The ethics of vegetarianism

Re: just understand this...

> When you are a real vegetarian, you will not buy leather, or eat
> something wich could benefit the death of animals. There are
> lots of great alternatives. You just need to say no to some
> useless things wich will not make your life better. This atitude
> will not kill you at all, you know? When I see a person wearing
> leather and smiling like a stupid, I think: Oh you...evil thing
> !!!

Hnia was just trying to point out that nearly everything you do can have an ill effect on animals. Are you going to stop going to the movies or riding a bike or eating sugar? I have been a vegetarian for 11 years now and I have found out the hard way that being self-righteous is not the way to get your message out.I know because when I first became a vegetarian, I was so zealous and preachy that I alienated many of my friends and instead of turning them on to vegetarianism, I turned them off to the idea. I agree with you that there are many things that we can do to minimize suffering to animals but it is nearly impossibe to eliminate it. I believe that being a vegetarian is the best way to live. I also believe that the best way to promote vegetarianism is to let people know what positive effects vegetarianism can have on animals, health, and the environment. That way they can make up their minds for themselves. Some people will change, some won't. That has been my experience anyhow.
 
Re: Everyone's a victim baby

> Oh yeah?? Would you also blame people of child abuse that raise
> their kids catholic, bi-lingual or without television??
> HELLOOOO..... Everyone raises their kids in their best belief of
> what they think is good for them. So if you want to look at it
> that drastically - okay, we're all our parent's victims of
> abuse....

No, because Catholasism or bi-linguistics is not denying the child of necessary nutrients, If the authorities see a child who doesn't look well nourished they will take that child away.
 
Re: SHUUUUT UUUUUP!!!

> No, because Catholasism or bi-linguistics is not denying the
> child of necessary nutrients, If the authorities see a child who
> doesn't look well nourished they will take that child away.

Yeah, yeah...blablabla....I got it, it was a joke. I've made my point, you laughed at it, now shut up and stop twisting the knife!
And don't expect me to ever take one of your posts seriously again....
:p HaaaaarrrHaaaaaaaaarrr......
 
Re: just remember this.. everyone..

Take yourself seriously if you wish. I prefer to play the fool and we'll both end up in the same place eventually: about 6 feet under. But I will of had a hell of a lot more fun getting there!!

> Plus, there's nothing wrong with taking yourself seriously,
> "roy". If that IS your real name

> Leo
 
hey Paula..

> Hnia was just trying to point out that nearly everything you do
> can have an ill effect on animals. Are you going to stop going
> to the movies or riding a bike or eating sugar? I have been a
> vegetarian for 11 years now and I have found out the hard way
> that being self-righteous is not the way to get your message
> out.I know because when I first became a vegetarian, I was so
> zealous and preachy that I alienated many of my friends and
> instead of turning them on to vegetarianism, I turned them off
> to the idea. I agree with you that there are many things that we
> can do to minimize suffering to animals but it is nearly
> impossibe to eliminate it. I believe that being a vegetarian is
> the best way to live. I also believe that the best way to
> promote vegetarianism is to let people know what positive
> effects vegetarianism can have on animals, health, and the
> environment. That way they can make up their minds for
> themselves. Some people will change, some won't. That has been
> my experience anyhow.

That was my point indeed. Sometimes it is necessary to fight for what is right, other times, it becomes self-defeating to point fingers at everyone.

hnia
 
Re: just understand this...

We can't eliminate all world suffering, we can only do what we can... that involves actually taking steps to NOT contribute to the suffering. Such as not eating meat, not wearing leather. Just doing something to promote less suffering is all you can possibly do. IF you care.
 
Re: On the contrary!

> DRAT AND DOUBLE DRAT! You're keen brain and ever-so-clever
> lateral thinking approach has exposed my cunning ploy. Curses
> upon you IceNoodle
> *shaking fist whilst plummeting down a bottomless chasm* You'll
> pay for this, I'll get you next
> time....AAAAAaaaaaaarrrrrrrggghhhh!

> T.P.U. xxx

You're nothing but a flaw. see this grammar: "You're keen brain" Ha! You call that correct? I think we have all the evidence we need.

Leo
 
> Right. In fact when you say NO to "meat", your body
> says to you: "Thank you so much for respecting me
> !!!"...

Me and my body rezzpekt each other. Y'know?

Leo
 
Re: To Cinders and others.

> We aren't made as vegetarians, we aren't made as carnivours, we
> are omnivours, our jaw and teeth have features for flesh and
> plant.

> But with each generation the appendix gets smaller, it processes
> chloroform(that's the green stuff in plants), a specialist plant
> eater has a big appendix.

> True we can't digest all of it but even without processing it
> all we extract more energy than is possible from many times the
> plant matter.

> You may notice that all the more intelligent creatures eat
> flesh, Dolphines eat flesh, the higher order of primates eat
> flesh, octopus eat flesh and parrots(proven to be quite
> intelligent) eat small creatures, The more complexed and active
> brains require alot of protien, you have to eat several pounds
> of nuts to get the protien available in a few ounces of meat.

Damn, Dolphins eat flesh? Well, I'm gonna start eating meat now.

Plus, humans are the most intelligent species. After all, why not? We created the nuclear bomb and the other fascinating guns.

Leo
 
Re: just remember this.. everyone..

> Take yourself seriously if you wish. I prefer to play the fool
> and we'll both end up in the same place eventually: about 6 feet
> under. But I will of had a hell of a lot more fun getting
> there!!

you may have noticed "roy"...if that IS your real name...that I am great, and i'm sure our ideas of fun are different. So sucks to you, sirrah

TELEPHONE, TELEPHONE, TELE...

Leo
 
Re: From Cinders to others.

> Damn, Dolphins eat flesh? Well, I'm gonna start eating meat now.

> Plus, humans are the most intelligent species. After all, why
> not? We created the nuclear bomb and the other fascinating guns.

> Leo

Yeah and another thing, if humans are so bloomin' clever, how come we don't understand the concept of gravity? I mean WHY do we have shirts with button down collars????!!!!!!
 
Nothing to do with swollen cats.

> You're nothing but a flaw. see this grammar: "You're keen
> brain" Ha! You call that correct? I think we have all the
> evidence we need.

No, not quite Mr would-be Ellery Queen. I believe it to be standard practice to begin a new sentence with a capital letter. Ha! You won't profit from your mischievous chicanery, you're no more than a common gazumper! What d'you have to say to THAT, so-called IceNoodle?

T.P.U. xxx
 
> Right. In fact when you say NO to "meat", your body
> says to you: "Thank you so much for respecting me
> !!!"...
and when YOU say things like this we say "ooooh quick hit the hippy"
 
> WEll, i've been a vegetarian for all my 14 years, and i'd never
> say i was stuck in a rut, stuck in a rut, stuck in a rut, stuck
> in a rut

> Monty Python aside, i truly doubt what you are saying. I have
> been a veggie all my 14 years since birth, and i am more healthy
> than any of my meat eating friends.

> Leo

all vegetarians are very fat, you say you are healthy but I think you are fat.
 
Re: just remember this.. everyone..

>

> All of us benefit in some way by the death of animals.

> hnia

you are so right but you know what else, we would all benefit in EVERY way from the death of you, you boring spotty-assed old pedophile.
 
Re: hey hnia.....

> That was my point indeed. Sometimes it is necessary to fight for
> what is right, other times, it becomes self-defeating to point
> fingers at everyone.

> hnia

yea but you usually manage it, If your sperm count ever gets high enough I hope your children aren't as intellectually sub-normal as you. Stupid people breed A LOT, so no doubt the school system will be clogged up by your half-wit offspring for years to come.
 
Re: lazy loser piss-face jane

> it's more like i
> love life overall, it's a more poetic and a more romantic notion
> of life..

> -lazy line painter jane

copious vomit profusion of sick as usually from this boring adolescent.
 
Re: Nothing to do with swollen cats.

> No, not quite Mr would-be Ellery Queen. I believe it to be
> standard practice to begin a new sentence with a capital letter.
> Ha! You won't profit from your mischievous chicanery, you're no
> more than a common gazumper! What d'you have to say to THAT,
> so-called IceNoodle?

> T.P.U. xxx

Very well, Billy Gazer. Presumably I must highlight your mistakes EVEN MORE blatantly for you to comprehend. "You're" is a shortened form of "You are" and thus, your sentence reads: "You are keen brain". This sham has already gotten out of hand.

IceNoodle
 
> and when YOU say things like this we say "ooooh quick hit
> the hippy"

Look out! A Fast-moving car!
 
Re: suprised!

> I'm sure they have feelings and even a soul. We are not still
> able to understand how reach is the language betwen animals and
> nature, but when I see my dog, full of love and devotion, and
> when I see a pig, I don't know the difference, cause they both
> deserve to be here. If you enjoy eating a dead body, go on, but
> I don't accept when they say:"This is normal and
> natural". No, this is not normal. And when I person eats
> meat near me I feel sick just to feel that "evil
> aroma". Yes, MEAT IS MURDER.

Very nicely put, for a spaz like you snapneck.
 
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