or maybe i just wanna think that because I have it inked on me
That's awesome.
And you just saved me the trouble of looking for a love/hate knuckle tattoo to post here.
That's awesome.
And you just saved me the trouble of looking for a love/hate knuckle tattoo to post here.
5am
well, maybe I am
I think you're wrong, or at least I hope you are.
This interpretation would have make it a quite transphobic song, which would have leave me truly disappointed.
Corrissey
lovable loser
That's awesome.
^^^^^^ hahahahaha!
How about this one? (Look closely...)
How about this one? (Look closely...)
sistasheila
tjekket
i just found some moz comments thts fits in to the discussion
1988:
I’ve always felt closer to transsexuality than anything else.
1997, when talking about the song ‘Alma Matters’:
I think it means that we should be pleased and proud of the female side of our character, of our nature. Or if we’re female, we should be proud of the male side of our character and give it just as much import as the other side. So, everything’s fine, it doesn’t matter how you behave.
on the other hand
1994 mtv interview
Sexuality really bores me. I mean, I have a very, very strange attitude, I just see men as men and women as women, and I don’t really go beyond that. I mean, some men I hate, some women I hate, some men I really like, some women I really hate, you know. I’m a very peculiar person
1988:
I’ve always felt closer to transsexuality than anything else.
1997, when talking about the song ‘Alma Matters’:
I think it means that we should be pleased and proud of the female side of our character, of our nature. Or if we’re female, we should be proud of the male side of our character and give it just as much import as the other side. So, everything’s fine, it doesn’t matter how you behave.
on the other hand
1994 mtv interview
Sexuality really bores me. I mean, I have a very, very strange attitude, I just see men as men and women as women, and I don’t really go beyond that. I mean, some men I hate, some women I hate, some men I really like, some women I really hate, you know. I’m a very peculiar person
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That's an interesting quote really and I kind of understand what he means.
triumphs&charms
Member
I've always thought it was a self-deprecating, autobiographical song about generally growing older.
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Dave
Guest
ok, I think it means that the person is two-faced or possibly is the type of person that creates drama, possibly slightly unbalanced, or moody, that talks about their friends to other people behind their backs.
sure. I don't happen to believe this for a second.
alright so...
Men: hate (-1) Women: hate (-1) Men: really like (+2) Women: really hate (-3)
final score: Men (+1) Women (-4)
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neonmad
一日三秋 (yírìsānqiū)
I couldn't help noticing that myself.alright so...
Men: hate (-1) Women: hate (-1) Men: really like (+2) Women: really hate (-3)
final score: Men (+1) Women (-4)
Purely hypothetical examples, Dave.
I love his laughter at the end.
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King Leer
Leering since '97
I've always thought Morrissey's lyrics were more literal and based on actual stories and people than many fans take them to be (not meaning they're any less poetic, mind).
I think at the end of the day he likes kitchen sink drama (mixed with a bit of "carry on" sex) filtered through his own unique way with words.
Partially playing devil's advocate here, but I do think The Operation is about something like a penis lengthening (or widening?) -- some kind of surgical procedure with results that would make someone's ego spin out of control. Always loved the track, obtuse drum solo and all.
I think at the end of the day he likes kitchen sink drama (mixed with a bit of "carry on" sex) filtered through his own unique way with words.
Partially playing devil's advocate here, but I do think The Operation is about something like a penis lengthening (or widening?) -- some kind of surgical procedure with results that would make someone's ego spin out of control. Always loved the track, obtuse drum solo and all.
Mozza220559
Surmontil 50
It's to do with boxing I think and the fact that there maybe a softer side to this particualar person, we don't know his sexualitly so it hangs in the balance and there is a bit of a grey area? Maybe i'm reading too much into it.
Stanley the 2nd
Active Member
"You fight with your right hand
And caress with your left hand "
I remember reading around the time of SG's release that this line was about a guitarist. Can't remember if it was fact though or just someone's opinion
And caress with your left hand "
I remember reading around the time of SG's release that this line was about a guitarist. Can't remember if it was fact though or just someone's opinion
iamkali62
New Member
YES! Someone else finally sees it! When "Southpaw" came out and I heard, "The Operation" I immediately thought of Pete Burns. I'm from the decade who saw him in his video, "Brand New Lover" and honey, he doesn't look ANYTHING like that anymore. He's like that scary woman who had too much plastic surgery and resembles a feral cat.
bhops
Last of the famous international screw ups.
I always took the song to be about Jake, sort of a Sunny Part One, or Part Two, take your pick.
Jake had tattoos, "everyone is sick to the tattoo of you", did a bit of boxing (alledgedly) "you fight with your right hand" and was rumoured to have had a drug problem, "what hell have they stuck into you" a reference to heroin and hanging around with the wrong crowd (the wrong crowd part being a common Moz theme over the years).
Also (and this part may be a stretch) I kinda thought the line about 'there's a tear a mile wide in the kite that your flying' was sort of a metaphor describing the comedowns after getting high. in other words you might be flying high now, but due to the way you're doing it (chemically) you're gonna come down to earth with a crash.
I'm not that obsessive about his subject matter or the Jake angle, i.e I don't think every song he writes about relationships is about his relationship with either Jake or Johnny for that matter, but I do think he's knocked out a fair few on the 'subject' particularly I'd suggest circa 1995 when Jake disappeared from view.
Like King Leer I think a lot of Morrissey's songs are a lot more 'actual' than a most fans think. i.e many of them are based on fragments of real life experience. Such as Swallow On My Neck (which has been dissected on these boards before) is not a metaphor for anything poetic rather it's simply about some guy actually giving him a hickey.
As for songs about Jake I'd say apart from The Operation (don't read too much into the title) you could throw in Sunny, Whatever Happens, Camden, Boyfriend (whoops!) I mean, Best Friend On The Payroll and Swallow On My neck as definites.
iamkali62
New Member
I couldn't help noticing that myself.
Purely hypothetical examples, Dave.
I love his laughter at the end.
I find it so sexy when he raises his eyebrows for emphasis!
bhops
Last of the famous international screw ups.
To be honest I've heard 2 theories about that song. Actually I've heard more than 22 theories on that song and it being about Alain's brother is one of them.
I've also heard that it was written about Jakes habit so I guess you can feel free to pick either theory.
It is sung in a very personal way (and while I'll admit that Moz has a fantastic ability to inhabit someone else's skin and sing intimately from their point of view) the personal and direct lyric of the song 'so i offered love and it was not required' makes me think that out of all the theories floating around it is more likely to be about Jake.
I'm also swayed due to the time frame it was written in: 1995 a year when he penned I think the majority of his Jake inspired songs.
It's interesting to me because if you really dissect the lyrics which lets face it, 99% of us do, in 1995 he stopped singing about homosexual longing and his songs started to alluding to homosexual fulfillment and even just sexual fulfillment which hadn't really happened before.
His songs in this era allueded to failed relations whereas morrissey songs previously discussed his failure to HAVE a relationship. Which when you think about it, especially in respect to Morrissey's celibacy and lyrical content of the previous 12 years is quite a seismic shift topic.
so Sunny for me is also a Jake song.
