Spiked: "The fire in Morrissey" (December 31, 2022)

The fire in Morrissey now

The fire in Morrissey now

Why the perpetual outsider offends all the right people.

www.spiked-online.com

Hi,being a dinosaur, I can't transfer a article from the Spiked website, if someone can help please. It's a good read.

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Link added and additional note posted by BrummieBoy:

Michael Collins is a writer, journalist and broadcaster. He is the author of The Likes Of Us: A Biography of the White Working Class.

This essay was originally published in Arena HOMME+.

UPDATE Jan. 3:

Link posted on Morrissey Central:

MICHAEL COLLINS. - MESSAGES FROM MORRISSEY - MORRISSEY CENTRAL - MICHAEL COLLINS.

MESSAGES FROM MORRISSEY on MORRISSEY CENTRAL

www.morrisseycentral.com

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[Stephen Hofmann]

"The white blues collectors are not just evil appropriators. They are also people who rescue this culture from oblivion. So there's work that they are doing and should be acknowledged for, but what rights does that give them to this work? These are complicated questions. There's an obsession with controlling things and owning things, and the boundaries—what's appropriation and what's love and what's fandom?—are gray areas, really. There's a difference between loving something and feeling you can own it and control it and define how it's seen."

'White Tears' Is a New Novel About White People Stealing Black Music

Hari Kunzru's 'White Tears' is a brilliant, searing take on the complex issue of cultural appropriation.

www.vice.com

I'm not reading anything by someone that calls fans of black blues "evil appropriators". White people kept the blues alive ffs.

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

I'm not reading anything by someone that calls fans of black blues "evil appropriators". White people kept the blues alive ffs.

Well, that’s what he is saying.

‘The white blues collectors are not just evil appropriators. They are also people who rescue this culture from oblivion.’

Maybe you should read it, since you both, in a way, think alike.

 

[Stephen Hofmann]

Well, that’s what he is saying.

‘The white blues collectors are not just evil appropriators. They are also people who rescue this culture from oblivion.’

Maybe you should read it, since you both, in a way, think alike.

Guilty as charged...only read the first sentence. My bad.

 

[Redacted]

MICHAEL COLLINS. - MESSAGES FROM MORRISSEY - MORRISSEY CENTRAL - MICHAEL COLLINS.

MESSAGES FROM MORRISSEY on MORRISSEY CENTRAL

www.morrisseycentral.com

Nephew on the payroll has given his approval.

That would be a good user name

 

[The Ghost of Eddie Large]

The main contributors to Spiked are more traditionally left-wing eg Brendan O’Neill, Ella Whelan, etc. however their position on ‘culture war’ issues create an illusion that they’re somehow ‘right wing’. But they’re not really, they just position themselves against the current obsessions of the bourgeoisie and lean in support of the concerns of the proletariat - that’s the residual Marxism. The people who rail against Spiked eg George Monbiot are simply bourgeois, that’s why they’re so angered by their views. But their views are likely more in line with the working class than anything The Guardian ever churns out.

 

[Redacted]

Punk & rockabilly come from America & wouldn't have evolved without the Blues, created by Black musicians.

Um, you are forgetting folk music which is from white Europeans/UK that was and is a huge influence on American music. I'm sure it's racist to point that out tho.

 

[gashonthenail]

Yet again you're taking a cultural change (rock music is dying out) and allowing your prejudice to extrapolate from that that immigrants are to blame for this. Has it not occurred to you that rock is dying because it's done? It's over, finito. In essence, the art form has been wrung dry and humans are moving on. This happens to ALL periods of art. It's the very reason rock took over from jazz in the first place. Rock music as a (the?) leading art form lasted more than 50 years. It had a good run.

But yeah, sure. Immigrants ruined it...

Music is born out of culture, community. If you destroy a culture then its music and its artistic expression dies too.
Welcome to the new society. No one is your neighbour. Everyone is out to get you. You´re all alone - with just your fear and anxiety for company. Fill the emptiness by spending/consuming some more.
Is it any wonder there is an epidemic of mental illness in children and adolescents?

 

[gashonthenail]

This article seems to have some interesting things to say but it's in serious need of some editing to help it make more sense: structurally it's all over the map! (No wonder Julie Burchill was praising it to the skies on Twitter...)

Talking of JB...it´s from about a year ago but there is an interesting interview with her on Youtube about the anti-working class snobbery of woke. She mentions Moz (very briefly) at about 19´20´´ in. Why people are surprised that the likes of Moz and Lydon are anti-woke is just bizarre. I would love to see Moz do a proper 30 minute interview of this kind. Just him talking about his life and what he really thinks. His career would probably never survive it though.

 

[BookishBoy]

Talking of JB...it´s from about a year ago but there is an interesting interview with her on Youtube about the anti-working class snobbery of woke. She mentions Moz (very briefly) at about 19´20´´ in. Why people are surprised that the likes of Moz and Lydon are anti-woke is just bizarre. I would love to see Moz do a proper 30 minute interview of this kind. Just him talking about his life and what he really thinks. His career would probably never survive it though.

Thanks for sharing that. I love her laugh, and then that joke at 21.35 minutes: "perhaps she identifies as WH Smith" is a great one!

 

[goinghome]

Music is born out of culture, community. If you destroy a culture then its music and its artistic expression dies too.
Welcome to the new society. No one is your neighbour. Everyone is out to get you. You´re all alone - with just your fear and anxiety for company. Fill the emptiness by spending/consuming some more.
Is it any wonder there is an epidemic of mental illness in children and adolescents?

Along the same lines - https://www.thepostil.com/the-european-musical-shipwreck/

 

[Anonymous]

Music is born out of culture, community. If you destroy a culture then its music and its artistic expression dies too.
Welcome to the new society. No one is your neighbour. Everyone is out to get you. You´re all alone - with just your fear and anxiety for company. Fill the emptiness by spending/consuming some more.
Is it any wonder there is an epidemic of mental illness in children and adolescents?

What total guff. Artistic expression is not dying. It's just moving away from rock music as a medium. No culture destroyed, no new society, no emptiness. Just humankind moving, changing, progressing, evolving. As it has done for millennia, despite the boring ever-present naysaying dullards digging their heels in, trying to stop it all so we can stay as we are, and blaming other people for the world being different from what it was when they were young.

 

[gashonthenail]

What total guff. Artistic expression is not dying. It's just moving away from rock music as a medium. No culture destroyed, no new society, no emptiness. Just humankind moving, changing, progressing, evolving. As it has done for millennia, despite the boring ever-present naysaying dullards digging their heels in, trying to stop it all so we can stay as we are, and blaming other people for the world being different from what it was when they were young.

You say tomayto...
I say ´destruction´, you say ´progress´.

 

[Lucifer Sam]

Artistic expression is not dying. It's just moving away from rock music as a medium. No culture destroyed, no new society, no emptiness. Just humankind moving, changing, progressing, evolving.

Change and evolution aren’t always for the better, though. You wouldn’t say that every year of your life is better than the ones that came before. Or maybe you would, I don’t know.

 

[BookishBoy]

What total guff. Artistic expression is not dying. It's just moving away from rock music as a medium. No culture destroyed, no new society, no emptiness. Just humankind moving, changing, progressing, evolving. As it has done for millennia, despite the boring ever-present naysaying dullards digging their heels in, trying to stop it all so we can stay as we are, and blaming other people for the world being different from what it was when they were young.

I'm a cheerful enough soul, but anyone who claims there's "no emptiness" as we roll into 2023 is either high on something, or...Gwyneth Paltrow.

(Or both?)

 

[oleg]

Black majority countries are absolute garbage. Black majority cities are garbage. Black people never produced a single chemist, physicist or any sciencist of note. J. M. Coetzee is the probably the greatest artist that ever came out of Sub-Saharan Africa. Enough with this black obsession, there is nothing special about them. The only thing these black nationalists have is this annoying popular music talk. Should a black chemist feel endlessly indebted to white people because it was whites who "founded" their scientific field? Should a black science fiction writer feel indebted to white people because this genre was basicalily "founded" by whites? Should a black filmmaker feel indebeted to whites because cinema is basically a western invention? If you love black people so much, go live in a black majority country like Haiti or Liberia.

 

[gashonthenail]

Black majority countries are absolute garbage. Black majority cities are garbage. Black people never produced a single chemist, physicist or any sciencist of note. J. M. Coetzee is the probably the greatest artist that ever came out of Sub-Saharan Africa. Enough with this black obsession, there is nothing special about them. The only thing these black nationalists have is this annoying popular music talk. Should a black chemist feel endlessly indebted to white people because it was whites who "founded" their scientific field? Should a black science fiction writer feel indebted to white people because this genre was basicalily "founded" by whites? Should a black filmmaker feel indebeted to whites because cinema is basically a western invention? If you love black people so much, go live in a black majority country like Haiti or Liberia.

skin colour is not the issue
geography, history, culture of course have an impact
but skin colour? not relevant.
and I for one would like to live in a world where skin colour is as relevant as hair colour or eye colour.