The existential philosophy behind "People are the Same Everywhere" - Pop Music Explained

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Popmusicexplained, Sep 18, 2019.

By Popmusicexplained on Sep 18, 2019 at 6:21 AM
  1. Hi everyone

    It’s been so long since I posted on here that I can’t remember my login details! But I do still follow the page via Facebook.

    I’m a local journalist and in my spare time I write essays about the meanings behind pop lyrics.

    The latest one is about the existential philosophy behind People are the Same Everywhere.

    It seems like Morrissey was interested in the ideas of Heidegger during the writing period preceding 2011...

    The blog is easy to read and accessible for anyone - hope you like it

    https://www.popmusicexplained.com/blog/morrissey-people-are-the-same-everywhere
     
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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Popmusicexplained, Sep 18, 2019.

    1. gordyboy9
      gordyboy9
      its certainly about individuality,M will say you are reading too much into it.
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    2. NealCassidy
      NealCassidy
      Just like Hitler then
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    3. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      McCartney - We all know that people are the same whereever you go

      Morrissey - People are the same everywhere
    4. lanterns
      lanterns
      i enjoyed reading about your ideas. i like that you put the lyrics in a wider context, even a philosophical one.
      not sure though, whether we can find morrissey the person and his opinions in the lyrics. i'd rather talk about a lyrical i (could be someone he knows or an invented persona) that finds expression in his words and voice, maybe for the first time in music history. could also be an experiment in trying to give this philosopher a more down-to-earth voice.
      anyway, thanks, your analysis made me think.
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    5. Cornflakes
      Cornflakes
      The idea of Morrissey reading Heidegger is pretty funny.
    6. ThePoliticalRevolution
      ThePoliticalRevolution
      I dunno if Steve's read Heidgegger but he is a very smart boy our Steve. He's read a lot of books in his lifetime. This is why he's my #1 Steve.
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    7. Anonymous Bread
      Anonymous Bread
      Interesting read and if the link between Heidegger and Morrissey are correctly, I don't think we should jump to the conclusion that Morrissey is an enthusiastic supporter of the Nazi party, too. A philosopher's idea's aren't shaped by a political party, more the other way around. Anyway...

      People Are The Same Everywhere is a song I find myself singing from time to time. It's a grower and I would rank it second behind Action Is My Middle Name, The Kid's A Looker being last. A set of songs very much cut from the same cloth as Years of Refusal, mind.
    8. Ketamine Sun
      Ketamine Sun
      Heidegger?

      PATSE, one my favorite songs. Though this subject can come from any true artist that has been isolated and continues to feel isolated. I don’t believe that they need to look to anyone or thing outside of themselves to come to these view points.

      Nice article, but most likely not true.



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    9. Famous when dead
      Famous when dead
      How you got to this conclusion and other potential views may have made for a fuller discussion around existentialism and the song:

      "The most useful literary reference to understand these lyrics would be the German existentialist philosopher Martin Heidegger."

      Interesting read, but the academic in me always wants to see the asserted view measured and tested against others as to strengthen the argument being made.
      I'd, personally, not talk in definitives when discussing completely subjective topics such as meaning.
      You do use 'one interpretation', 'most likely' etc, but the bold text and initial paragraph's statement can then appear at odds with the view that develops.
      A writing voice that acknowledges the potential for alternate views rather than firmly linking one idea to a piece of art will probably always be a more endearing way of getting a point across (I just did it by using 'probably' :) )
      Is Camus pictured for any particular reason?
      Anyway,
      Best of luck,
      Regards,
      FWD.
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    10. DreamingofStew
      DreamingofStew
      A tenuous article. It doesn't quite rise to the level of simplistic.
    11. The Wild Turkey
      The Wild Turkey
      It's a good message from Moz, cause when ya realize that all these folks are the thinkin' and doin' the same anyways, ya might as well go ahead and just do ya own thing.
      These folks are caught up in the same so on and so forth, so what does it matter what they think anyways.
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    12. Harsh Truth
      Harsh Truth
      Among the bottom 10% in terms of quality, this song.
    13. The Wild Turkey
      The Wild Turkey
      Nowadays everything's gotta be percentatized and categorized and scrutinized and scoop-de-boopinized.
      It's to much izin' for me man.
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    14. countthree
      countthree
      Just wondering if the author of this piece is a native english speaker person. But... holy cat! I suspect this is a hook the fish won't bite.
    15. Popmusicexplained
      Popmusicexplained
      Hi again everyone. Thanks so much for all of your comments. I must admit, from a group of fellow dedicated Morrissey followers, I had expected a harsher reception!

      Lanterns - thank you for your thoughts. I will certainly consider more carefully in future where there may be a difference between the singer and a character they might be portraying.

      Anonymous Bread - yes, I didn’t intend to say that because Heidegger was a Nazi, so is Morrissey. But I hope I worded it carefully enough to draw a connection without labouring any point. I’m certainly not sure how I feel about the whole thing myself.

      Famous When Dead - I always enjoy reading your comments. Thanks for taking the time to read my article. I suppose that I think people might be coming to the blog for a definitive point of view, and personally I enjoy writing the most when the author is sure of what they think. But I hope it’s understood that I would never claim to be right above all other interpretations.

      If anyone feels they would like to share the post on Twitter etc, it would be much appreciated. Cheers.
    16. Amy
      Amy
      Why spend so much time analysing such a weak, lyrically abysmal, repetitive song? I'd rather hear some reflections on Speedway or Trouble Loves Me.
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    17. Ketamine Sun
      Ketamine Sun
      Because it’s not.


      :cool:
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    18. Amy
      Amy
      Stunning riposte. Those lyrics are so awful they're practically parody.
      "Scoop me from the group and groups are the same everywhere"? Barrel-scraping shite.
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    19. Ketamine Sun
      Ketamine Sun

      Sorry, you’re wrong again.


      :tiphat:
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