"Surely how I feel is not nothing?" by Morrissey - statement at true-to-you.net

Re: Surely how I feel is not nothing? MORRISSEY 16 APR 2016

16 April 2013

Surely how I feel is not nothing?

by Morrissey, 15 april 2013
But isn't that his attitude towards his fans?
 

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Yeah I'm with you on this. It is a bit rambly and could do with some paragraphs and a bit of structure but hard to fault it on content (unless ofcourse you disagree with the core concept that Thatch was a monster).
It is opinion, and that is fine, but where are the actual facts?

Morrissey is an odd fellow. Looks sixty-three, is fifty-three, writes like someone who is twenty-three. When you strip away the hubris, and look for facts to back up his contentions about the British state in particular, is it revealed that his statements are in reality fact free bluster. Ask the average bod in the street in the UK, this apparent fascistic police state, and a pound to a pinch of shit most would struggle to tell you the last time they even saw a cop.

Be honest now, and cast your minds back. If you presented that in a college course, let alone a university course, what mark would you get?
 
I'm no expert on leftist thinking but I would imagine that the left is opposed to extravagance of this nature. I think there's an element of the economic right's Queen dying and those in power giving her a Royal send off.

For me it's just another example of an out of touch Government looking after their own at the expence of the rest of us.
Government is always out of touch. It's the nature of the beast.

Watching the procession this morning there were boos and some people turned their backs, as is their right, but as we speak there have been no reports of any arrests. Hardly a police state. Now that might well change later because these things are often hijacked by anarchist groups.

Of course, if the Westboro Baptist Church carries out their threat to picket the funerals of the victims of the Boston bombings there might rightly be disgust amongst decent people. I look forward to Morrissey's statement on that. He seems to have plenty of time on his hands now he is no longer a songwriter.
 
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How many of you whining fuck ups have felt so moved as to post your insightful opinion on the BBC or any other news sites?
your happyand eager to poke a stick at Moz for daring to voice a real opinion on a real issue but the best you can do is hide in your room whinging about paragraphs and desperatley trying to pick holes in an argument you barely comprehend.
if youre a genuine thatcherite lets hear your counter argument, ......................no thought not.
Whilst Morrissey was scribing this, my hometown was being bombed by extremist lunatic(s). That puts things in perspective for me. Thatcher's funeral wasn't even a blip on anyone's radar around here yesterday, including all local media. I'd rather a TTY post re: the situation here in Boston, which is much more relevant and more appreciated.
 
Government is always out of touch. It's the nature of the beast.

Watching the procession this morning there were boos and some people turned their backs, as is their right, but as we speak there have been no reports of any arrests. Hardly a police state. Now that might well change later because these things are often hijacked by anarchist groups.

Of course, if the Westboro Baptist Church carries out their threat to picket the funerals of the victims of the Boston bombings there might rightly be disgust amongst decent people. I look forward to Morrissey's statement on that. He seems to have plenty of time on his hands now he is no longer a songwriter.

In fairness this is the sort of innopropriate comparison that Morrissey would come out with :lbf:

All that's missing is some mention of animal suffering.

Either way, his point isn't really about Thatcher, more about the press' and media coverage and despite him over egging it as usual I can't really fault what he's saying, we do have a media which airbrushes out any form of controversy, I don't think we've come that far since the 50's after all.
 
In fairness this is the sort of innopropriate comparison that Morrissey would come out with :lbf:

All that's missing is some mention of animal suffering.

Either way, his point isn't really about Thatcher, more about the press' and media coverage and despite him over egging it as usual I can't really fault what he's saying, we do have a media which airbrushes out any form of controversy, I don't think we've come that far since the 50's after all.
Not really. It depends on whether you think a funeral is a funeral is a funeral, or not.

Morrissey mentions both the Mail and the Guardian in his statement. If you look at the comments section of both papers you see the venom against her in both. Moreso in the Guardian, naturally, and it is bile of the most revolting type.

The BBC have been covering the protesters, including interviews with those opposing her and the cost of the funeral. BBC Radio Five Live, the only national news outlet had covered all opinion ad nauseum since her death. Again, Morrissey is factually, provably wrong to say dissent is being curtailed. What he means is he doesn't think there is enough in his opinion. He could have gone himself, of course, but apparently would prefer others to do it for him then moan about it afterwards.
 
Not really. It depends on whether you think a funeral is a funeral is a funeral, or not.

Morrissey mentions both the Mail and the Guardian in his statement. If you look at the comments section of both papers you see the venom against her in both. Moreso in the Guardian, naturally, and it is bile of the most revolting type.

The BBC have been covering the protesters, including interviews with those opposing her and the cost of the funeral. BBC Radio Five Live, the only national news outlet had covered all opinion ad nauseum since her death. Again, Morrissey is factually, provably wrong to say dissent is being curtailed. What he means is he doesn't think there is enough in his opinion. He could have gone himself, of course, but apparently would prefer others to do it for him then moan about it afterwards.


I seem to be on here a bit much today, anything to avoid printing endless shit off for the taxman!

I watched BBC News for a bit yesterday and it was pretty much all pro Thatch stuff with the occasional soundbite about her being divisive. My problem with their coverage is it wasn't really news at all, just a big Maggie love in. I'm getting a bit pissed with the Beeb in general at the minute, they keep cutting things, their news is becoming almost akin to that on ITV and my bill will still be the same or higher afterwards. That's my bit of ranting for the day.

I don't have a problem with any independent news organisation producing whatever slant they like on things, I don't have to buy their news but I have no option with the BBC and no matter how much they protest they're always slightly biased towards the government, whichever party is in power, much of a muchness I know.

ANYONE else that dies gets a clip on the news, has a couple of documentaries about their life and then gets a clip on the news again about their funeral - including prime ministers. We've been subjected to wall to wall coverage and a multi million pound funeral televised live and paid for by us. Personally, I think it takes the utter piss, if you're a fan then I'm sure you'll disagree, I'm just hoping that other monster Blair isn't afforded the same propaganda when he goes.
 
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Thanks to whomever fixed this post for me. ;)


The sad thing about despising and hating someone for so long is that when they die, you don't feel relief or closure. It's almost worse because you wanted them to suffer and to be on their deathbed confessing every offense and begging for forgiveness. I remember when they put Tim McVeigh (Oklahoma City Bomber) to death and the families of those who died were left feeling empty and gypped. He never said he was sorry or showed remorse of any kind and he never named his accomplices.
Do some research yourself,rather than just relying on the main stream media. Oaklahoma City was an inside job.
 
I agree with everything he has said.
The man is a genius and is only saying what we are all thinking!
She is being treated like royalty and she was so far away from that it's unreal.
Talk about a media orgy, a snap of jeremy clarkson on his way to the funeral earlier, why the hell is he even there?! To make up the numbers?
 
Again we broadly agree.

The BBC found itself in an invidious position. Anyone who knows anything of the organisation knows full well it has a reputation for being leftwing amongst those on the right and a reputation for being rightwing amongst those on the left. It also has a tendency to navel gaze and wring its hands on any contentious subject.
 
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he is absolutely right about the British media deliberately mischaracterising the national mood and as such it's a legitimate opinion and an extremely relevant thing to say, especially since no-one else seems to be daring to make the same points. this is a direct contrast to jonny barleycorn's banal and childish mocking of everything Morrissey says or does: his posts seem to be copy and pasted, and have absolutely no relevance to anyone or anything.
 
I seem to be on here a bit much today, anything to avoid printing endless shit off for the taxman!

I watched BBC News for a bit yesterday and it was pretty much all pro Thatch stuff with the occasional soundbite about her being divisive. My problem with their coverage is it wasn't really news at all, just a big Maggie love in. I'm getting a bit pissed with the Beeb in general at the minute, they keep cutting things, their news is becoming almost akin to that on ITV and my bill will still be the same or higher afterwards. That's my bit of ranting for the day.

I don't have a problem with any independent news organisation producing whatever slant they like on things, I don't have to buy their news but I have no option with the BBC and no matter how much they protest they're always slightly biased towards the government, whichever party is in power, much of a muchness I know.

ANYONE else that dies gets a clip on the news, has a couple of documentaries about their life and then gets a clip on the news again about their funeral - including prime ministers. We've been subjected to wall to wall coverage and a multi million pound funeral televised live and paid for by us. Personally, I think it takes the utter piss, if you're a fan then I'm sure you'll disagree, I'm just hoping that other monster Blair isn't afforded the same propaganda when he goes.
Hey Rowntree, if you think this is bad, you wait till the queen pops her clogs, there will be nothing, but nothing except royal coverage all over the shop. The BBC are particulary obsequious when it comes to the royals. When the time comes there will be no radio or telly in my house till the fawning passes.
 
Hey Rowntree, if you think this is bad, you wait till the queen pops her clogs, there will be nothing, but nothing except royal coverage all over the shop. The BBC are particulary obsequious when it comes to the royals. When the time comes there will be no radio or telly in my house till the fawning passes.
Yes Peter, I remember it well from Diana. My mother in law actually recorded her funeral, it's one of the most bizarre things I've ever seen anyone do. Three VHS tapes of funeral.
 
Whilst the quite astonishing social phenomenon of Ding Dong the witch is dead is ignored by the television news, instead we are shown an eight-minute clip of Psy, a funny little South Korean singer who is making all British newsreaders laugh with his funny little new video. Today, news items from South Korea, Belgium and China get precedence over homeland news of anti-Thatcher protests in Trafalgar Square, and the meaningless banality of Modern Media Britain casts a shameful shadow.
Not saying I'm going to go out and start a Psy website, but I would suggest something like Psy coming out of nowhere to become the top viewed YouTube video of all-time ("Gangnam Style" currently #1 with 1.5 billion views, a distant #2 is Justin Bieber at 849 million) and his new video getting over 100 million views in a few days is more of an 'astonishing social phenomenon' than "Ding Dong the witch is dead".
 
Yes Peter, I remember it well from Diana. My mother in law actually recorded her funeral, it's one of the most bizarre things I've ever seen anyone do. Three VHS tapes of funeral.
One of the spactacles that sickened me during the Diana mourning period (and one which no doubt will reoccur) was that of people sobbing for her. Maybe I'm being unfair, but do we not have enough tragedy and hardship in our own lives without openly weeping over dead rich people who we have never even met? I for one will save my grief for those close by.
 
Everything changed in the last week. The BBC capitulated to pressure, and the Queen trashed the unwritten Constitution. Prior to these 2 explicit events, there were suspicions, now there are facts. Just as there was when "God Save The Queen" and "Relax" were banned.

There's no whinging from Moz here about record companies, celebrities or any of the other guff that's marred his contribution for some time. It's a real return to form. Lots of people were hoping he'd shape up, and he has done.

We do live in a censored State, the BBC and the Coalition have proved it. Thatcher's letter to Hayek shows that the only thing stopping her from more extreme measures was the British Constitution and the BBC: both now lie in ruinous tatters. It's no longer hyperbole or conspracy theory, it's recorded historical fact.

"
February 17, 1982
Thank you for your letter of 5 February. I was very glad that you able to attend the dinner so thoughtfully organized by Walter Salomon. It was not only a great pleasure for me, it was, as always, instructive and rewarding to hear your views on the great issues of our times.
I was aware of the remarkable success of the Chilean economy in reducing the share of Government expenditure substantially over the decade of the 70s. The progression from Allende's Socialism to the free enterprise capitalist economy of the 1980s is a striking example of economic reform from which we can learn many lessons.
However, I am sure you will agree that, in Britain with our democratic institutions and the need for a high degree of consent, some of the measures adopted in Chile are quite unacceptable. Our reform must be in line with our traditions and our Constitution. At times the process may seem painfully slow. But I am certain we shall achieve our reforms in our own way and in our own time. Then they will endure."

http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2011/12/letter-from-margaret-thatcher-to-friedrich-hayek.html

Austerity. "Money's Too Tight To Mention". Some leave us with their dignity and integrity intact for eternity: There is no future in Neoliberal Dreaming, no future, no future...the flowers of the post-war dream are in the dustbin, alongside Thatcher's funeral wreaths..

http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/from-the-archive-blog/2013/apr/17/attlee-funeral-1967-thatcher


"Thatcher funeral: George Osborne sheds a tear at funeral service"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22185596

He'll shed lots more when I take the cane to his arse of his economic policy, where's that stiff upper lip, Georgie boy? Bend over my desk. Take it like a man! You little public school Bullingdon "phag". Don't purse those lips at me, boy...you're turning me on...just another 50 shades of gray gay S&M day here in Mittle-Engerland. *wink*

No, we are not all Thatcherites. Some of us never drank the neo-liberal Kool-Aid. Nakedly vain opportunistic propaganda prat, like a trapped rat, he lashes out, ignoring the IMF instructions to sack pasty faced George Osborne. Pathetic man. I will bring your alabaster statues crashing down...



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/we-are-all-thatcherites-now-david-cameron-leads-tributes-to-margaret-thatcher-and-defends-funeral-costs-8576206.html

"Economics are the method; the object is to change the heart and soul."

#ThatcherReaganNeoliberalEpicFAIL!

More coal on that fire, Maggie?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/Reagan_Thatcher.jpg/300px-Reagan_Thatcher.jpg

"Democracy Is Coming To The U.K" as well as Anarchy, of course! LOL! So, the Police didn't cave in to the Thatcher Memorial Mob.

I have just listened to "I Vow To Thee Maggie- Westminster Abbey Remix" by the Tone Deaf Neoliberal Choir. Enough.

Time for a drive to the very heart of England and to put the torch to my very own Neoliberal Funeral Pyre:

http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/protesters-turn-back-on-coffin?ocid=binganswers

Now, if Morrissey can only translate this address into song, then he's suddenly back in the game. Thatcher trashed economics worldwide, not just in the UK. If he can't produce the songs, he'll just be another ranting person on the Interweb, and I think that job's best left to experts like me...*smirks*

Well done Morrissey! I'm thrilled, surprised and relieved to get "Nowhere, Fast" cranked up without having to pause and wonder if you R 4 Real..."scratch my name on your arm". It's been such a great day!
 
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Morrissey, Thatcher wasn't half the monster you are. All you have done since you crawled out of deserved Mancunian obscurity, is spread judgement, disdain & intolerance for everything and everyone outside of your microscopically narrow viewpoint.
What Thatcher's successors, in both parties, have done to Britain is far far worse than Thatcher could ever manage. They have brought a people and a culture crashing down and ensured it's demise.
 
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Whilst Morrissey was scribing this, my hometown was being bombed by extremist lunatic(s). That puts things in perspective for me. Thatcher's funeral wasn't even a blip on anyone's radar around here yesterday, including all local media. I'd rather a TTY post re: the situation here in Boston, which is much more relevant and more appreciated.
As an American, I understand your anguish and frustration today; however, one of the biggest complaints about Americans is that we tend to presume that our news, our tragedies are the most important events in the world. In addition to the Boston bombings and Thatcher's funeral, there was a massive earthquake on the Pakistan/Iran border, but that received little attention because it happened to "those people" (not my personal sentiment, just an observation of accepted public perception) I am not in any way being insulting, I am just trying to show that it is human nature to respond to the events that affect you most directly, and that is what Morrissey did.

As for those who attacked his style of writing, please remember that this is an outpouring of emotion from a songwriter, not a scholarly journal submission, or a thesis paper, or even a newspaper article (which of course would have been written using grade school vocabulary). When Morrissey ventures into prose or essay writing, he does tend to get wordy, or, as our resident English majors would state, his every utterance seems to be replete with intricate verbiosity; however, that in no way negates his message. This was not the time to worry about sentence structure or punctuation; he is using the stream of consciousness approach to writing, which has been employed by some of the greatest literary figures.

Some say it's not his place to make this commentary; but what is more admirable, sending an unfiltered, heart-felt message or sitting silent? Silence addresses nothing, it changes nothing. I cannot comment on Thatcherism, but I do know the detrimental effects of Reagan politics that continue on long after his departure. One of the worst consequences of that era is the loss of media integrity. It is acceptible to make celebrities out of talentless, mindless, vapid, useless human beings; yet, it is no longer allowable to show the coffins of soldiers who lost their lives in an endless war that we are supposed to pretend doesn't exist. The 1980's forced censorship on the public, and unfortunately, complacency and mass apathy are the result. I admire Morrissey's passion; I pray that he takes these emotions and does what he does best, translates them into concise, yet profoundly impactful song lyrics, not venmous attacks, but thoughtful, heart-felt expressions that inspire us to look for "the glass hidden in the grass."

lynnda
 
Thank you Morrissey. Glad to know that there are at least a few artists in the public eye with the guts to speak out about this hideous revisionism. If you're from the UK and have half a brain you'll know that over the past week we've been living in some Orwellian nightmare, where the media (even those on the Left) have adopted this tone of hushed respect for Thatcher and somehow rewritten her legacy as a feminist icon and deified leader, as if her 'conviction' politics was something to be admired. Well, here's a history lesson, for those who don't know much about her:

Her only act of parliament that remains in place is The Housing Act, where she allowed people to buy their council houses. So far so good for the people in social housing right? Apart from she neglected to put the money back into building more social housing, so now, when the press complain about families living in mansions at the expense of the taxpayer and there are many going homeless because they're on 'a waiting list', it's because she sold off all the council houses.

She closed the coal mines and other industries almost overnight, as a punishment for union strikes, and had no inclination to introduce any more job opportunities to those who found themselves out of work. Men were injured, a couple even killed, by police brutality on the picket lines, some committed suicide, miners and their families had to live on handouts (honest to god food parcels from well-wishers, in the late 20th century). Now those communities still have high rates of unemployment, alcoholism, drug addiction and the generations unable to work, have become generations unwilling to work. Her actions laid waste to The North, in the fashion of William the Conqueror, in order to subjugate dissent. I'm not saying that some industries didn't need to be shut down over time, but her sweeping reforms and stubborn refusal to help the unemployed was nothing short of heinous. Now we import coal to Britain and it's costing a fortune and the biggest irony is, we're sitting on bloody mines of the stuff.

She introduced 'care in the community' by shutting mental institutions and said that services would step in to help the mentally ill. They didn't, because she didn't fund them. Of the people who had hitherto lived in those institutions, many went homeless, some committed murder, some committed suicide. The legacy of this horrific policy still exists today. Not only that, but of the returning soldiers from the Falklands war, more committed suicide than died fighting, so to those who claim Thatcher was a friend of the armed forces, was she hell!

And speaking of the Falklands war, she committed a war crime by firing on The Belgrano as it was retreating. Apparently we're 'not being British' if we hate Thatcher, but what's British about shooting your enemy in the back? They were outside an agreed exclusion zone and the ship was manned by conscripted soldiers, meaning whether those young men wanted to or not, they had to fight for their country. Then she, and the right wing press gloated about it. Horrible!

On a similar subject, she was pally with several dictators, General Zia ul Haq, General Suharto, Saddam Hussein and General Pinochet, the latter remaining her 'friend' long after his crimes had been revealed; she even voiced opposition to his international arrest warrant. In maintaining these friendships she showed contempt for the millions of people that these men suppressed, tortured and murdered. You want to know where places like Libya and Iraq sourced their weapons back then? Thatcher and her arms deals, that's where.

She supported apartheid and branded Nelson Mandella a "grubby little terrorist". That one needs no more explanation.

She voiced her hatred for feminism, calling it a 'poison' and said that single mothers and their children would be 'better off in religious organisations'. Considering how many people have come forward to testify about abuse at the hands of religious organisations, all I can say is thank god that didn't happen.

She introduced Section 28 (which David Cameron apologised for). Basically, schools weren't allowed to talk about homosexuality, meaning homophobic bullying went unchallenged by teachers. She said that "our children think they have an inalienable right to be gay", as if homosexuality was something you could learn, as if it was a choice, not the way you were born. And to pin such an accusation on children, confused and probably scared when coming to terms with such a life changing thing, was vile; what a twisted piece of legislation.

She sealed documents pertinent to the Hillsborough Disaster, in order to protect the police and hide corruption; it took 23 years for the truth to come out and it's still unfolding. The deaths of 96 people were covered up, because Thatcher despised football as a working class game and she supported the same type of police brutality that suppressed our democratic right to peacefully protest. Indeed, during protests police officers would actively stir up trouble, by disguising themselves as civilians and encouraging riots, so that they could literally batter down dissent at Thatcher's behest.

She stood by and allowed Bobby Sands to starve to death. Whatever your view on the rights and wrongs of Sands' protest, her stubborn refusal to engage in dialogue and negotiation resulted in massive recruitment for the IRA, which led to a surge in the Troubles and bombings in England. And what was it that brought about The Good Friday Agreement 17 years later? Oh that's right, dialogue and negotiation.

And speaking of starving, she starved education and healthcare of money, to the point where school resources were pitiful and the NHS was a joke. Labour may have had to tender some of education and the NHS out to the private sector, but having parents who are teachers and working in the NHS myself, I'm proud of most of our schools and hospitals these days, although we never get to hear about the good stuff in the media. It's a cruel slap in the face when you think that Thatcher got to live out the end of her life in the bloody Ritz, whilst on her watch, there were pensioners dying on trolleys in hospital corridors because of a shortage of beds and staff.

Finally, she privatised vast swathes of the country, meaning bus fares, rail fares, gas bills, electricity bills, water bills, stamps and fuel to name a few items, are unaffordable to many.

And so to her economic policies, those that the Conservatives would have you believe saved Britain. Yes, well, successive governments, Tory and Labour, have continued with Thatcher's economics and now, when we have nothing left to trade, because she sold it all abroad, no money in the pot and we have become that Nation of Shopkeepers (or at least shopworkers) that Napoleon described, we can see her economic legacy for what it really is: Sell off anything potentially valuable, live like kings for a few years (or at least allow the South East to do so) and then, when the money runs out, shrug and blame someone else.

She was a Libertarian; she famously said "there is no such thing as society" and proceeded to dismantle it for the next 11 years. Now the press, especially the right wing press, lament the 'me, me, me' generation, but it's Thatcher's bloody fault. She thought nothing of riding roughshod over anyone who stood in her way and encouraged others to do the same, she sought money and power in order to plug it all back into Westminster and big business. She expressed no remorse for the lives lost on her watch, no empathy for the victims of her policies, no interest in any of the UK outside London and no love for anyone but herself; the only time she shed a tear was when her own party booted her out of Number 10 and even her own daughter said she was a poor mother. Indeed, it was telling that her family weren't even in the country when she died and, as Morrissey points out, her son is a convicted criminal and arms dealer, whilst her daughter was booted off the BBC for being racist.

So, thanks again Morrissey for at least trying to be a sensible voice in a country gone mad. However, the Tories and the press will stick with this revisionist agenda; the left wing press are too frightened and downtrodden by the government and the Daily Mail to tell the truth, whilst the right wing press are being typically dictatorial about it all. And as for the government themselves, well, they have to pretend that every word they say about Thatcher is true; they can't admit that the reason they love the woman is because she was callous, because her only concerns were how to fund and maintain power and keep her public subservient. Thatcher spoke like the Queen (using the royal 'we' in her speeches) because she saw herself as all powerful, as ruling over naughty children who disagreed with her and therefore she would crush their dissent like the royalty of old. No wonder the actual Queen didn't like her; she may have turned out for the funeral, but Elizabeth II was not a fan of Maggie, though you'll have to look hard in the press to find that out.

Overall, Margaret Thatcher was a pertinacious sociopath and the fact our government today spent £10million of our taxes burying her, in a remarkably similar manner to the way we honoured Churchill, leaves a bitter taste. However, if any good does come of this, it will be that opinion in the UK moves a bit further to the Left, even if the media and the authorities are trying to restrict our democratic rights in the name of 'respect'. As Thatcher found out to her cost, stamping down so hard on a nation used to freedom won't work; we will rise up and take back what is rightfully ours.

And so rejoice, the lady’s not returning.

Viva Truth! Viva Hate! Viva Morrissey!
 

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