The Official Tony Blair Is A f***ing Arsehole Thread

Don't you agree that this situation needs to be rectified?

too right. but it's never seems to change from one party to the next; i remember the cheers of joy and happiness when blair 1st got into power, i bet all the same people were on anti war marches and are now wanting him to 'go', because of the mess in iraq.
i don't know the solution, i wish there was one or is there one, with the NHS, housing, education... but conservative or labour were is the difference!
 
someone should sort out that child support thing, well they're getting rid of it now, but loads of families need that money and they seem to be doing very little about it.
 
TCOTC,

Capitalism does funny things to a person, although saying that it would be hypocritical if I was to slam the system that I am part of and the system in which I live in. I suppose just like socialism it has it's extremes and people like Bush and Blair are capitalist extremists whilst you could say people like Lenin and the Bolsheviks can be seen as extreme socialist thinkers.

I agree, Bush and Blair are so busy adding more carnage to the Middle East that they do not have time to stop and think about their contradictory opinions and views. It will bring Blair down as Bush cannot stand again as President, but who will stop the US, I hate to say it, but they are far to powerful to be bought down, I do like the US I just wish they were more reserved with their foriegn policy, they seem to think they are World Police and I find their foreign policy rather agressive.

Thank you. :)

The more you explore me!,

I find Labour had the right idea in the sense that their idea could work, if they weren't so inept, the third way ideology promotes the free market but also promotes social justice and Labour have been incomptent. Their polices are too vague, their politicians are inept, they contradict themselves constantly, they have had more scandals than David Lloyd George in his finals days in office. They do not spend the taxation widely and they'd much rather waste the budget on the Olympics and Trident than help old people survive harsh winters, then helping disadvantaged people become independent and self sufficient. The prison system is a joke, law and order is a joke.

How they have spent three terms in office is beyond me. :rolleyes:
 
This has been an interesting thread (apart from some off topic digs)

Tony Blair is indeed a 'f***ing arsehole'. However, he's not even the most odious member of the government, 'Dr' John Reid taking that title in my eyes.

The Iraq invasion is a nightmarish farce, with no peaceful solution possible. Which is depressing. If Blair, in some dream world, was ever tried as a war criminal, do you think they'd hold the trial at the new Wembly so we could all watch?!?!
 
I have two thoughts to the topic starter.

1. If it were up to you, the sane countries of the world would disarm while the insane countries acquire nukes. I'm glad I don't have to live under those circumstances.

2. He isn't "stealing" taxpayer money. Last I checked you have a democracy and such decisions are made by elected representatives.

And to this: people like Bush and Blair are capitalist extremists

I consider both of them too close to socialism, particularly Blair and his "third way," which certainly cannot be labeled "extreme" capitalism. Putting that aside, however, does it ever dawn on you that the UK's economy is in much better shape than the European countries that are even closer to socialism or are socialist? Call me crazy, but I enjoy living in a prosperous country with opportunities.
 
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I too like you find it hypocritical that Britain and the US accuses Iraq of having weapons of mass destruction when the US have weapons that could wipe half the world off the map in an instant.


Iraq was accused, and found guilty, by the United Nations of being in violation of each and every in a long line a resolutions against it stemming from Iraq's invasion and annexation of a UN sovereign member state, Kuwait. What he was supposed to do was be 100% transparent with what he had, what he destroyed, etc etc, by taking Hans Blix by the hand. He chose to play games. Don't play games with the USA, motherf***ers, or you'll hang. :) We gave him second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh chances and finally we had had enough. I suggest in the future that these dictators abide by cease fire agreements. Holding dictators to that seems perfectly fair to me, although if it had been up to me we'd have never had made such deals with that devil and would've toppled him over a decade ago. And, yes, I rejected people who tried to teach me to loath the West and always sympathize with its enemies.

Yes, we can wipe out half the world. but what we did with those weapons was to beat the Axis powers in the race to acquire them, transform Japan into a peaceful democracy and preserve the lives of countless American soldiers who would've had to invade it, and to win the Cold War which removed commie enslavement for hundreds of millions of people. And I believe there's a rather nice country called South Korea that would not exist as it is today if we didn't have a check on North Korea.

We'd all like to live in a world without nukes. Well, no, not everyone. Iran's mullahs don't wanna. North Korea's Kim Jong Mentally-Ill doesn't wanna. Saddam didn't wanna. I'll keep my country well armed, thank you very much. Because I don't want my future children living in a world where evil has the edge.
 
Iraq was accused, and found guilty, by the United Nations of being in violation of each and every in a long line a resolutions against it stemming from Iraq's invasion and annexation of a UN sovereign member state, Kuwait. What he was supposed to do was be 100% transparent with what he had, what he destroyed, etc etc, by taking Hans Blix by the hand. He chose to play games. Don't play games with the USA, motherf***ers, or you'll hang. :) We gave him second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh chances and finally we had had enough. I suggest in the future that these dictators abide by cease fire agreements. Holding dictators to that seems perfectly fair to me, although if it had been up to me we'd have never had made such deals with that devil and would've toppled him over a decade ago. And, yes, I rejected people who tried to teach me to loath the West and always sympathize with its enemies.

Yes, we can wipe out half the world. but what we did with those weapons was to beat the Axis powers in the race to acquire them, transform Japan into a peaceful democracy and preserve the lives of countless American soldiers who would've had to invade it, and to win the Cold War which removed commie enslavement for hundreds of millions of people. And I believe there's a rather nice country called South Korea that would not exist as it is today if we didn't have a check on North Korea.

We'd all like to live in a world without nukes. Well, no, not everyone. Iran's mullahs don't wanna. North Korea's Kim Jong Mentally-Ill doesn't wanna. Saddam didn't wanna. I'll keep my country well armed, thank you very much. Because I don't want my future children living in a world where evil has the edge.

It's not your country. The "I'll keep my country well armed" line sounds like we are playing Risk or something. The line about "don't play games with the US..." makes you sound like a real tough guy too. That's the kind of thing that makes much of the rest of the world think the US is backward. But that's just how you talk and I guess your ideas shouldn't be judged on the way they are presented, but you're rewriting history again, too.

We're back to the weapons inspections again, when you've been trying to say that the Iraq invasion is about overthrowing a dictator, and that the fact that our information was wrong didn't matter. Now it's about Kuwait? Doesn't matter what the reason is this week anyway, it's still obvious that Iraq is in more of a mess now than it was before we invaded. Meanwhile, where is Osama? I do agree that we should never have made deals with Saddam Hussien, though. That's something we agree on.

The people in charge of our country now are tearing up the constitution and they are more of a threat than Saddam Hussein was. Tony Blair has cooperated with the US in an action that much of the rest of the world considers an illegal act. Many in his country don't support his cooperation with the Bush-Cheney syndicate, so I guess that backs up the premise of this thread pretty well.

Really, I don't care what you think, but you state it in such a way that I think it has to be answered.
 
yes of course tb is an arsehole but what are you gonna do about it? I've never voted for that arsehole because I've been in the lucky position to be able to vote for a socialist alternative each election.
Checkout Respect or Solidarity or any other Socialist alternative to blair & his cronies, join the fight not the moan. :cool:

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It's weird, I just think its a certain type of peson that would call whoever is in power crap.
 
It's not your country. The "I'll keep my country well armed" line sounds like we are playing Risk or something.


I've played a lot of Risk but I got tired of it when I realized if I start my empire in Australia I'd win almost every game...unless someone suidically refuses to stop f***ing with me. Usually I can chill in peace while everyone else f***s up each other, and soon my Aussie rebels would be controlling the board.

It's tempting to wish the USA could just sit back while the rest of the world goes to hell. That isn't currently an option for us or the world.


The line about "don't play games with the US..." makes you sound like a real tough guy too. That's the kind of thing that makes much of the rest of the world think the US is backward.

Bush is the tough guy! He was an OG when he told Saddam to get the f*** out of his own country in 48 hours.

The rest of the world is opinionated about the USA because, for now, we are the Big Cheese. This makes us both the most loved and the most loathed. The world still always look to us to clean up all the messes. I welcome others to clean up the messes. Anyone else wanna solve North Korea - go right ahead!

And I do care what the outside world thinks, but I care more about what's right. If only 1% of, say, Italy is right, I extend my hand to them. It's nice to agree with such an elite group of intelligent Italians. :) What I don't do is determine what I believe is right by a poll.


and that the fact that our information was wrong didn't matter. Now it's about Kuwait?


The invasion of Kuwait is what started the war. It's just a historical fact that that's when it started, and Bush's action was to end it by enforcing resolutions and a cease-fire agreement that all stemmed from the Kuwait invasion.

Information was hard to come by because his regime violated the requirement to be transparent. Since the majority on this site believe it's "unfair" to keep nukes out of Iran and North Korea, I'm not surprised they similarly don't give a f*** about what Saddam was up to and what he was violating.

Saddam was a game player waiting for a better day when sanctions would be lifted, he could declare victory, and do as he liked.

We'll never see eye to eye on these things so I really shouldn't have entered this thread. I just get tired of people not even acknowledging that there are very different takes on all of these things than the same old points they spew.


The people in charge of our country now are tearing up the constitution

I don't support many things Bush does but this sounds like scare-mongering. You really think a nice fella like George would tear up your consitution? Well if he did wanna, I have a lot of confidence in our system and courts and citizenry to prevent one temporary president from "tearing up the consitution." A president isn't as powerful as you believe. I recall you suspect Bush even managed to steal two elections and was the real villain who knocked down the Twin Towers. He must be Dr. Evil in your eyes.

The courts have ruled against Bush several times when he has treaded into unconstitutional territory, and now he has an opposition party controlling the House and Senate. Have faith in the American system. It's the best system in the world (IMHO). Some of those backwards European countries could only hope to have their rights respected the way we do.
 
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Theo,

You know full well that’s not was mentioned, no country in the world should have weapons of mass destruction. No country should have missiles capable of slaying millions of people. You mention these insane countries; a hell of a lot people would add the US into that category especially after the unjustified dropping of atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in World War Two. However we won’t go into and I don’t particularly want to listen to you trying to justify that atrocious and sickening act.

No he’s not stealing the taxpayer’s money, but he lied to British people with nonsense of not raising taxes, he in a decade has raised taxes a total of 72 times, he is also wasting money which is needed to help improve the lives of British people, which funnily enough what New Labour was elected on, their manifesto was all about sorting out society. Education, Education, Education was Blair’s slogan, well education is no better than it was, the health service is in melt down, social services are in a state and country is in a worse state than what it was a decade ago. Yet he has found time to a fight a pointless war, in which the US has killed more British soldiers through friendly fire than the militants themselves. So that £20billion could be saved and spent on sorting out social justice and domestic problems facing and crippling the country.

Blair is no where near as close to socialism as you have made out, New Labour by definition cannot be considered a socialist party, they can be considered a social democratic party, because they have a balance and they accept capitalism, but also except that their needs to be a minimum living standard, so they juggle individualism and social justice together, not what I would call socialism. Socialism in Britain was about industry, clause four, trade unions, which have pretty much died out, mainstream socialism died with the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1989. So no Blair cannot be called a socialist, he is very similar to Thatcher, only difference is, social justice wasn’t on her agenda. Bush I don’t know too much about, but I doubt he is anything like a socialist. He might support industry, but the US is predominately a capitalist country. I enjoy living in a prosperous country, but I do not enjoy seeing people struggle to live, I do not enjoy seeing people being oppressed, that’s the difference.

Iraq invaded Kuwait which went against UN resolution, now correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t the US make a habit of doing that? Didn’t Bush essentially put his middle finger up at the UN and go in and invade Iraq? Seems highly hypocritical doesn’t it? How the US uses the UN when it suits them and tells it to get lost when it suits them, it smacks hypocrisy; it’s so hypocritical it makes me smile. The US “do what we say, not as we do”. Brilliant, made my day that has, but then I knew this already. The US, Britain and Germany should of known how many weapons Iraq had because we bloody well sold him the shells and the materials to make these bloody weapons and it is actually well known that Saddam had destroyed his weapons of destruction in the mid 1990’s. US and British intelligence were ignorant to these facts and in attempt to seize oil used any excuse to invade Iraq, its funny how many people fall for Government based propaganda. History is riddled with citizens blindly following and believing whatever their Governments say.

He didn’t play games, he just refused to cooperate with the US and British forces so what? What right has the US got to ask questions of any countries Governments? What business was it of the US to ask Saddam to show what weapons he had? When Saddam was an ally, the US didn’t care that he was committing acts of genocide against the Kurds and other groups of people who opposed him, the US and Britain swept it under the carpet and ignored it, but conveniently remembered it when Saddam fell out of favour with the US. The US had enough, that just shows that the US are nothing more than playground bullies who doesn’t it like when a country doesn’t play your game. It’s funny how the US feel threatened constantly by countries and then bomb them back to the dark ages and claim to rid the world of evil when essentially all the US is doing is being deeply paranoid and ridding any country which could challenge the US as a global super power.

I don’t agree with these militants who go about stirring hatred towards the West, but I don’t agree with the West going into the countries and ramming our beliefs and values down their throats and when they want to do things their own way the West, sorry Britain and the US bomb them to the ground. Then Blair and Bush sit there and wonder why car bombs are a common site in Baghdad and other cities throughout Iraq. I don’t agree with extremists, but I don’t agree with the US and British foreign policy.

The US didn’t help Japan, instead the US slaughtered Japan and it was Japanese people who shaped Japan into the country it is today, not the US. If the US had their way, Japan wouldn’t exist today and that’s common knowledge. The US preserved their soldiers, but what about innocent Japanese people? Innocent people always die in warfare and this could have been prevented, but most countries drop bombs, cause carnage and ask questions later. Win the cold war? Please you didn’t win the cold war, for starters it wasn’t even a war, secondly the Soviet Union was crumbling from the inside like empires of the past, the US just sped things up with their propaganda, after the US gave black Americans their civil rights, lets not forget that crucial peace of information. It was the people of the communist countries who essentially ridded their nations of communism, not the US. All the US did was invest in more defence through fear of attack, but credit where credit’s due, Reagan and Thatcher did well with the political side of things.


I don’t know much about the Korean war and what went on, so I cannot comment, but I didn’t need to guess that the US would be involved, perhaps the US did well and helped South Korea, I will always give the US credit where it’s due, but whilst I like the US, I do not like the foreign policy. You sit there and spout the very things which simply aren't true, you sit there spout the very saying which hatred of the US comes from. Saddam was not doubt evil, Kim Jong is considered evil, but a lot of people see Bush and Blair as evil too.
 
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I have two thoughts to the topic starter.

1. If it were up to you, the sane countries of the world would disarm while the insane countries acquire nukes. I'm glad I don't have to live under those circumstances.

2. He isn't "stealing" taxpayer money. Last I checked you have a democracy and such decisions are made by elected representatives.

And to this: people like Bush and Blair are capitalist extremists

I consider both of them too close to socialism, particularly Blair and his "third way," which certainly cannot be labeled "extreme" capitalism. Putting that aside, however, does it ever dawn on you that the UK's economy is in much better shape than the European countries that are even closer to socialism or are socialist? Call me crazy, but I enjoy living in a prosperous country with opportunities.

Funny, I never find working-class or underclass people praising the government. You're middle-class, aren't you? I bet you have never struggled financially in your life, or known what it is like to live off benefits.

Dictionary definition of steal: to take something without permission or illegally, with no intention of returning it.

The government steal our money and they have no intention of returning it. Then they plough over twenty billion pounds of our money into weapons. Anyone who agrees with this is a sick f***.
 
Iraq was accused, and found guilty, by the United Nations of being in violation of each and every in a long line a resolutions against it stemming from Iraq's invasion and annexation of a UN sovereign member state, Kuwait. What he was supposed to do was be 100% transparent with what he had, what he destroyed, etc etc, by taking Hans Blix by the hand. He chose to play games. Don't play games with the USA, motherf***ers, or you'll hang. :) We gave him second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh chances and finally we had had enough. I suggest in the future that these dictators abide by cease fire agreements. Holding dictators to that seems perfectly fair to me, although if it had been up to me we'd have never had made such deals with that devil and would've toppled him over a decade ago. And, yes, I rejected people who tried to teach me to loath the West and always sympathize with its enemies.

Yes, we can wipe out half the world. but what we did with those weapons was to beat the Axis powers in the race to acquire them, transform Japan into a peaceful democracy and preserve the lives of countless American soldiers who would've had to invade it, and to win the Cold War which removed commie enslavement for hundreds of millions of people. And I believe there's a rather nice country called South Korea that would not exist as it is today if we didn't have a check on North Korea.

We'd all like to live in a world without nukes. Well, no, not everyone. Iran's mullahs don't wanna. North Korea's Kim Jong Mentally-Ill doesn't wanna. Saddam didn't wanna. I'll keep my country well armed, thank you very much. Because I don't want my future children living in a world where evil has the edge.

What's with all the pro-America shite? Here's a wee list of some of the USA's great achievements:

1) Taking black slaves from their homeland in chains, whipping them, hanging them, beating them, buying them, raping their women...

2) Trying to wipe out the native americans by destroying their living environments, abusing the people, driving them out...

3) Raining bombs on Vietnam. Do you remember that famous picture of the naked Vietnamese child running along naked, in sheer terror? Your country did that.

4) Damaging small business everywhere by forcing Mcdonalds and starf***s on the rest of the world. America, please keep your stinking imitation food to yourself. You are now turning Britain into the second fattest nation in the world.

5) Instigating the entire WMD myth, lying to everyone everywhere and killing over half a million Iraqis in the process. There were no WMD.

6) the unjustified dropping of atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in World War Two

Just by the by, America does not rule the world. The entire tone of your post suggests that it does. Their leader is a moron with no apparent brain activity going on behind that retarded face of his. The american government need to concentrate on sorting out their own shitty state of affairs instead of poking their noses into the things which do not concern them. If I was an American, I'd be leaving my country as soon as possible.
 
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The rest of the world is opinionated about the USA because, for now, we are the Big Cheese. This makes us both the most loved and the most loathed. The world still always look to us to clean up all the messes. I welcome others to clean up the messes. Anyone else wanna solve North Korea - go right ahead!

Well, the USA makes most of the f***ing mess in this world, don't they? In fact, it's somewhat strange that the country who have contributed most towards the destruction of the ozone layer are the very ones who refuse to accept the grim reality of climate change.

The people running your country should be shot. That's about the most constructive suggestion you'll find me making in this thread.

You're not the big cheese, either. Practically the entire world think your leader is a prick, and it's almost a certainty that most of the Eastern countries absolutely hate the USA's guts. How the hell does that make the USA 'the big cheese'?
 
um..why is this f***er getting defended? :confused:
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[...]I consider both of them too close to socialism, particularly Blair and his "third way"[...]


i think New Labour and it's policies are, perhaps, the epitome of what mr. marx once referred to as "bourgeois/conservative socialism" (i.e. scarcely "socialist").

"A part of the bourgeoisie is desirous of redressing social grievances in order to secure the continued existence of bourgeois society.


To this section belong economists, philanthropists, humanitarians, improvers of the condition of the working class, organizers of charity, members of societies for the prevention of cruelty to animals, temperance fanatics, hole-and-corner reformers of every imaginable kind.

[...]

it
[bourgeois socialism] but requires in reality that the proletariat should remain within the bounds of existing society, but should cast away all its hateful ideas concerning the bourgeoisie." (emphasis added)​
 
We'd all like to live in a world without nukes. Well, no, not everyone. Iran's mullahs don't wanna. North Korea's Kim Jong Mentally-Ill doesn't wanna. Saddam didn't wanna. I'll keep my country well armed, thank you very much. Because I don't want my future children living in a world where evil has the edge.
This is pretty much what I was going to post. I really am curious what you all think the solution is, do you really think that if the west disarms then everyone else will too?
 
I knew you would be Pro-American, which of course is fine, America will never touch Israel, so you'll never stare down at their warheads, the same cannot be said for everyone else. In an ideal world the UN would grow a spine and outlaw all nuclear weapons, so the West and the East would disarm. In an Ideal world people no matter what religion, skin colour, political and personal preferences would live as one, united and live life side by side peacefully. Disputes would be settled by diplomatic means, in an ideal world nature and man would live as one, everyone would be vegetarians, trees and nature would be a thing of beauty , but this will never happen. The US will never surrender their missiles because they want to the worlds super power. I personally don’t see why Iran and Korea can’t have nuclear missiles, they are no more of a threat to humanity than America. There is also little evidence to suggest that Iran would build nuclear missiles.
 
This is pretty much what I was going to post. I really am curious what you all think the solution is, do you really think that if the west disarms then everyone else will too?


It should be a global effort. I cannot seriously believe you are justifying the existence of nuclear weapons. Don't you realise that agression breeds aggression, and that decisions of this magnitude shouldn't even be made by one man and his government?

How can anyone justify Tony Blair's absolute arrogance? By even having nuclear weapons he is more or less sending a message to other countries with nuclear capabilities saying: we are ready for you if you attack.

But why would he even be anticipating an attack in the first place? Could it be because he knows he's a guilty as sin bastard who has done incredible damage to the world and it's people?

It all boils down to the simple error of having males running countries. Every single war, ever, was started by males. If women were running the world then none of this would even be an issue. It's sad, malcontented, destructive, war-mongering bastards like George W Bush and Tony Blair who are a stinking disgrace to their gender.
 
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