Songs that influenced The Smiths & Morrissey

Discussion in 'Downloads / Bootlegs archive (read-only)' started by Uncleskinny, May 13, 2007.

  1. Uncleskinny

    Uncleskinny It's all good Subscriber

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2000
    Messages:
    17,037
    Location:
    On the moors
    It took a bit of work, but we got there in the end.

    Available here. A whopper at 99mb, but worth it.

    Tracklisting And Notes on Musical And Lyrical Influences

    Most of the legwork on these songs was done by Simon Goddard, most notably in an issue of Record Collector Magazine. Others have been derived from various sources.

    1) Elvis Presley - (Marie's The Name Of) His Latest Flame
    The melody is borrowed for Rusholme Ruffians

    2) The Beatles - Dear Prudence
    Death Of A Disco Dancer has a very similar tune and structure

    3) Hamilton Bohannon - Disco Stomp
    Marr has written that he borrowed the rhythm of this for How Soon Is Now

    4) Victoria Wood - Fourteen Again
    Rusholme Ruffians borrows lyrically from this song. It also borrows from another Victoria Wood song - 'Funny How Things Turn Out', which contains the line "My falith in myself is still devout". However, I couldn't find this song to include in this compilation. Can anyone help?

    5) James Taylor - Handy Man
    Reel Around The Fountain has a similar structure

    6) Sandie Shaw - Heaven Knows I'm Missing Him Now
    The title has obviously been appropriated...

    7) and 8) Marvin Gaye and The Rolling Stones - Hitch Hike
    The opening was borrowed for There Is A Light That Never Goes Out

    9) The Velvet Underground - I Can't Stand It
    Marr has written that the structure and 'feel' of the song as in his mind while writing The Queen Is Dead

    10) Billy Fury - I'll Never Quite Get Over You
    Goddard points out that Last Night I Dreamt That Somebody Loved Me draws on this song

    11) Paul Jones - I've Been A Bad Bad Boy
    Uses the line "I'm not the man you think I am", as heard in Pretty Girls Make Graves

    12) The Rolling Stones - Jumping Jack Flash
    Often cited as an influence on The Queen Is Dead

    13) Patti Smith - Kimberly
    The Hand That Rocks The Cradle has a very similar stucture

    14) David Bowie - Kooks
    Contains the line "If your homework brings you down, then we'll throw it on the fire" - very similar to the line in Sheila Take A Bow

    15) New York Dolls - Lonely Planet Boy
    There Is A Light...draw on this song for inspiration, especially the bits about "..driving in your car"

    16) The Doobie Brothers - Long Train Running
    Drawn on for The Draize Train

    17) T-Rex - Metal Guru
    The inspiration for Panic

    18) Buffalo Springfield - Mr. Soul
    Although few have heard it, Marr admits it is identical in tune and structure to the lost song "A Matter Of Opinion". One of the reasons it was dropped was that Marr thought it was too blatant a steal.

    19) Sparks - Never Turn Your Back On Mother Earth
    Astonishingly similar to Such A Little Thing Makes Such A Big Difference

    20) The Cookies - Only To Other People
    Borrowed wholesale for Girl Least Likely To

    21) T-Rex - Ride A White Swan
    Recycled for Certain People I Know

    22) Jo Jo Gunne - Run Run Run
    Johnny Rogan cites this song as the inspiration for What Difference Does It Make, although it's not easy to spot

    23) Johnny Tillotson - Send Me The Pillow You Dream On
    Lyrically culled for Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others

    24) Reparata - Shoes
    Drawn on for A Rush And A Push And The Land Is Ours

    25) Leonard Cohen - Take This Longing
    Hand in Glove borrows the line "Everything depends upon how near you sleep to me"

    26) Ricky Valance - Tell Laura I Love Her
    Goddard points out that Girlfriend In A Coma draws on this song

    27) Elvis Presley - That's Alright Mama
    Some say How Soon Is Now owes a bit to this song

    28) Joni Mitchell - The Silky Veils Of Ardor
    Seasick Yet Still Docked borrows several lines

    29) Sparks - This Town Ain't Big Enough For The Both Of Us
    William It Was Really Nothing borrows the line "The rain is pouring on the foreign town, the bullets cannot cut you down"

    Heve fun everyone,

    Peter
     
  2. Bluebirds

    Bluebirds Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2006
    Messages:
    4,892
    Location:
    Up where we belong
    Thanks again. You are officially responsible for around 100 songs on my I-pod!! (Slight exagerration but its a fair few!)
     
    • Interesting Interesting x 1
  3. DavidA

    DavidA Junior Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2006
    Messages:
    281
  4. Uncleskinny

    Uncleskinny It's all good Subscriber

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2000
    Messages:
    17,037
    Location:
    On the moors
  5. SNS22

    SNS22 Not Dead Yet

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2006
    Messages:
    10,992
    I'm watching The Beacon Theatre New York (2000) video and just had a thought..

    Doesn't the intro (at least the way they played it that night) sound very similar to the intro for Ouija Board, Ouija Board...

    Also...Subway Train's riff sounds similar to My Love Life (now that would make a great segue if he ever decides to play that gem again)
     
  6. Chartres

    Chartres New Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2006
    Messages:
    5,244
    Location:
    Sverige
    Thanks, just too bad that sendspace is always so busy:(
     
  7. MarrsAttacks

    MarrsAttacks Banned

    Joined:
    May 13, 2007
    Messages:
    47
    "Send me the pillow you dream on" - Dean Martin
    lyrics used in "Some Girls are Bigger than Others"

    let me know if you want me to upload it.

    Good Luck
     
  8. northern devil

    northern devil New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2006
    Messages:
    70
    unc - top work - i'd lost ntybome - sparks and was looking for ages. as for the rest of the songs - makes interesting listening

    and yeah dean martin would be good too!

    :)
     
  9. Uncleskinny

    Uncleskinny It's all good Subscriber

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2000
    Messages:
    17,037
    Location:
    On the moors
    I don't know why folk want Dean Martin, Johnny Tillotson is the version referenced re: The Smiths at every turn.

    The most surprising ones for me were Reparata, Sparks and Joni Mitchell. I just shows what Moz had been listening to.

    Peter
     
  10. northern devil

    northern devil New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2006
    Messages:
    70
    yeah i realise that but you can't never get bored of ol' deano! :p
     
  11. mopeonarope

    mopeonarope Half Man / Half Badger

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2007
    Messages:
    86
    Location:
    South Coast UK Brighton
    Wow thank you so much Mr Skinny you're the man..downloading now + have a bit of time to go throught them - interesting bag indeed
     
  12. Bluebirds

    Bluebirds Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2006
    Messages:
    4,892
    Location:
    Up where we belong
    You are now even immortalised on my I-pod as the folder is called Unc Ski (as in Normski but without the Janet Street Porter connotations!)
     
  13. Anin (or at least i was)

    Anin (or at least i was) Member

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2006
    Messages:
    547
    many, many, many thanks.
     
  14. MarrsAttacks

    MarrsAttacks Banned

    Joined:
    May 13, 2007
    Messages:
    47
    I forget where, but Moz mentioned seeing the song preformed on a rerun of the Dean Martin show on one of his early visits to the US. Moz also took photos at Dean Martin's old sound stage at NBC when he did the Tonight Show in '91.

    Joni Mitchell was a huge influence on Prince too, but I never hear it in his music. Was Morrissey's admiration of Joni a new surprise to you? He interviewed her quite some time ago. If you like I can upload the interview.

    Good Luck
     
  15. Cassius

    Cassius New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2007
    Messages:
    9,293
    Thanks, Skinny!
     
  16. mdcconflict

    mdcconflict and its driven me mad

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2007
    Messages:
    37
    Location:
    manchester
    thanx indeed for this monumental posting - downloading now 2b dissected

    and tasted later this morning on my journey 2 work – thank you !
     
  17. MarrsAttacks

    MarrsAttacks Banned

    Joined:
    May 13, 2007
    Messages:
    47
  18. Stitchell

    Stitchell blah blah blah blah...

    Joined:
    May 18, 2006
    Messages:
    1,183
    Great effort Peter!
     
  19. northern devil

    northern devil New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2006
    Messages:
    70
  20. sore_lips

    sore_lips New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2007
    Messages:
    154
    is has to be the best thing posted here.. ever.
    just needed to thank you!

    if anyone has the audio of the interview with joni mitchell.. i´d love to hear it! i´ve been a fan of mitchell way before i got into smiths/morrissey..
     
Loading...

Share This Page