - The Queen Is Dead Live Audio Streaming)
Frankly Mr. Shankly (live Milwaukee 16/08 - The Queen Is Dead Live Audio Streaming)
I Know It's Over (live Universal City 25/08 - The Queen Is Dead Live Audio Streaming)
Never Had No One Ever (live Nottingham 21/10 - The Queen Is Dead Live Audio Streaming)
Cemetry Gates (live Manchester 30/10 - The Queen Is Dead Live Audio Streaming)
Bigmouth Strikes Again (live Berkeley 23/08 - The Queen Is Dead Live Audio Streaming)
The Boy With The Thorn In His Side (live New Orleans 08/09 - The Queen Is Dead Live Audio Streaming)
Vicar In A Tutu (live Ontario 30/07 - The Queen Is Dead Live Audio Streaming)
There Is A Light That Never Goes Out (live Chicago 15/08 - The Queen Is Dead Live Audio Streaming)

23.10.1986 Kilburn, National Ballroom (CONCERT) (with Crain Gannon on rhythm guitar)
The Queen Is Dead (live - RANK)
Panic (live - RANK)
Vicar In A Tutu (live - RANK)
Ask (live - RANK)
His Latest Flame/Rusholme Ruffians (live - RANK)
The Boy With The Thorn In His Side (live - RANK)
What She Said/Rubber Ring (live - RANK)
Is It Really So Strange? (live - RANK)
Cemetry Gates (live - RANK)
London (live - RANK)
I Know It's Over (live - RANK)
The Draize Train (live - RANK)
Still Ill (live - RANK)
Bigmouth Strikes Again (live - RANK)
There Is A Light That Never Goes Out (live - BBC Radio Broadcast)
Frankly, Mr. Shankly (live - BBC Radio Broadcast)
How Soon Is Now? (live - BBC Radio Broadcast)

11.1986 London, Trident Studios (produced by Johnny Marr)
Shoplifters Of The World Unite (instrumental studio outtake - LEAKED)
Shoplifters Of The World Unite (instrumental demo - DEMOS & OUTTAKES)
Shoplifters Of The World Unite (THE WORLD WON'T LISTEN)

02.12.1986 London, BBC Studios (produced by John Porter)
Half A Person (Peel session - LEAKED)
Is It Really So Strange (Peel session - LOUDER THAN WORDS)
London (Peel session - LEAKED)
Sweet And Tender Hooligan (Peel session - LOURDER THAN BOMBS)

12.12.1986 London, Brixton Academy (CONCERT) (The Smiths' last concert)
Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others (live - THERE IS A LIGHT THAT NEVER GOES OUT CD1)

early 01.1987 London, Matrix Studios (produced by John Porter)
Sheila Take A Bow (sitar version - DEMOS & OUTTAKES)

01.1987 London, Good Earth Studios (produced by Stephen Street)
Girlfriend In A Coma (monitor mix - DEMOS & OUTTAKES)
I Started Something I Couldn't Finish (instrumental jam - unreleased)
Stop Me If You Think You've Heard This One Before (instrumental jam - unreleased)
Sheila Take A Bow (LOUDER THAN BOMBS)

23.02.1987 "THE WORLD WON'T LISTEN" COMPILATION RELEASED

16.03.1987 "LOUDER THAN BOMBS" COMPILATION RELEASED

03/04.1987 Bath, Wool Hall Studios (produced by Stephen Street)
Death At One's Elbow (STRANGEWAYS, HERE WE COME)
Death Of A Disco Dancer monitor mix - DEMOS & OUTTAKES
Death Of A Disco Dancer (STRANGEWAYS, HERE WE COME)
Girlfriend In A Coma (STRANGEWAYS, HERE WE COME)
Heavy Track (edited instrumental demo - DEMOS & OUTTAKES)
Heavy Track (full instrumental demo - unreleased)
Heavy Track (alternate instrumental demo - unreleased)
I Started Something I Couldn't Finish (studio outtake - unreleased)
I Started Something I Couldn't Finish (STRANGEWAYS, HERE WE COME)
I Won't Share You (STRANGEWAYS, HERE WE COME)
Last Night I Dreamt That Somebody Loved Me (STRANGEWAYS, HERE WE COME)
Last Night I Dreamt That Somebody Loved Me (single edit - 7")
Paint A Vulgar Picture (monitor mix - DEMOS & OUTTAKES)
Paint A Vulgar Picture (studio outtake - LEAKED)
Paint A Vulgar Picture (STRANGEWAYS, HERE WE COME)
A Rush And A Push And The Land Is Ours (STRANGEWAYS, HERE WE COME)
Stop Me If You Think You've Heard This One Before (STRANGEWAYS, HERE WE COME)
Stop Me If You Think You've Heard This One Before (alternate mix - EU single)
Unhappy Birthday (STRANGEWAYS, HERE WE COME)

05.1987 Streatham, Firehouse Studios (produced by Grant Showbiz)
I Keep Mine Hidden (GIRLFRIEND IN A COMA single)
I Keep Mine Hidden (alternate version - COMPLETE box set)
Now And Then There's A Fool Such As I (unfinished outtake - unreleased)
Streatham #1 (instrumental demo - unreleased)
Streatham #2 (instrumental demo - unreleased)
Work Is A Four-Letter Word (GIRLFRIEND IN A COMA single)
Work Is A Four-Letter Word (edited version - GIRLFRIEND IN A COMA 7")
You Don't Know Anything (unfinished demo - unreleased)

08.1987 Johnny Marr left The Smiths

08.1987 Willesden, London, Power Plant Studios (produced by Stephen Street). (Morrissey, Rourke & Joyce with Ivor Perry, final studio session)
Untitled (instrumental demo - unreleased)
Bengali In Platforms (unreleased)

28.09.1987 "STRANGEWAYS, HERE WE COME" ALBUM RELEASED. The Smiths ceased to exist.
Anyone got the mp3's of the following:

14.04.1984 London, Saturday Live BBC Studios
I Don't Owe You Anything (w/ Sandie Shaw - LEAKED)
Jeane (w/ Sandie Shaw - LEAKED)

27.06.1985 Los Angeles, Hollywood Palladium (CONCERT)
Shakespeare's Sister (live - Rarities Volume 2 aa.vv. Promo CD)

The Boy With The Thorn In His Side (original mix - THE WORLD WON'T LISTEN)

Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others (demo full version - LEAKED)

Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others (alternate mix - SOME GIRLS ARE BIGGER THAN OTHERS 7")

There Is A Light That Never Goes Out (live - BBC Radio Broadcast)
Frankly, Mr. Shankly (live - BBC Radio Broadcast)
How Soon Is Now? (live - BBC Radio Broadcast)

Stop Me If You Think You've Heard This One Before (alternate mix - EU single)
 

Dirk Blaggard

Well-Known Member
An interesting anecdote from Moz, which leaves me wondering (again) why he chose and persisted with such poor musicians, even though they did improve. A man of his status, choosing a band that actually embarrassed him - it's bizarre.
Power isn't it?
M is like one of those people who goes out with people way beneath him in looks and or money/success. That was he has more control
 
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