Statement from Morrissey: It isn't nice and you shouldn't do it - TTY, 22 May 2013

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  1. MORRIZSEY

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    It isn't nice and you shouldn't do it - true-to-you.net

    Congratulations to Prince Charles for banning foie gras from all his functions.
    However, unsurprisingly, this most savage and cruel commodity continues to be the favorite "dish" of smiling mother-to-be Kate Muddleton (from whom, in fact, we expect no less.)

    Foie gras production is illegal in the UK, yet the ever-so-correct Fortnum and Mason have found suppliers in France who will keep their shelves stocked - possibly with the hope that smiling Kate will wobble in and place an order for her unborn child.
    Since Fortnum and Mason are now the only department store in London who are associated with the pitiless atrocity of foie gras, would you please write to them/contact them and exert pressure on them to stop selling such a savage beyond belief "product".

    Fortnum and Mason
    181 Piccadilly
    London W1A 1ER, England

    Twitter: @FortnumandMason

    http://www.fortnumandmason.com

    thank you!

    Morrissey
    22 May 2013
     
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    1. Uncleskinny
      Uncleskinny
      Re: Statement from Morrissey: It isn't nice and you shouldn't do it - TTY, 22 May 20

      You're wrong. Most saturated fats are linear carbon chains like C14 myristic, C16 palmitic and C18 Stearic. They peak in crystallinity around C18, and these and the triglycerides of these clog up your arteries. The ones you must be thinking about are mostly the insaturated one like palmitoleic, oleic, and linoleic. These are liquid fatty acids, and as such the triglycerides, like olive oil, tend to be too. These are the ones useful for the brain and nervous system, not the linear saturated ones.

      P.
    2. LazyDyke
      LazyDyke
      Re: Statement from Morrissey: It isn't nice and you shouldn't do it - TTY, 22 May 20

      No. You're wrong. There has never been any credible evidence to support the claim that saturated fat clogs arteries.

      Please. Go to Africa and tell the Masai that all the saturated fat they're eating is clogging their arteries. While you're at it, go to Mongolia and tell the natives that too. Have fun.
    3. Johnny Barleycorn
      Johnny Barleycorn
      Re: Statement from Morrissey: It isn't nice and you shouldn't do it - TTY, 22 May 20

      ... while others tie themselves in knots defending the words of a multi-millionaire.

      For the record I praised this statement. Fois gras is a disgusting trade, and for a change he made his point rather well, excluding his attempts at humour. I did, however, say I understood how the poster who objected to the word might find it unacceptable.

      In future I shall take your advice and verbally insult pregnant women I do not know who do not meet my ideal of feminine beauty, or have married someone I don't care for. Because that is perfectly normal behaviour apparently, and not at all completely mad.
    4. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      Re: Statement from Morrissey: It isn't nice and you shouldn't do it - TTY, 22 May 20

      It may be banned in CA, but apparently some clueless, stupid chefs and restaurant owners are milking the law by offering it "free" with 3-5-7 course expensive meals. In other words, if you spend enough money, you get foie gras as a "gift." Absolutely repulsive. Article link:

      http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/iteam&id=9092775

      Foie gras may have cultural importance in France (with Egyptian roots), but it is just plain cruel and evil. When we now know, through scientific studies, so much more about how animals feel, what they feel, and how they think, how can we justify this treatment? Nature is interconnected, break connections and we see catastrophes and extinctions. Minute, local, large, global - catastrophes and extinctions. These interconnections demand that we no longer turn our fat faces away from animal cruelty. Human evolvement in understanding nature (by now) screams that we are not the only "important" creatures who suffer . Certainly, then, this knowledge trumps a culturally significant, yet evil act? It must, if we are to continue plodding upon this earth, amongst each other. Otherwise, there is no line.

      Also, please don't be fooled by "humane production of foie gras," because, as we all know, anything done for profit, at large scale, and where one has control over another deemed "lesser," will never be humane or right.
    5. hand in glove
      hand in glove
      Re: Statement from Morrissey: It isn't nice and you shouldn't do it - TTY, 22 May 20

      What does the fact that he's a multi-millionaire have anything to do with this? Why point that out?

      And if you really feel that I made that post because I think it's okay to insult pregnant women, well, then apparently you didn't read what I wrote at all. Kate is the insult here...not the word. I was just pointing out that often people can't see the forest for the trees when Morrissey makes a statement. They get hooked on one little thing he says and then forget about the importance as a whole. Yes, it's a disgusting trade - yes!!! But it's also disgusting that Kate supports it, but why should we be shocked? She's quite a disgusting person. That's what he's saying. It has nothing to do with the fact that she wobbles at the moment. Jaysus.
    6. Bluebirds
      Bluebirds
      Re: Statement from Morrissey: It isn't nice and you shouldn't do it - TTY, 22 May 20

      Theres always someone, somewhere etc etc:D
    7. Johnny Barleycorn
      Johnny Barleycorn
      Re: Statement from Morrissey: It isn't nice and you shouldn't do it - TTY, 22 May 20

      While I disagree with her alleged enjoyment of fois gras, I get the feeling you think she's a disgusting person because a pop singer told you.
    8. hand in glove
      hand in glove
      Re: Statement from Morrissey: It isn't nice and you shouldn't do it - TTY, 22 May 20

      Wow...for someone who tries to come off as an intelligent thinker - you're really stupid.
    9. Iona Mink
      Iona Mink
      Re: Statement from Morrissey: It isn't nice and you shouldn't do it - TTY, 22 May 20

      I have to admit, I am a little lost. Besides the foie gras, why is she disgusting again?
    10. hand in glove
      hand in glove
      Re: Statement from Morrissey: It isn't nice and you shouldn't do it - TTY, 22 May 20

      I never said she was disgusting. Read my comment again.
    11. Iona Mink
      Iona Mink
      Re: Statement from Morrissey: It isn't nice and you shouldn't do it - TTY, 22 May 20

      Sorry. Still lost. Because she supports it or in addition to?
    12. Uncleskinny
      Uncleskinny
      Re: Statement from Morrissey: It isn't nice and you shouldn't do it - TTY, 22 May 20

      Wrong again. Do you actually know about differing carbon chain lengths, fat sources, triglycerides etc? I do. I ran a lab testing them. There's a huge problem in Tonga and Fiji because their main source of fat in cooking is coconut oil, which has a high level of saturated C12 to C18 triglycerides. The Tongan royals are spearheading a campaign to cut down its consumption. And while we're at it, what peer-reviewed papers have you read that show your position of "There has never been any credible evidence to support the claim that saturated fat clogs arteries" is true? Do you actually know what you're talking about?

      P.
    13. hand in glove
      hand in glove
      Re: Statement from Morrissey: It isn't nice and you shouldn't do it - TTY, 22 May 20

      If you read the line after that comment, it says, "That's what he's saying."

      - - - Updated - - -

      Let me help you, Iona. See?
    14. Iona Mink
      Iona Mink
      Re: Statement from Morrissey: It isn't nice and you shouldn't do it - TTY, 22 May 20

      Yes I see. It just seems that the highlighted part before it was editorial. I didn't read that into his initial message. Then again, you're probably more astute then I am.
    15. hand in glove
      hand in glove
      Re: Statement from Morrissey: It isn't nice and you shouldn't do it - TTY, 22 May 20

      Again, "why should we be shocked?" goes with the other part of what I think he is trying to say (about why Kate is a disgusting person) Personally, I think anyone who is capable of supporting such cruelty is disgusting. I don't need much more to tell me what kind of person they are. Morrissey or no Morrissey.
    16. Iona Mink
      Iona Mink
      Re: Statement from Morrissey: It isn't nice and you shouldn't do it - TTY, 22 May 20

      The thing for me is why would anyone, you or Morrissey, care enough to give even a moment's pause about Kate Middleton. I guess I have never taken the time to consider and formulate an opinion of her. So I don't consider her disgusting. I am completely indifferent to her.

      Even now with this topic before me, I just don't care.
    17. Girl_Germs
      Girl_Germs
      Re: Statement from Morrissey: It isn't nice and you shouldn't do it - TTY, 22 May 20

      And to think some people willing do this to themselves, at home, sitting on the couch, in front of the TV...

      I'd be more than happy to write to this company. There surely must be a petition around somewhere!
    18. realitybites
      realitybites
      Re: Statement from Morrissey: It isn't nice and you shouldn't do it - TTY, 22 May 20

      As always, your posts stand out like a shiny penny on the ground. :)


      I think you are onto something here. He wants to be LOVED and respected by his chef peers--not just foodie bloggers and TV gazers. By supporting foie gras production, he comes off as supporting chefs' rights/interests. And he so badly wants to fit into that world, be a member in that club. As you know, he was a struggling chef for 25 years in NYC, working at a mediocre bistro, suffering through heroin addiction, until he got his big break with the publication of Kitchen Confidential. His career in the TV world took off from there. And he finally got the attention that he desired. Now he is beloved by many, including the top chefs in the world. But he has seemingly taken on some honorary spokesperson role for the chef causes out there, whether it be foie gras production, eating local, or supporting small farms, etc.

      I do wonder at the end of the day, does he really believe a bite of duck liver--the pleasure derived from it--trumps the pain and suffering these ducks must endure to produce it? It is hard to really believe such an educated person can, I agree.


      This is why I believe the wearing of fur is abominable. Vanity and greed are not sound reasons to justify the suffering of animals raised and killed in the fur industry. Leather, as a byproduct of food production, is different from this, imo.

      I agree that Morrissey SHOULD be vegan. That he is NOT, is a contradiction that is very hard to accept. It weakens his argument and puts a crack in the foundation of his position. If you are gonna do something right, go the extra mile. Go 100 %. The milk/cheese industry is at least as barbaric and cruel as the meat industry. He seems to conveniently gloss over this fact. Much in the same way that Bourdain glosses over the cruelty of foie gras production. They both want to conveniently rationalize their choices.

      Morrissey obviously feels that the pleasure he derives from eating yogurt and cheese trumps the pain of dairy cows who suffer from non-stop pregnancies, infected, painfully swollen pus filled udders, and years of confinement while being hooked up to milking machines so that their milk can be sold to humans rather than be given to their offspring, who are taken from them after birth to be raised for veal--if male--or to become dairy cows like themselves, if female (longest sentence I have written on Solo, btw).
    19. hand in glove
      hand in glove
      Re: Statement from Morrissey: It isn't nice and you shouldn't do it - TTY, 22 May 20

      To be honest, I don't care about Kate Middleton. It bothers me that some people ignore animal cruelty. The only reason she is mentioned in my post is because the discussion was originally about another poster who took offence to the word "wobble" and how Morrissey used it...
      Last edited: May 23, 2013
    20. HandThatRocksTheCradle
      HandThatRocksTheCradle
      Re: Statement from Morrissey: It isn't nice and you shouldn't do it - TTY, 22 May 20

      That's funny!! :lbf:

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