The Moz/Smiths Top 100, FINAL RESULTS!!

celibate

Forever Ill
imight giv that comparison a toss up, but compare something like "Stretch Out And Wait" (a lovely little song) to say "Boxers"- it should be no context for the solo effort, but there is sucha slant towards The Smiths- always has been.

theres no doubt that The Smiths catalogue is far more consistent and that generally possesses a ceratin magic that is absent in the solo cannon, but Morrissey's solo work is far too underrated- even by many of his most ardent fans.

I have the idea your not doing well lately Chris, such negativity and
disaprovement...sorry to turn the issue...but is it possible you suffer
winterdepression?...[lots do] ... sitting before a special light can help
yoo going through the winter time much better, also for the ones around
you

just trying to be supportive, not putting you down Chris, I respect you
 

Houdini

Junior Member
Splendid work, Houdinin. Really fascinating stuff.

One request I have, though, is an average score per songwriter. Of those who have written at least 5 or 6 songs with Morrissey, I expect the order is something like;

1. Marr
2. Street
3. Boorer
4. Nevin
5. Whyte
6. Tobias

with scores going from over 8 for Street and Marr to maybe around 7 for Tobias. would be cool to know.
cheers.
Maurice

Good idea :)

Here we go:

Best composers:

1) Morrissey/Marr, average score: 8,74 (68 songs)
2) Morrissey/Armstrong, average score: 8,17 (2 songs)
3) Morrissey/Street, average score: 8,03 (26 songs)
4) Morrissey/Boorer, average score: 7,94 (22 songs)
5) Morrissey/Whyte, average score: 7,69 (62 songs)
6) Morrissey/Nevin, average score: 7,66 (15 songs)
7) Morrissey/Langer, average score: 7,54 (3 songs)
8) Morrissey/Cobrin, average score: 7,53 (3 songs)
9) Morrissey/Tobias, average score: 7,52 (8 songs)
10) Morrissey/Whyte/Day, average score: 7,42 (3 songs)
11) Morrissey/Rourke, average score: 7,23 (3 songs)
12) Morrissey/Boorer/Day, average score: 6,35 (2 songs)
13) Morrissey/Farrell, average score: 6,17 (2 songs)


Best Morrissey/Marr song:

1) There Is A Light That Never Goes Out 9,89
2) Still Ill 9,57
3) The Queen Is Dead 9,56
4) I Know It’s Over 9,54
5) This Charming Man 9,50
6) Please Please Please Let Me Get What I Want 9,50
7) The Headmaster Ritual 9,49
8) Rubber Ring 9,43
9) Reel Around The Fountain 9,41
10) Panic 9,41
11) Stop Me If You Think You’ve Heard This One Before 9,39
12) Last Night I Dreamt That Somebody Loved Me 9,39
13) The Boy With The Thorn In His Side 9,37
14) That Joke Isn’t Funny Anymore 9,36
15) Hand In Glove 9,32
16) Bigmouth Strikes Again 9,31
17) Well I Wonder 9,30
18) Shoplifters Of The World Unite 9,29
19) How Soon Is Now? 9,28
20) Cemetry Gates 9,24
21) William It Was Really Nothing 9,22
22) Half A Person 9,13
23) Asleep 9,10
24) I Want The One I Can’t Have 9,02
25) What Difference Does It Make? 8,96
26) A Rush And A Push 8,95
27) Handsome Devil 8,90
28) Girlfriend In A Coma 8,90
29) Nowhere Fast 8,90
30) Sweet And Tender Hooligan 8,87
31) Heaven Knows I’m Miserable Now 8,84
32) Stretch Out And Wait 8,82
33) Paint A Vulgar Picture 8,81
34) Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others 8,76
35) Rusholme Ruffians 8,76
36) You Just Haven’t Earned It Yet Baby 8,74
37) I Won’t Share You 8,72
38) Girl Afraid 8,70
39) Frankly Mr Shankly 8,62
40) Sheila Take A Bow 8,61
41) Suffer Little Children 8,59
42) This Night Has Opened My Eyes 8,58
43) Is It Really So Strange? 8,58
44) What She Said 8,57
45) I Started Something I Couldn’t Finish 8,56
46) Unlovable 8,53
47) These Things Take Time 8,53
48)The Hand That Rocks The Cradle 8,52
49) Back To The Old House 8,52
50) Ask 8,49
51) You’ve Got Everything Now 8,49
52) Pretty Girls Make Graves 8,48
53) Jeane 8,42
54) London 8,39
55) Barbarism Begins At Home 8,34
56) Shakespeare’s Sister 8,26
57) Never Had No One Ever 8,25
58) Wonderful Woman 8,10
59) I Don’t Owe You Anything 8,09
60) Vicar In A Tutu 8,05
61) Death Of A Disco Dancer 8,02
62) Meat Is Murder 8,00
63) Miserable Lie 7,78
64) Unhappy Birthday 7,62
65) Oscillate Wildly 7,59
66) Accept Yourself 7,50
67) I Keep Mine Hidden 7,27
68) Death At One’s Elbow 6,38
 

Houdini

Junior Member
Best Morrissey/Armstrong-song:

1) Piccadilly Palare 8,83
2) He Knows I’d Love To See Him 7,51

average score: 8,17

Best Morrissey/Street song:

1) Everyday Is Like Sunday 9,59
2) Suedehead 9,55
3) The Last Of The Famous International Playboys 9,46
4) Late Night, Maudlin Street 9,24
5) Hairdresser On Fire 9,13
6) Will Never Marry 9,03
7) Sister I’m A Poet 8,94
8) Disappointed 8,81
9) Such A Little Thing Makes Such A Big Difference 8,41
10) Alsatian Cousin 8,41
11) Interesting Drug 8,34
12) I Know Very Well How I Got My Name 8,34
13) Angel, Angel, Down We Go Together 8,25
14) I Don’t Mind If You Forget Me 8,05
15) Lucky Lisp 8,02
16) Ouija Board, Ouija Board 7,75
17) Little Man, What Now? 7,73
18) Break Up The Family 7,61
19) The Ordinary Boys 7,42
20) Oh Well I’ll Never Learn 7,34
21) Michael’s Bones 7,18
22) Bengali In Platforms 7,13
23) Dial-A-Cliche 6,90
24) At Amber 6,82
25) Margaret On The Guillotine 6,65
26) Journalists Who Lie 4,79

average score: 8,03

Best Morrissey/Boorer-song:

1) Now My Heart Is Full 9,55
2) Speedway 9,54
3) Jack The Ripper 9.26
4) The More You Ignore Me, The Closer I Get 8,97
5) Spring-Heeled Jim 8,58
6) Come Back To Camden 8,37
7) Maladjusted 8,32
8) Lifeguard Sleeping, Girl Drowning 8,31
9) I’d Love To 8,31
10) Reader Meet Author 8,13
11) The World Is Full Of Crashing Bores 8,13
12) I Can Have Both 7,93
13) Satan Rejected My Soul 7,86
14) I’m Not Sorry 7,85
15) I Like You 7,83
16) The Teachers Are Afraid Of The Pupils 7,65
17) That’s How People Grow Up 7,37
18) Christian Dior 6,87
19) The Public Image 6,80
20) Ammunition 6,75
21) You’ve Had Her 6,24
22) Noise Is The Best Revenge 6,00

average score: 7,94
 
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Houdini

Junior Member
Best Morrissey/Whyte-song:

1) Why Don’t You Find Out For Yourself 9,45
2) Trouble Loves Me 9,14
3) Seasick, Yet Still Docked 9,10
4) The National Front Disco 9,09
5) Nobody Loves Us 9,01
6) First Of The Gang To Die 9,00
7) Irish Blood, English Heart 8,97
8) Life Is A Pigsty 8,92
9) Tomorrow 8,87
10) Let Me Kiss You 8,54
11) I Have Forgiven Jesus 8,47
12) The Never Played Symphonies 8,47
13) We’ll Let You Know 8,46
14) Southpaw 8,44
15) Hold On To Your Friends 8,42
16) Friday Mourning 8,41
17) Sunny 8,41
18) I Am Hated For Loving 8,33
19) Whatever Happens, I Love You 8,28
20) We Hate It When Our Friends Become Succesful 8,22
21) Boxers 8,20
22) Glamorous Glue 8,03
23) The Boy Racer 7,97
24) Ganglord 7,96
25) Alma Matters 7,95
26) Used To Be A Sweet Boy 7,92
27) Certain People I Know 7,85
28) The Edges Are No Longer Parallel 7,80
29) The Lazy Sunbathers 7,77
30) It’s Hard To Walk Tall When You’re Small 7,76
31) Billy Budd 7,74
32) You Must Please Remember 7,72
33) Dear God, Please Help Me 7,69
34) A Swallow On My Neck 7,66
35) I Will See You In Far Off Places 7,63
36) I’ll Never Be Anybody’s Hero Now 7,63
37) My Life Is A Succession Of People Saying Goodbye 7,48
38) To Me You Are A Work Of Art 7,45
39) You’re The One For Me Fatty 7,38
40) Have-A-Go Merchant 7,37
41) Munich Air Disaster 1958 7,36
42) The Operation 7,33
43) Good Looking Man About Town 7,32
44) How Can Anybody Possibly Know How I Feel? 7,31
45) Do Your Best and Don’t Worry 7,30
46) Teenage Dad On His Estate 7,27
47) I Am Two People 7,17
48) Don’t Make Fun Of Daddy’s Voice 7,15
49) This Is Not Your Country 7,06
50) Heir Apparent 6,94
51) Roy’s Keen 6,85
52) Dagenham Dave 6,81
53) Best Friend On The Payroll 6,57
54) Black Eyed Susan 6,52
55) The Father Who Must Be Killed 6,51
56) America Is Not The World 6,44
57) Ambitious Outsiders 6,36
58) There Speaks A True Friend 6,33
59) He Cried 6,26
60) All The Lazy Dykes 6,11
61) Sorrow Will Come In The End 5,50
62) Papa Jack 5,05

Average score: 7,69

Best Morrissey/Nevin-song::

1) I’ve Changed My Plea To Guilty 8,96
2) You’re Gonna Need Someone On Your Side 8,71
3) I Know It’s Gonna Happen Someday 8,60
4) My Love Life 8,39
5) The Loop 8,28
6) Sing Your Life 8,01
7) There’s A Place In Hell For Me And My Friends 7,81
8) I’m the End Of The Family Line 7,75
9) Our Frank 7,74
10) Driving Your Girlfriend Home 7,67
11) Pregnant For The Last Time 7,35
12) King Leer 7,32
13) Asian Rut 6,32
14) Tony The Pony 6,04
15) The Harsh Truth Of The Camera Eye 5,78

average score: 7,66

Best Morrissey/Langer-song:

1) November Spawned A Monster 9,08
2) Mute Witness 7,70
3) Found Found Found 5,85

average score: 7,54

Best Morrissey/Cobrin-song:

1) Lost 8,33
2) Wide To Receive 7,26
3) Now I Am A Was 7,01

average score: 7,53

Best Morrissey/Tobias-song:

1) You Have Killed Me 8,14
2) All You Need Is Me 7,99
3) In The Future When All’s Well 7,66
4) If You Don’t Like Me, Don’t Look At Me 7,55
5) I Knew I Was Next 7,36
6) The Youngest Was The Most Loved 7,30
7) I Just Want To See The Boy Happy 7,17
8) On The Streets I Ran 6,99

average score: 7,52

Best Morrissey/Whyte/Day-song:

1) You Know I Couldn’t Last 8,01
2) Let The Right One Slip In 7,27
3) Pashernate Love 6,98

average score: 7,42

Best Morrissey/Rourke-song:

1) Yes, I Am Blind 7,86
2) Girl Least Likely To 7,78
3) Get Off The Stage 6,04

average score: 7,23

Best Morrissey/Boorer/Day-song:

1) Mexico 6,60
2) Slum Mums 6,10

average score: 6,35

Best Morrissey/Farrell-song:

1) At Last I Am Born 6,67
2) Sweetie Pie 5,66

average score: 6,17
 
imight giv that comparison a toss up, but compare something like "Stretch Out And Wait" (a lovely little song) to say "Boxers"- it should be no context for the solo effort, but there is sucha slant towards The Smiths- always has been.
There again, though, I'd say "Stretch Out and Wait" is streets ahead of "Boxers" in every way. "Boxers" is a decent Morrissey single with a good story to it and a nice vocal melody. "Stretch Out and Wait" is something else, though - a beautiful piece of music, put against some really incredible lyrics, poetic, witty, dripping with irony and humour. "Boxers" is more earnest and direct, but far less interesting.

So I don't think their respective positions are anything to do with a "slant" towards the Smiths - "Stretch Out" merely has more going for it as a song.
 

chrisarclark

Boycott Moz
but is it possible you suffer
winterdepression?
yes, its very possible and it might explain the bluntness of my commentary, but the underlying sentiment still remains true.

ive never felt that Moz's solo work gets a fairr shake around here. the thought that anyone could possibly prefer "Barbarism Begins At Home" to "Glamorous Glue" or "Half A Person" to "We'll Let You Know" is beyond ridiculous. no doubt, Morrissey's solo career has produced the kind of shite that could never hav been dreamt as coming from The Smiths, but not everything The Smiths did was sheer brilliance and much of Moz's solo catalogue is.
 
1) There Is A Light That Never Goes Out (1986) 9,89

2) Everyday Is Like Sunday (1988) 9,59
3) Still Ill (1984) 9,57
4) I Know It’s Over (1986) 9,56
5) Suedehead (1988) 9,55
6) The Queen Is Dead (1986) 9,55
7) Now My Heart Is Full (1994) 9,55
8) Speedway (1994) 9,54
9) This Charming Man (1983) 9,50
10) Please Please Please Let Me Get What I Want (1984) 9,50

11) The Headmaster Ritual (1985) 9,48
12) The Last Of The Famous International Playboys (1989) 9,46
13) Rubber Ring (1985) 9,43
14) Why Don’t You Find Out For Yourself (1994) 9,42
15) Panic (1985) 9,41
16) Reel Around The Fountain (1984) 9,41
17) Stop Me If You Think You’ve Heard This One Before (1987) 9,40
18) Last Night I Dreamt That Somebody Loved Me (1987) 9,39
19) The Boy With The Thorn In His Side (1985) 9,38
20) That Joke Isn’t Funny Anymore (1985) 9,36
21) Hand In Glove (1983) 9,32
22) Bigmouth Strikes Again (1986) 9,31
23) Well I Wonder (1985) 9,30
24) Shoplifters Of The World Unite (1987) 9,29
25) How Soon Is Now? (1984) 9,28
EOH is shocked (in a good way) that Still Ill made top 3 :eek:

Why's "What Difference Does It Make" so low??? :tears:
 

Kitty3780

Not right in the head
I thought this poll was bloody marvellous. Many thanks to Houdini for your efforts. Of course, you do realise, you will have to repeat the poll in approximately five years so that Morrissey's spies can check the poll for the next version of his Greatest Hits!

Am I being a tad cynical?
 

Shorty11857

New Member
I find it hard to believe Interlude, Cemetry Gates and Asleep are so low, they're all top ten easily in my opinion. Girl Least Likely to is dreadfully low as well


Here's my top 20 most played and the amount of times I've played them

1. Cemetry Gates - 95
2. Asleep - 56
3. Bigmouth Strikes Again - 53
4. Angel, Angel, We Both Go Down Together - 51
5. How Soon Is Now? - 44
5. Stop Me If You Think You Heard This One Before - 44
7. There Is A Light That Never Goes Out - 43
7. Sunny - 43
9. Panic - 41
10. The Youngest Was The Most Loved - 40
11. You Have Killed Me - 39
12. The Headmaster Ritual - 36
12. We Hate It When Our Friends Become Successful - 36
12. November Spawned a Monster - 36
12. The More You Ignore Me, The Closer I Get - 36
16. This Charming Man - 35
16. Still Ill - 35
18. William It Was Really Nothing - 34
19. A Song From Under The Floorboards - 33
20. A Rush And A Push and the land is ours - 32
 

Houdini

Junior Member
Best Smiths-year:

1983, average score: 8,62

1) This Charming Man 9,50
2) Hand In Glove 9,32
3) Handsome Devil 8,93
4) Jeane 8,41
5) Wonderful Woman 8,03
6) Accept Yourself 7,50
 

Houdini

Junior Member
1984, average score: 8,76

1) Still Ill 9,57
2) Please Please Please Let Me Get What I Want 9,50
3) Reel Around The Fountain 9,41
4) How Soon Is Now? 9,28
5) William It Was Really Nothing 9,22
6) What Difference Does It Make? 8,95
7) Heaven Knows I’m Miserable Now 8,84
8) Girl Afraid 8,70
9) Suffer Little Children 8,58
10) This Night Has Opened My Eyes 8,58
11) Back To The Old House 8,54
12) The Hand That Rocks The Cradle 8,51
13) These Things Take Time 8,50
14) Pretty Girls Make Graves 8,45
15) You’ve Got Everything Now 8,43
16) I Don’t Owe You Anything 8,09
17) Miserable Lie 7,78
 

Houdini

Junior Member
1985, average score: 8,86

1) The Headmaster Ritual 9,48
2) Rubber Ring 9,43
3) Panic 9,41
4) The Boy With The Thorn In His Side 9,38
5) That Joke Isn’t Funny Anymore 9,36
6) Well I Wonder 9,30
7) Asleep 9,12
8) I Want The One I Can’t Have 9,02
9) Nowhere Fast 8,90
10) Stretch Out And Wait 8,82
11) Rusholme Ruffians 8,76
12) What She Said 8,57
13) Barbarism Begins At Home 8,39
14) Shakespeare’s Sister 8,28
15) Meat Is Murder 8,00
16) Oscillate Wildly 7,59
 

Houdini

Junior Member
1986, average song score: 8,31

1) There Is A Light That Never Goes Out 9,89
2) I Know It’s Over 9,56
3) The Queen Is Dead 9,55
4) Bigmouth Strikes Again 9,31
5) Cemetry Gates 9,24
6) Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others 8,73
7) Frankly Mr Shankly 8,62
8) Unlovable 8,52
9) Ask 8,49
10) Never Had No One Ever 8,23
11) Vicar In A Tutu 8,07
12) The Draize Train 6,74
13) Money Changes Everything 6,37
14) Golden Lights 4,93
 

Houdini

Junior Member
1987, average song score: 8,31

1) Stop Me If You Think You’ve Heard This One Before 9,40
2) Last Night I Dreamt That Somebody Loved Me 9,39
3) Shoplifters Of The World Unite 9,29
4) Half A Person 9,14
5) A Rush And A Push And The Land Is Ours 8,95
6) Girlfriend In A Coma 8,91
7) Sweet And Tender Hooligan 8,86
8) Paint A Vulgar Picture 8,81
9) You Just Haven’t Earned It Yet Baby 8,77
10) I Won’t Share You 8,74
11) Sheila Take A Bow 8,61
12) Is It Really So Strange? 8,58
13) I Started Something I Couldn’t Finish 8,56
14) London 8,39
15) Death Of A Disco Dancer 8,02
16) Unhappy Birthday 7,62
17) I Keep Mine Hidden 7,27
18) Work Is A Four Letter Word 6,48
19) Death At One’s Elbow 6,38
20) What’s The World 6,13
 

MadameChaos

you should see mine
Chris. If you can't think of anything nice to say about Morrissey, then I'd rather you didn't say anything at all. Please do not invoke my wrath, I have no mercy. You've been warned.

*shakes finger dissapprovingly*
 

Maurice E

Junior Member
1987, average song score: 8,31

1) Stop Me If You Think You’ve Heard This One Before 9,40
2) Last Night I Dreamt That Somebody Loved Me 9,39
3) Shoplifters Of The World Unite 9,29
4) Half A Person 9,14
5) A Rush And A Push And The Land Is Ours 8,95
6) Girlfriend In A Coma 8,91
7) Sweet And Tender Hooligan 8,86
8) Paint A Vulgar Picture 8,81
9) You Just Haven’t Earned It Yet Baby 8,77
10) I Won’t Share You 8,74
11) Sheila Take A Bow 8,61
12) Is It Really So Strange? 8,58
13) I Started Something I Couldn’t Finish 8,56
14) London 8,39
15) Death Of A Disco Dancer 8,02
16) Unhappy Birthday 7,62
17) I Keep Mine Hidden 7,27
18) Work Is A Four Letter Word 6,48
19) Death At One’s Elbow 6,38
20) What’s The World 6,13
hey houdini.
would be cool to see the scores for the 90's and 00's if poss.
reckon the quality of the maladjusted, viva hate and quarry b-sides will lift those years quite a bit, and the disappointing ROTT b-sides may show 06 to be one of Morrissey's worst ever years...
 

Houdini

Junior Member
hey houdini.
would be cool to see the scores for the 90's and 00's if poss.
reckon the quality of the maladjusted, viva hate and quarry b-sides will lift those years quite a bit, and the disappointing ROTT b-sides may show 06 to be one of Morrissey's worst ever years...

Yes, was planning on doing so, but something got in the way...

We'll start with 1988, and then we'll do the other 10 years of Morrissey-releases.

1988, average song-score: 8,23

1) Everyday Is Like Sunday 9,59
2) Suedehead 9,55
3) Late Night, Maudlin Street 9,24
4) Hairdresser On Fire 9,14
5) Will Never Marry 9,03
6) Sister I’m A Poet 8,92
7) Disappointed 8,81
8) Alsatian Cousin 8,41
9) I Know Very Well How I Got My Name 8,36
10) Angel, Angel, Down We Go Together 8,25
11) I Don’t Mind If You Forget Me 8,05
12) Little Man, What Now? 7,73
13) Break Up The Family 7,61
14) The Ordinary Boys 7,42
15) Oh Well I’ll Never Learn 7,34
16) Bengali In Platforms 7,13
17) Dial-A-Cliche 6,90
18) Margaret On The Guillotine 6,65
 

Houdini

Junior Member
1989, average song score: 7,94

1) The Last Of The Famous International Playboys 9,46
2) Such A Little Thing Makes Such A Big Difference 8,41
3) Interesting Drug 8,32
4) Lucky Lisp 8,02
5) Yes, I Am Blind 7,86
6) Ouija Board, Ouija Board 7,75
7) Michael’s Bones 7,18
8) East West 6,51
 

Houdini

Junior Member
1990, average song score: 7,68

1) November Spawned A Monster 9,08
2) Piccadilly Palare 8,83
3) Girl Least Likely To 7,78
4) He Knows I’d Love To See Him 7,51
5) At Amber 6,82
6) Get Off The Stage 6,04
 
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