"The Severed Alliance" by Johnny Rogan - 20th Anniversary Edition out now

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Discussion in 'General Discussion archive 2012 (read-only)' started by thecondy, Jun 19, 2012.

    1. Thesmithsmorrissey
      Thesmithsmorrissey
    2. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      I can't see it on Amazon. Can only see the old edition. At least the new one has both Morrissey AND Marr on the cover, even if it's a lousy photo. Still, don't judge a book by its cover. Although in this case...
    3. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      Re: Article: "The Severed Alliance" by Johnny Rogan - 20th Anniversary Edition out no

      Well it tells you the political circumstances faced by his grandparents, then goes to explain the reasons behind his parents' (and Marr's/Joyces's) emigration to England... the rest follows.
    4. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      Re: Article: "The Severed Alliance" by Johnny Rogan - 20th Anniversary Edition out no


      ... in which you'll discover that Johnny Rogan (who appears in his own index!!) 'has no email address, internet facility, mobile phone, credit card, bank card, DVD, video, fridge freezer, dish washer, car or any other vehicle, but has a late afternoon routine of scouring local supermarkets in search of out of date food at bargain prices.' Now there's an incentive to read his work!
    5. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      Re: Article: "The Severed Alliance" by Johnny Rogan - 20th Anniversary Edition out no

      Bollocks - it's a bunch of cut and paste from a high school history book. This is pseudo-background that is too general and remote to tell us anything meaningful about his grandparents' lives, let alone The Smiths. It's then downhill all the tedious, plodding ("it reminds me of the time I showed my fingernails to X") way.
    6. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      "Much thicker than the last edition"

      Blimey. How much more dimwitted can it get?
    7. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      Re: Article: "The Severed Alliance" by Johnny Rogan - 20th Anniversary Edition out no


      he does have e-mail because I've exchanged several with him.
    8. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      Re: Article: "The Severed Alliance" by Johnny Rogan - 20th Anniversary Edition out no

      Not so. The political/economic upheavals, civil war, De Valera's Gaelicization policy, the redevelopment of Dublin and movement of families to houses in Crumlin all had an effect on the Morrissey family culminating in emigration to Manchester.
    9. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      Re: Article: "The Severed Alliance" by Johnny Rogan - 20th Anniversary Edition out no

      There's something so unsexy about Rogan's writing.
    10. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      Re: Article: "The Severed Alliance" by Johnny Rogan - 20th Anniversary Edition out no

      And these events affected all people in Ireland at that time identically? No - I agree with the earlier poster, these are remote generalities culled from a school textbook - which "say nothing to me about their lives"
    11. joe frady
      joe frady
      Re: Article: "The Severed Alliance" by Johnny Rogan - 20th Anniversary Edition out no

      50 pages of "Endnotes"! ~ footnotes in anyone elses language. 11 page 20th Anniversary Preface ~ in which we finally get the full, unexpurgated TRUTH behind Morrissey's M3 pile-up quote (it involves Fred Dellar, NME and a fax machine - I could say more were it not for the fact that I've forgotten the rest as it's so hellishly uninteresting), a few extra pages on the court case, the promise of additional material throughout the book (I'll take Johnny's word for it) and nowt beyond 1996/High Court.

      I remember liking it 20 years back, cos I knew sod all back then, but honestly the guy writes like an OCD case. The new preface was enough to send me back to Gavin Hopps for a little light relief. No pics now neither.
    12. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      Re: Article: "The Severed Alliance" by Johnny Rogan - 20th Anniversary Edition out no

      Well, yes, we're talking about mass emigration here. It had a profound effect on families throughout Ireland. Plus, it's ludicrous to suggest, as the previous poster did, that it's 'high school textbook' (spot the out of place Americanism!) in origin. No such books exist that combine a social history of Crumlin/Dublin, complete with first hand testimonies and reminiscences of growing up there, alongside economic/political discussion of material some actually taken from the private sessions of the Dail. Hardly standard school textbook stuff is it? If it wasn't for this complex history there'd be no Morrissey/Manchester connection and, ultimately, no Smiths.
    13. 123xyz
      123xyz
      Re: Article: "The Severed Alliance" by Johnny Rogan - 20th Anniversary Edition out no


      Thanks for posting this. Much as you did, I liked this book when it first appeared. There really was fuck-all in the way of Moz-information back then. I think I first began to recoil from Rogan when it finally dawned on me that so many of the unattributed (in the main text) Moz quotes were simply ancient postcard/letter/etc. remarks. To not give proper dates or details or general context to these struck me as quite sly and disingenuous.


      Oh well, it now looks certain I won't be thumbing through updated material on that schoolmate-of-Morrisseys-shitting-in-schooldesk episode or about the night the teenaged Moz went (gasp!) sleepwalking into the next room ...


      I shouldn't really take that tone - it isn't as though the 1st ed. was mean-spirited or ugly or anything that terrible...
      Last edited: Jun 25, 2012
    14. Thesmithsmorrissey
      Thesmithsmorrissey
      Re: Article: "The Severed Alliance" by Johnny Rogan - 20th Anniversary Edition out no

      This was covered in the first edition 20 years ago

      so feel free to step into the present with your insightfulness any day now.
    15. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      Re: Article: "The Severed Alliance" by Johnny Rogan - 20th Anniversary Edition out no

      Fair enough - but none of this 'complex history' finds its way into Rogan's book, in which the background material is like the disjointed footage that's played behind stationary cars in old films.
    16. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      Re: Article: "The Severed Alliance" by Johnny Rogan - 20th Anniversary Edition out no

      He's still the same dickhead
    17. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      Re: Article: "The Severed Alliance" by Johnny Rogan - 20th Anniversary Edition out no

      For someone who supposedly doesn't use the internet, Johnny's putting in a lot of hours trying to defend his book!
    18. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      Re: Article: "The Severed Alliance" by Johnny Rogan - 20th Anniversary Edition out no

      That's certainly up to date!!
    19. Thesmithsmorrissey
      Thesmithsmorrissey
      Re: Article: "The Severed Alliance" by Johnny Rogan - 20th Anniversary Edition out no

      and your point is?

      A lot of people are dickheads, for long periods of time in their lives. Most people from England are dickheads. That's why they drive on the wrong side of the road and use exorbitant currency. Johnny Rogan included

      But the guy knows his shit about The Smiths/Morrissey, as evidenced by the years he put into this book. You can't deny that
    20. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      Re: Article: "The Severed Alliance" by Johnny Rogan - 20th Anniversary Edition out no


      The fact that he's put years into it and gathered up cuttings like a nutty hoarder doesn't mean he can think or say anything interesting. One of my favorite stupidities is the bit where he writes about Morrissey's sleepwalking "It would be crass to speculate on his unconscious motivations" and then proceeds to do exactly that! Could it have been ... ?? Was he unconsciously ... ?? Perhaps he was ... ?? etc etc As if Rogan, the intellectual midget, could speak for the inside of Morrissey's head!!!

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